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Offlinemushiemountain
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1st Attempt
    #3253525 - 10/19/04 11:07 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I have been attempting to grow these past weeks and it's been a lot harder than I thought.
1st I tried a cup TEK in which I put 1/2 inch of moist vermiculite on bottom of a 20 oz. cup and then took the mycelium covered cake and crumpled it up into small pieces. I packed the small cake parts on top of the vermiculite until it reached about half-way mark. After this I placed Patio Plus compost over the crumbled cake about 2 inches high from the half-way mark and then put a little more mycelium covered cake parts over the compost and then more compost over that. Then I put a little more moist vermiculite on top and left about 2-3 inches room from the very top of the cup. Afterwards I placed a sandwich baggie over the top and placed the cup in a clear glass vase on the top shelf of my closet. After 2 weeks all I have seen is more mycelium growing from the top and thats it. Don't know what wrong so I thought I would use a better method as I kind of knew that was a shitty TEK.

The attempt I'm trying today is a lot different.
I waited until the jar was completely covered in mycelium and lil pinheads have popped out. I turned the jar upside down and let it slide out onto the lid. The lid and cake was placed in a rubbermaid container with enough room to fit about 5-7 cakes. On the bottom of the terrarium is just 1/2-1 inch of moist vermiculite with some Patio Plus compost sprinkled over it. At the top of the terrarium is a little light that will be on for about half of each day and will be aired out 1-2x a day.
How do you think my new attempt will turn out?


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Re: 1st Attempt [Re: mushiemountain]
    #3253569 - 10/19/04 11:15 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

the verm and soil is in the bottom of your terrarium? that's not good. just put some damp perlite in the bottom.


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Re: 1st Attempt [Re: pshawny]
    #3253720 - 10/19/04 11:44 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Yes it's on the bottom. I heard that using vermiculite on the bottom was fine. Why would it not be? Would it better to place the colonized cakes on the lid and then the lid on the vermiculite (or as suggested perlite), place the colonized cake directly on the perlite (or whatever is used for the bottom layer), or crumble the colonized cakes into small-tiny pieces spread out over the bottom layer? Thank you.


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Re: 1st Attempt [Re: mushiemountain]
    #3253767 - 10/19/04 11:52 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

here is a link. hope that helps a little bit. http://www.shroomery.org/index/par/7990


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Re: 1st Attempt [Re: pshawny]
    #3253776 - 10/19/04 11:54 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I would set the cakes on a square of tinfoil, then you still have the lid and can make some more jars.


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Re: 1st Attempt [Re: pshawny]
    #3254068 - 10/20/04 12:54 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Thank you very much for your help. After more and more reading I think I will just try making a casing in a foil bake tray and then crumbling all the BRF cakes up over the casing, then sealing the tray with foil until 1st signs of mycelium. Then adding a little more casing over the substrate and sealing the tray with foil again, but poking a lil hole on top of the foil to release a little C02 while colonizing. After I see mycelium and pinheads popping out from the casing I'll remove the foil and place in rubbermaid terrarium with the terrarium filled with 1 inch of damp perlite. Sound about right? Which Tek would produce higher yields, this one? or the other one above I mentioned? Thanks again.


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Re: 1st Attempt [Re: mushiemountain]
    #3254113 - 10/20/04 01:05 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

after the first myc pops through, you can patch and throw it in the fruiting chamber. no need to leave the foil, light is needed for the pins.


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Re: 1st Attempt [Re: mushiemountain]
    #3254148 - 10/20/04 01:14 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

either you might want to reread your casing teks, or I have misunderstood you. Don't crumble the cakes over the casing... put a casing layer on bottom (optional) then about 1.5inches of 100% colonized substrate, then about .75 inches of casing mix on top. Incubate util the first signs of myceleum, then patch it for a better pinset.  You will want to take the casing out of the incubator before any pins form, primarily because you will be waiting a very long for them to form, if they form at all without changing the required environmental variables to initiate fruiting.  This will cause overlay and pins will not be able to form at all.  I am sure if you thoroughly study the casing section of the website you will have much more successfull results :smile:  Best of luck!


