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Dunking & Rolling
    #3252768 - 10/19/04 08:02 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Hello here a question from a wannabee growing n00b... :p

I read much about rolling and dunking. I cannot find a good explanation when searching the posts. It says that dunking is rehydrating between two flushes. Rolling I have not got a clue.

So what is Dunking & Rolling and how & why do you do it?

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Re: Dunking & Rolling [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3252790 - 10/19/04 08:06 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Beware my friend. The search Nazi's are always lurking  :smirk:

Try this:  Stop, Dunk and Roll


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Re: Dunking & Rolling [Re: daywalker]
    #3254945 - 10/20/04 05:38 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

LOL! :laugh:

THanks I will check that link out! :wink:

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Re: Dunking & Rolling [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3254987 - 10/20/04 06:35 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Ok I think I got it now. Checked the cultivation faq again did not find real exact description but I have come to this:

Dunking
Soak the cake when the mycelium is developed and is ready to birth. Get the cake out of the jar/glas and soak it in sterilized water for ??? 12-24 hours ???.

You can now place it in the fruiting chamber (FC), or in the fridge or you can roll it before cold chocking or placing in the FC.

Rolling
Rolling the dunked cake in the vermiculite. This improves pinning.

Roll and Dunk can be done before/between every flush.
Have i got it right?

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Re: Dunking & Rolling [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3255001 - 10/20/04 06:53 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

dunk before/after every flush...
kramer only rolls (and sprays) after the first dunk
the  pmp is a great way to fruit your cakes! :thumbup:


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Re: Dunking & Rolling [Re: george castanza]
    #3255020 - 10/20/04 07:05 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

um. yeah, basically.. But this would be more effective for cakes.

Use the jars you have. Open jars then scrape off the top verm layer very gently. Then fill with distilled water and put tinnie ittie bit of h2o2 in there(cap full), then replace the lid on the jar and put it in the fridge overnight at least, but closer to 24 hours if you have the patience.

Then take out the jars and birth the cakes. Roll them in dry verm and give it a good spraying until verm is nice and moist. It's okay if it's a little wet, but don't make it look like if they just ran through a florida rain shower.

Then, all you have to worry about is maintaining your terrarium.

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Re: Dunking & Rolling [Re: Sam1912]
    #3255091 - 10/20/04 08:41 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

it's always easier to get the verm to stick if it's dry and your cakes are wet from a dunk.

you can dunk and cold shock at the same time, i know i do.

good luck! :laugh:


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Re: Dunking & Rolling [Re: ZeroArmy27]
    #3256141 - 10/20/04 03:02 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

"or you can roll it before cold shocking"
NO NO! :wink:


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Re: Dunking & Rolling [Re: hyphae]
    #3256596 - 10/20/04 04:56 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

inoculate > dunk > cold shock > roll > birth

Cold shock must that be freezing or is a night in the fridge (like 5 C ) also ok?


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Re: Dunking & Rolling [Re: george castanza]
    #3256652 - 10/20/04 05:10 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Wow George,

That really was a nice link you gave me! That pmp is really something 4 me to try!

Few things I wonder:
- what are/is "hoses"?
- should i put an aquarium thermometer in it as well?
- now the air stones act as a fan so i dont have to open the box to refresh air?
- Do I have to refresh the water? Or just spray few times a day?
_ If I put the PMP in a dark BOX or a large black plastic bag, I might be able to use the PMP to colonice the jars too? So it will save space too.

Thanks in advance if you or other xperienced fellows would give me any comments and answers!

'g night,

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Re: Dunking & Rolling [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3256660 - 10/20/04 05:12 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

MushroomFriend said:
inoculate > dunk > cold shock > roll > birth

Cold shock must that be freezing or is a night in the fridge (like 5 C ) also ok?



Try:
inoculate>birth>dunk/cold shock>roll :wink: I don't recommend cold shocking below 40F. (4C.) 5C. is fine and actually anything 10F. below incubation will work just fine. GL


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Re: Dunking & Rolling [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3256670 - 10/20/04 05:15 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

-The hoses are just normal aquarium pump hoses
-I'd recommend getting a digital thermometer/hygrometer if you don't have one already
-The bubble wands force the CO2 out of the PMP through the 2 1/2" holes in the top of the lid, So no more fanning.
-The water should stay pretty constant for i would say at least a couple weeks if not longer. And you won't need to spray at all if you get the 95-100% rH that is very very possible.
- I wouldn't use it as an incubator, this high of humidity makes your jars beg for contams. Go with a tub in tub incubator then when it's time to birth make it into a PMP.

