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OfflinePhred
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Why you MUST vote
    #3251335 - 10/19/04 01:53 PM (13 years, 18 hours ago)

The political ignorance of the average American voter is more vast than most of us posting here can imagine. See http://www.townhall.com/columnists/calthomas/ct20041018.shtml for just how ridiculous the situation really is. It's an eye-opening article, for sure.

Because of the fact that a huge number of the votes this election will be cast by people without a clue, it is critical that those who are even partially informed about the issues vote in order to counterbalance the essentially random votes of these clueless ones.

I urge all Americans who frequent this forum to vote. My preference would be that you vote for Badnarik, but I'd rather see each and every one of you vote -- even if it's *gag* for Kerry -- than to let the next leader of the US be chosen by those who are unaware that Congress passed and Bush signed into law a prescription drug benefit plan, or who think increases in domestic spending have not contributed significantly to the federal deficit, or who believe there was a net loss of jobs in the US in 2004.

There is no way to stop people that ignorant from voting -- all you can do is attempt to get as many informed voters to actually vote as you possibly can. Though I heartily disagree with the political positions of the majority of Americans posting in this forum, there is no denying that most of y'all are much better informed on the issues than probably three quarters or more of the rest of the people voting this year.

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Re: Why you MUST vote [Re: Phred]
    #3251404 - 10/19/04 02:13 PM (13 years, 18 hours ago)

Yes, get off your lazy, stoned asses and vote.

Don't give me this "I'm not voting 'cause I disagree with Bush and Kerry" bullshit, there are plenty of third party candidates out there.

Get to the polling station and vote.


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Re: Why you MUST vote [Re: Phred]
    #3251444 - 10/19/04 02:26 PM (13 years, 17 hours ago)

Even if you wake up election day and are still somewhat undecided (as I probably will be), go out and vote. If you don't vote, you lose all rights to bitch about the next four years.


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Re: Why you MUST vote [Re: Phred]
    #3251458 - 10/19/04 02:29 PM (13 years, 17 hours ago)

You'd be amazed how many of my friends and family members that are a bit upset because i'm voting third party, it's kinda funny....and sad.


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Re: Why you MUST vote [Re: Gijith]
    #3251497 - 10/19/04 02:39 PM (13 years, 17 hours ago)

Gijith, I just watched your new sig and all I can say is you had damn well better be female.

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Re: Why you MUST vote [Re: Phred]
    #3251504 - 10/19/04 02:41 PM (13 years, 17 hours ago)

....Not that there's anything wrong with it being a dude.... :smirk:


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Re: Why you MUST vote [Re: Gijith]
    #3251537 - 10/19/04 02:47 PM (13 years, 17 hours ago)

Quote:

Gijith said:
Even if you wake up election day and are still somewhat undecided (as I probably will be), go out and vote. If you don't vote, you lose all rights to bitch about the next four years.




as if theres even anything left to bitch about now..given the inevitability of a bush win...


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Re: Why you MUST vote [Re: Phred]
    #3251554 - 10/19/04 02:51 PM (13 years, 17 hours ago)

If you don't know who or why you're voting, then please don't. That's my opinion.


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Re: Why you MUST vote [Re: unbeliever]
    #3251567 - 10/19/04 02:54 PM (13 years, 17 hours ago)

If you don't yet know who to vote for, vote Badnarik. Why? He's the only presidential candidate dedicated to the repeal of the drug prohibition laws in the US and finally putting an end to the WoD.

Legal shrooms, people.

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Re: Why you MUST vote [Re: Phred]
    #3251577 - 10/19/04 02:56 PM (13 years, 17 hours ago)

Quote:

pinksharkmark said:
If you don't yet know who to vote for, vote Badnarik. Why? He's the only presidential candidate dedicated to the repeal of the drug prohibition laws in the US and finally putting an end to the WoD.

Legal shrooms, people.

pinky




Wrong. Single issue voting is almost as bad as voting without a clue. Not quite, but close. I recommend trying as best as possible to do as much research on the candidates who might interest you. If you find one you think you like, one who supports the same basic principles that you do.. vote for them. Don't get caught up in political histrionics.


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Re: Why you MUST vote [Re: Phred]
    #3251590 - 10/19/04 02:58 PM (13 years, 17 hours ago)

:smirk:

I blame the admins. The original version wasn't nearly as gay (or at least the gay elements were balanced out with straight ones). But it was also a few megs. Cutting it to 64k was a bitch.