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Re: 1st Attempt [Re: Innernaut]
    #3254313 - 10/20/04 01:44 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I think you misunderstood what I was saying about the crumbling cakes over casing part. I was basically trying to say what you just told me. Do you guys find more success with the casing TEKs or when you just incubate the jars and then transfer the whole cake into fruiting chamber? Thank you.


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Re: 1st Attempt [Re: mushiemountain]
    #3254340 - 10/20/04 01:50 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

well, a proper casing will produce more mushrooms than cakes. i would just do some cakes to start with, you should be able to get an 1/8th off of each cake. do up some more jars and read up on casing teks while they incubate. or do some cakes and a casing.


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Re: 1st Attempt [Re: pshawny]
    #3254361 - 10/20/04 01:55 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

pshawny said:
well, a proper casing will produce more mushrooms than cakes.  i would just do some cakes to start with, you should be able to get an 1/8th off of each cake.  do up some more jars and read up on casing teks while they incubate.  or do some cakes and a casing.




I agree wholeheartedly with you pshawny. casings definately produce more mushrooms than cakes.

go ahead and try casing, but leave some regular cakes :smile:. I tried casing on my second attempt and i must say, it's not as hard as it seems. just be sure to come here and ask if anything seems funny or hard or if you just need a few questions answered... this place has people with a load of information in their heads.

oh, and good luck with your grow!


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Re: 1st Attempt [Re: ZeroArmy27]
    #3254378 - 10/20/04 02:00 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I don't know... I have 2 casing made with 1 cake each. I'm getting about the same on my double ended cakes. I'll let you know in couple of days when they are dried.

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Re: 1st Attempt [Re: ZeroArmy27]
    #3254380 - 10/20/04 02:00 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I think I will try casing. Thanks for all the info! Cannot wait.


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Re: 1st Attempt [Re: mushiemountain]
    #3254543 - 10/20/04 02:41 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Good luck.

Just one personal thing though... I know I'm sticking to sterile procedures, but....

I feel more vunerable making casing than with cakes. I feel so much more comfortable with cakes, I don't leave myself any doubts about sterility. But with casing... Even taking all the precautions, I keep asking myself if I messed anything up.

Just a personal note, nothing more... but that paranoid feeling is.. well, you decide. Anyways, Good luck!

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Re: 1st Attempt [Re: Sam1912]
    #3257587 - 10/20/04 08:10 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I hope to see nice results! By the way I will be using the PF strain.


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Re: 1st Attempt [Re: mushiemountain]
    #3261551 - 10/21/04 08:00 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Oh I have one more question. When making the casing do I 1st inoculate the jars with the PF strain syringe and then put them over the 1/2 peat moss and 1/2 vermiculite casing? I'm kind of confused on this.


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Re: 1st Attempt [Re: mushiemountain]
    #3261631 - 10/21/04 08:17 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Uhm, you let the jars colonize fully with mycelium before you "birth" the cake and crumble it on a casing layer. Also the crumbled cake should be sandwiched between 2 layers of casing. The bottom should be 1-2 inches and the top should be between half an inch and an inch

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Re: 1st Attempt [Re: recalcitrant]
    #3261713 - 10/21/04 08:34 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Oh thanks. That's what I was thinking. So just inoculate the spores into the jar. Wait until 100% colonized. 1-2 inches of casing on bottom of foil bake tray. Crumbled colonized cake on top of casing. Place 1/2 inch of casing over colonized substrate. Then do what? Put foil over the tray and wait until mycelium grows through up from the top layer of casing?


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Re: 1st Attempt [Re: mushiemountain]
    #3261724 - 10/21/04 08:36 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I don't put foil on the tray, I just put the tray in my terrarium and keep the humidity and temps proper.

Others would have better advice for getting an even flush, because I'm not too sure about patching early myc. development. I just let them grow cuZ I want mush nownow. :smile:


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Re: 1st Attempt [Re: recalcitrant]
    #3262061 - 10/21/04 09:56 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

What exactly is patching? I know I've read it somewhere, but I forgot.


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