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Re: Dunking & Rolling [Re: hyphae]
    #3256745 - 10/20/04 05:27 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

hyphae said:
Quote:

MushroomFriend said:
inoculate > dunk > cold shock > roll > birth

Cold shock must that be freezing or is a night in the fridge (like 5 C ) also ok?



Try:
inoculate>birth>dunk/cold shock>roll :wink: I don't recommend cold shocking below 40F. (4C.) 5C. is fine and actually anything 10F. below incubation will work just fine. GL




Ehm I thought  Dunk them while the cakes are still in the jar, and the lid is of hehe.. And birthing is when i put them out of the jar in the fruiting chamber? Or am I lost now?

Thanks for the shocking answer! :laugh:

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Re: Dunking & Rolling [Re: kraj]
    #3256777 - 10/20/04 05:32 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

kraj said:
-The hoses are just normal aquarium pump hoses
-I'd recommend getting a digital thermometer/hygrometer if you don't have one already
-The bubble wands force the CO2 out of the PMP through the 2 1/2" holes in the top of the lid, So no more fanning.
-The water should stay pretty constant for i would say at least a couple weeks if not longer. And you won't need to spray at all if you get the 95-100% rH that is very very possible.
- I wouldn't use it as an incubator, this high of humidity makes your jars beg for contams. Go with a tub in tub incubator then when it's time to birth make it into a PMP.

GL MF




Lol but I still dont know what "hoses" means. English is not my mother s language.. :p

With thermometer I meant a heating element which is used in aquariums to warm the water. And yes i am planning to get a digital hydro/thermometer.

BUbble wands? Is that water drops @ the inside on the wands, or are there kind of airbublles in the wands of the PMP?

I can incubate in a dry environment and add the water when I start the fruiting process?

Thank you for your answers!

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Re: Dunking & Rolling [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3257147 - 10/20/04 06:46 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

MushroomFriend said:
Quote:

hyphae said:
Quote:

MushroomFriend said:
inoculate > dunk > cold shock > roll > birth

Cold shock must that be freezing or is a night in the fridge (like 5 C ) also ok?



Try:
inoculate>birth>dunk/cold shock>roll :wink: I don't recommend cold shocking below 40F. (4C.) 5C. is fine and actually anything 10F. below incubation will work just fine. GL




Ehm I thought  Dunk them while the cakes are still in the jar, and the lid is of hehe.. And birthing is when i put them out of the jar in the fruiting chamber? Or am I lost now?

Thanks for the shocking answer! :laugh:

MF


When you opened that jar and put water in there that my friend was birthing and baptizing all in one! :wink:


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Re: Dunking & Rolling [Re: hyphae]
    #3257186 - 10/20/04 06:53 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Aaaaaaaalllright Amigo! :laugh: I understood the birthing wrong then I guess! :smile:

Hmz but me is feeling for casing actually! No rolling then! :wink:

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Re: Dunking & Rolling [Re: Sam1912]
    #3284684 - 10/27/04 04:13 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Sam1912 said:
" Then fill with distilled water and put tinnie ittie bit of h2o2 in there(cap full),




Hello Sam,

isnt this a bit overdone, AND distilled water AND H2O2?
Cant I just boil some water, ad 5% H2O2 and dunk with that?

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Re: Dunking & Rolling [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3286885 - 10/27/04 11:02 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

yeah.. but I suggest you do whatever you makes you feel comfortable. I use straight tap water with capful of H2O2.

You wanna see my dunk tanks?

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Re: Dunking & Rolling [Re: Sam1912]
    #3286977 - 10/27/04 11:18 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I wanna see your dunk tanks!!


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Re: Dunking & Rolling [Re: oddiseus]
    #3287103 - 10/27/04 11:34 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

1 of 4 dunk tanks...(not in use right now)


Needles go into the cake to hold them in place.


Needles are kept in their shields and flame sterilized prior to use.

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