But yeah, now that I look at this one... maybe I need some therapy.


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Re: Why you MUST vote [Re: Annapurna1]
    #3251630 - 10/19/04 03:08 PM (13 years, 17 hours ago)

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as if theres even anything left to bitch about now..given the inevitability of a bush win...



Why do you give up so easily? Ever heard of fighting the good fight?


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Re: Why you MUST vote [Re: unbeliever]
    #3251665 - 10/19/04 03:16 PM (13 years, 17 hours ago)

unbeliever writes:

Single issue voting is almost as bad as voting without a clue. Not quite, but close.

Of course. There are many other great reasons to vote for Badnarik as well, and no downside to voting for him, but if someone isn't voting cuz they don't know who to vote for or why, he's the closest to being an all upside, no downside candidate on the slate.

My point is that very few of the posters in this forum are anywhere near as ignorant of the issues as the majority of American voters. Though they may not be perfectly informed on every single issue, they sure beat the majority of those who will vote this year.

Anyone who has spent a month reading the posts in this forum regularly is probably better informed than 90% of those who will vote. As I said before, I disagree with many of the conclusions a lot of y'all somehow manage to come up with from reading that information, and some folks here who consume a steady diet of rense.com, Alex Jones, Noam Chomsky, Robert Fisk, Jonathan Pilger, Michael Moore et al will inevitably vote for the worst possible candidate, but at least even the devotees of the barking moonbats do discuss issues rather than merely absorbing a vague sense of them through osmosis, or choosing to vote the Kerry ticket because Edwards has beautiful hair and Kerry knows how to snowboard.

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Re: Why you MUST vote [Re: Phred]
    #3251667 - 10/19/04 03:17 PM (13 years, 17 hours ago)

If there were more than 2 realistic candidates and there were some actual major differences then I can see why you might have a point but as there are 2 choices who are both bankrolled by the major corporations I really dont see how it makes any difference whether the voter is "educated" or not. Puppet shows are for children after all.


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Re: Why you MUST vote [Re: GazzBut]
    #3251679 - 10/19/04 03:19 PM (13 years, 17 hours ago)

So vote for someone other than Kerry or Bush.

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Re: Why you MUST vote [Re: Phred]
    #3251721 - 10/19/04 03:33 PM (13 years, 16 hours ago)

Not a surprise. People are stupid and many seem to vote for a party because "that's the party they have always been".

There should be a test to vote.


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Re: Why you MUST vote [Re: Phred]
    #3251848 - 10/19/04 04:06 PM (13 years, 16 hours ago)

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pinksharkmark said:
unbeliever writes:

Single issue voting is almost as bad as voting without a clue. Not quite, but close.

Of course. There are many other great reasons to vote for Badnarik as well, and no downside to voting for him, but if someone isn't voting cuz they don't know who to vote for or why, he's the closest to being an all upside, no downside candidate on the slate.





In your opinion... However, for people who think that libertarianism is an inherently flawed ideal, voting for Badnarik is not a reflection of an honest vote. There are plenty of othe good 3rd party candidates out there for people who want to think and vote outside the box (read: the duopoly of American politics). That said, I'm still voting for Kerry because I like enough of his ideas and specifically dislike how the incumbant has handled his responsiblity, to the point where I feel it is important to remove the chimp. Even if it means not voting for the candidate I would most like to see win, but realize doesn't have a chance.

Again, IRV, Condorcet or something similar would be a really nice upgrade to the American voting system.


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Re: Why you MUST vote [Re: Phred]
    #3251893 - 10/19/04 04:22 PM (13 years, 16 hours ago)

I detest Bush and am not thrilled with Kerry, but would not vote for Badnarik just to "send a message" even though he is my candidate of choice, as he has ZERO chance of winning.

The whole idea of voting for people (hundreds of issues in one vote - and your candidate is not legally bound to his campaign promises) and NOT issues, makes it clear that we are not even close to a democracy.

This is why people get apathetic and fail to vote. This will be my first election since I voted "against" Nixon.


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Re: Why you MUST vote [Re: Swami]
    #3251916 - 10/19/04 04:29 PM (13 years, 15 hours ago)

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not even close to a democracy.



The US is not, was not, and was never intended to be a democracy.


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Re: Why you MUST vote [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #3251972 - 10/19/04 04:45 PM (13 years, 15 hours ago)

But Bush wants Iraq to be a democracy "just like the US of A".


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