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    #3251062 - 10/19/04 10:24 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Should be getting some soon, anything I should know? I've read around and it seemed and I have heard alot of good things.


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Re: Kratom [Re: gdman]
    #3251067 - 10/19/04 10:26 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Leaf or extract?


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Re: Kratom [Re: Organic]
    #3251071 - 10/19/04 10:27 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Kratom [Re: gdman]
    #3251081 - 10/19/04 10:32 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

You won't regret that you bought it.


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Re: Kratom [Re: gdman]
    #3251083 - 10/19/04 10:32 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

grind it up real real fine. the leaf seems to take a loooong time to fully break down in your body. if its lasting too long, eat something fibrous to help push the plant material through you. 8g of leaf sometimes lasted all day when taken in the morning, and I would wake up high the next morning and throughout most of the day until I had a heavy meal.

good stuff though, I hope you enjoy :smile:


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Re: Kratom [Re: Organic]
    #3251091 - 10/19/04 10:36 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

:grin: thank you


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Re: Kratom [Re: gdman]
    #3251131 - 10/19/04 10:52 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

i got 4ozs yesterday and tried it for the first time.i ground up 5 grams at first and poured the powder in the middle of a peanut butter sandwich and ate it ate 3:30 yesterday.at the 1 hour mark i could tell i was speeding quiet nicely.i then took 3 more grams and boiled the leaves for 45minutes and drank the bitter juice'blaah'.at the 3 hour mark i started slowing down and getting the feeling i was gonna puke.i jumped up and poped a dramimine.i set still for another hour and the bad feeling passed.today i feel hungover bigtime and i'm still real tired.i have a strong urge to do more 2nite but i know i don't need to.i have mixed feelings about this plant,kind of like the physical effects of kratom.expect mixed feelings.


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Re: Kratom [Re: gdman]
    #3251357 - 10/19/04 12:00 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Dont do too much.
Too much for me ended up being 2 tablespoons.
I felt like I was having an opium overdose, mixed with meth.
Not fun at all.
On the otherhand, a little under 1 tablespoon full is just right for me and feels great.
I just eat it with some warm peppermint tea.
So much easier than any extractions or teas, and works just as well IMO.


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Re: Kratom [Re: quarkyquasar]
    #3253231 - 10/19/04 08:13 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

I'm thinking of either buying the dried kratom leaf or the wild lettuce resin extract. Which would you say is better and how do they differ?


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Re: Kratom [Re: mushiemountain]
    #3253499 - 10/19/04 09:03 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Kratom all the way.
It is a powerful drug for sure...
They dont compare at all IMO....its like taking a asprin compared to oxycotin.


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Re: Kratom [Re: quarkyquasar]
    #3253533 - 10/19/04 09:08 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

How do they differ though in effects and duration?


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Re: Kratom [Re: mushiemountain]
    #3255408 - 10/20/04 09:31 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Wild lettuce=Short lived almost placebo high. About 30 min.

Kratom=Long lasting, euphoric and energetic ally. Can last over a day but you can dose it to last as little as 3 hours.


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Re: Kratom [Re: Organic]
    #3256387 - 10/20/04 01:57 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

I wouldn't call kratom long lasting, it's rather short lasting, at least for me. My friends feel the same way.


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Re: Kratom [Re: gdman]
    #3256406 - 10/20/04 02:04 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

mushiemountain : wild lettuce sucks.. kratom is the real deal.

gd, where did ya get this from? and do ya have any opioid tolerance right now?
you'll have a good time with it, im sure. it's good stuff.


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Re: Kratom [Re: Locus]
    #3257000 - 10/20/04 04:15 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Kratom [Re: Locus]
    #3257003 - 10/20/04 04:16 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

no opiate tolearnce (right now anyway)


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Re: Kratom [Re: gdman]
    #3257354 - 10/20/04 05:26 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

ah, cool man. i usually buy from there also. yeah, so you'll probably be able to feel it at around 2-5 grams. i, myself, would go for about 5-8 grams or so with no tolerance. but it could vary.. more or less.. so it depends..


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Re: Kratom [Re: Locus]
    #3257379 - 10/20/04 05:29 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

cool, how do you useually prep it? just make a tea?


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Re: Kratom [Re: Locus]
    #3257389 - 10/20/04 05:31 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

I also got some Kanna and a few other things, dabble around see what I like.


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Re: Kratom [Re: gdman]
    #3257424 - 10/20/04 05:38 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Hey All,
I am also getting my Kratom in a few days. My question is:

I have heard that low doses of Kratom tend to produce stimulant effects, while the effects of higher doses can be compared to those of opiates.
As one takes equal to or over the dosage point where the euphoric / opiate effects become apparent (vs. just the stimulant effects), do the stimulant effects persist/become stronger? In other words if someone takes a strong enough dose will they feel more opiated than stimulated, or simultaneously opiated and quite strongly stimulated?

