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pc'ing grain twice - any downsides ?
    #3251560 - 10/19/04 02:53 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

hey!

i havent been successfull by simmering my grain for some reasons,
mixing water/grain in the jar and pc'ing gets it right for me every time.

so, if i was to pc the rye once to absorb the water and pc it a second
time since i want to move it to another 'container',
will the 2nd pressure cooking be bad for the grains in any means?

like kill nutes or damage anything essential within it?

peace ohm :mushroom2:

*edit*
the first pc step would only be for half an hour or so and would ONLY
serve the purpose of hydrating the rye, since i simply cannot get it right
when simmering it.


Edited by ohmatic (10/19/04 03:58 PM)


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Re: pc'ing grain twice - any downsides ? [Re: ohmatic]
    #3251644 - 10/19/04 03:11 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Im not sure why you are PCing your rye twice. Only once is needed. It wont hurt the rye but there is no reason for redundant procedures that take up an extra day and lots of $ in energy to run the stove for an unneeded extra 1.5 hours.


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Re: pc'ing grain twice - any downsides ? [Re: derx]
    #3251675 - 10/19/04 03:18 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

the question is if it would be bad for the rye, not why i plan to do it.
also, if u read my post properly, i stated the reason (moving spawn to another container) in the initial post already.
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Re: pc'ing grain twice - any downsides ? [Re: ohmatic]
    #3251705 - 10/19/04 03:27 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

and if you'd read my post i stated it wouldnt hurt it. i just think it's silly to sterilize something, break the sterility and resterlize it. I mean, i really couldn't give a s... less what you do. Just giving you advice.


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Re: pc'ing grain twice - any downsides ? [Re: derx]
    #3252765 - 10/19/04 08:02 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I agree with derx, it wont hurt anything but why not just do it once? If your talking about moving it to ziplock containers or something then sterilizing, why not just put the grain and water into the ziplock (or whatever casing container) and PC it? Would save yourself some time and energy..there has to be a way around that step..you can PC to add water and sterilize all at once and if the second container is when you sterilize it again it can obviously be put in the second container to begin with. Just add the water then.. Not sure I understand the point of the first container, I know its to hydrate them but why cant you hydrate using the second container?


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Re: pc'ing grain twice - any downsides ? [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3253301 - 10/19/04 10:26 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

thanks scatman, that is what i was implying but didn't explain. the first sterilization is pointless if the seal is broken and transfered to a new container.


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Re: pc'ing grain twice - any downsides ? [Re: derx]
    #3254947 - 10/20/04 05:40 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

i understand that the first sterilisation is pointless,
its just for hydration as i mentioned.

the thing is, the second container would be a mycobag.
as i ran into big contam issues using the DIY spawnbags (sadly) im up to trying the commercial
filterpatch bags.

im just a little bit afraid that mixing the water and the grain inside the filterpatchbag and sealing it would blow the whole baby up
when pcing it acutally?

thats what the 2nd container thing was all about.
so, do i have to expect a big bada boom on the seal of the spawnbag or should i be allright mixing the grain/water inside the bag, sealing it and pcing?

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Re: pc'ing grain twice - any downsides ? [Re: ohmatic]
    #3254966 - 10/20/04 05:57 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

If its got a patch it should be fine however your supposed to not seal them either way until after you sterilize them, you just clip them closed. Either way the bag will expand just as much whether you add the water in and PC and hydrate in the bag or add already hydrated (be it simmered or PCed) rye to the bag.

I never had luck with the mycobags though. All of them contamed.


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Re: pc'ing grain twice - any downsides ? [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3255058 - 10/20/04 07:59 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

im using autoclavable bags with filter patch from mycosupply.com  (i think)  I do seal them first before throwing the in PC.  They are fine this way and it works wonders.  No contams.  as for rye using these bags.  I just bring a pot to boil.  add the rye into the pot, lower the heat so its just a simmer.  Cook for exactly 45 minutes, strain, run tons of water through while in strainer, scoop rye into bag, seal, PC, wait, inoculate, tons of mycelium :smile:


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Re: pc'ing grain twice - any downsides ? [Re: derx]
    #3255078 - 10/20/04 08:24 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

well i know about that, but as i mentioned simmering somehow doesnt work
too good for me :/
whereas the 'pc grain with water' method works every time.
peace ohm :mushroom


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Edited by ohmatic (10/20/04 08:29 AM)


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