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Re: Kratom [Re: Young_but_cool]
    #3257491 - 10/20/04 05:53 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Thats weird. All of my friends reported total effects lasting for over 24 hours. We had 6-8g of leaf a piece that time. With 2g or so it would last 4 hours max but the more plant material usually made for a longer experience.


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Re: Kratom [Re: gdman]
    #3257560 - 10/20/04 06:05 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

yeah, I usally just make a tea. next time buy the already powdered kind though, it's a lot easier that way. i just make a tea and keep it on low or medium anywhere from 15 mins to a half hour. sometimes i do it twice or thrice to ensure that i get the most out of it. but it isn't necessary to do that much.


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Re: Kratom [Re: DadeMurphy]
    #3257575 - 10/20/04 06:08 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

i think it feels more like it switches over to more opiated in higher doses, cus you can even nod off if you dose pretty high. or maybe it's just more dominant so you dont really notice the stimulant effects as much.


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Re: Kratom [Re: Locus]
    #3257607 - 10/20/04 06:15 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

once it has saturated the 'stimulating' receptors, it seems to move to the mu pleasure receptors


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Re: Kratom [Re: Organic]
    #3257632 - 10/20/04 06:19 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

right but, like locus tried to answer, does the stimulant effect persist underneath/simultaneous to that "mu receptor" effect, or is it overpowered by the "mu" effect?


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Re: Kratom [Re: DadeMurphy]
    #3257687 - 10/20/04 06:28 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

its there, but the sedated feeling is definetly overpowering in a "what will make me feel better, sitting here or doing something" sort of way... hmm does that make sense?


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Re: Kratom [Re: gdman]
    #3257703 - 10/20/04 06:32 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

I'm probably gonna buy an ounce of the Dried Kratom Leaf and some Powdered Kanna. Let me know how the Kanna goes and if it's worth the money. How do you guys usually take Kanna (snuffing, smoking, orally)? I think I might just smoke it, but I am not sure how much I should smoke to reach effects. How many doses for a 1st time user of Kratom last me out of an ounce of the dried leaf?

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Re: Kratom [Re: mushiemountain]
    #3257728 - 10/20/04 06:40 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

I think it might be the best to chew it, but neevr tried it so...


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Re: Kratom [Re: mushiemountain]
    #3257737 - 10/20/04 06:42 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

kanna has never worked for me, don't know why. other people seem to like it though.

an ounce of leaf will last i dunno.. 4-7 times if you're not tolerant each time. i mean that all depends though. just buy it and see. small doses vs large ones will make the difference. and if you're an avid and frequent user your tolerance will go right up and you'll be using a lot more than you began with.


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Re: Kratom [Re: Locus]
    #3257746 - 10/20/04 06:44 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

how long does the tolerance last? I heard it builds fast but it subsides fast too.


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Re: Kratom [Re: gdman]
    #3257766 - 10/20/04 06:49 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

oh yeah, it is like that. it doesn't last very long. give it a few days, or a week or so and itd go way down.


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Re: Kratom [Re: Organic]
    #3257797 - 10/20/04 06:55 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, makes sense to me. Thanks Man.


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Re: Kratom [Re: DadeMurphy]
    #3258761 - 10/20/04 11:23 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

I'm going to be ordering this stuff, but for my friend (and I). It's going to be shipped to his house, but he's not 18 yet. If he signed as stating he's 18 years of age is it really going to matter or not? How would they know?


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Re: Kratom [Re: mushiemountain]
    #3259216 - 10/21/04 02:32 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

if your friend is not 18, you are supposed to be.. so why not ship it to you? and they will check. they always do.


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Re: Kratom [Re: Locus]
    #3260267 - 10/21/04 11:44 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

^^ How are "they" going to check?


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Re: Kratom [Re: Stonehenge]
    #3260353 - 10/21/04 12:05 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

oh depends. everything depends. where will they buy it? how will they pay?


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Re: Kratom [Re: mushiemountain]
    #3260446 - 10/21/04 12:38 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

I would not order to your parents house if your under 18? wouldn't they wonder what's in the package? if they found it that could be bad for you and bad for the vendor, there is a reason why they don't sell to people under 18.


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Re: Kratom [Re: gdman]
    #3261612 - 10/21/04 06:14 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Well I was just wondering how they would actually know if your 18 or not.


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Re: Kratom [Re: mushiemountain]
    #3261788 - 10/21/04 06:49 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Probably not. When I was underage and had access to a check card I ordered quite a bit of stuff I shouldn't have. Never ran into any problems.

But... think of all the trouble you and the vender could get into if your friends parents opened it up.


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Re: Kratom [Re: Bugmenot2]
    #3262128 - 10/21/04 08:11 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Well the reason I am sending to his house is because I still live with my parents and don't want them opening the package. My friend's parents are always at work so they will not recieve the package therefore it wil be going to his house. Hope to enjoy this Kratom and Kanna...and Salvia (is the non-standard 6x extract good?).


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Re: Kratom [Re: mushiemountain]
    #3262164 - 10/21/04 08:19 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

I've been thinking about ordering some...either that or some Lotus.

Ordered some Calea Z. once, enjoyed the subtle effects of taking it while awake...although, taking it before sleep did nothing but cloud my dreams.


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Re: Kratom [Re: Obstacle]
    #3262355 - 10/21/04 08:52 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

that's strange, calea usually works pretty good. you should talk to tomk on the board sometime. but yeah, get some kratom anyway.


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Re: Kratom [Re: gdman]
    #3263828 - 10/22/04 07:02 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Hi, i need a quick answer (PLZZZZZZZ :smile: )
How long does it take to peak on Kratom?
So i can safely drink another cup but i only want to do it
when i know that the effects are still on the onset...

I?m now 30min into in and its really not bad as of yet...

also, does an opiate addiction lessen the effects of Kratom?

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Re: Kratom [Re: UnderTheRose]
    #3264780 - 10/22/04 01:08 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

>>also, does an opiate addiction lessen the effects of Kratom?


This is something i've been wondering too. I highly doubt there's any published info on it, but i've had little time to start a research project like that.


I've seen lots of references to people talking about cross-tolerance. But i'm skeptical. We would need to know if it's first even interacting with opiate receptors. Something i'd like to know very much.


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Re: Kratom [Re: neuro]
    #3267300 - 10/23/04 09:28 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

There is a definate cross tolerance, and yes, mitragynine binds to mu (and delta) opioid receptors.


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Re: Kratom [Re: Young_but_cool]
    #3267667 - 10/23/04 12:12 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

>>mitragynine binds to mu (and delta) opioid receptors.

How do you know this?


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Re: Kratom [Re: neuro]
    #3268532 - 10/23/04 04:22 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Peep some of the research that indicates FAIRLY conclusively that this is what is going on:

http://www.erowid.org/plants/kratom/kratom_journal.shtml

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Re: Kratom [Re: Young_but_cool]
    #3268544 - 10/23/04 04:26 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

To* reaffirm... yes, definitely. there is definite cross tolerance. and it does bind to mu (and delta) opioid receptors.

edit : to*


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Re: Kratom [Re: DadeMurphy]
    #3271040 - 10/24/04 10:29 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not doubting it, i was just wondering if there were some journal articles on the subject.


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Re: Kratom [Re: neuro]
    #3272529 - 10/24/04 06:19 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

:smile: :smile::):):):)


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Re: Kratom [Re: gdman]
    #3272677 - 10/24/04 06:54 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

I think I'm in love :smile:


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Re: Kratom [Re: gdman]
    #3274585 - 10/25/04 08:18 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

So you had some?


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Re: Kratom [Re: Locus]
    #3274694 - 10/25/04 09:04 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

yeah roughly 4 grams (4.2)


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Re: Kratom [Re: gdman]
    #3274706 - 10/25/04 09:08 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

ah, cool :smile:

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Re: Kratom [Re: Locus]
    #3274714 - 10/25/04 09:11 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

listened to some music, relaxed. didn't really feel any "speedieness" felt kind of warm, then I just felt like I was opiated. It was nice.


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Re: Kratom [Re: gdman]
    #3278600 - 10/26/04 08:25 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

nice.

yeah, it's pretty damn good for being legal.


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Re: Kratom [Re: Locus]
    #3279756 - 10/26/04 02:02 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

think adding some lemon juice to the water would make it better? don't see how it could hurt.


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Re: Kratom [Re: neuro]
    #3280334 - 10/26/04 04:21 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Yes there are journal articles published about mytraginine and related alkaloids of kratom, those links I gave are to some.

My kratom from mr.kratom arrived, I tried it last night at 5 grams, and now am trying it at 2.5 grams to test the "stimulant" end of the effects.
5 grams was quite stoning and nice. Felt VERY much like opiates, and lasted about 2.5 hours. On a side note, one of my friends simply felt sick for several hours after taking the exact same dosage.
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Re: Kratom [Re: gdman]
    #3280565 - 10/26/04 05:08 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, I've done that before. Seems like it may help. Try it out yourself next time.


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Re: Kratom [Re: DadeMurphy]
    #3280581 - 10/26/04 05:11 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Your friend probably got sick because that was too big of a dose for him. Have him try a smaller dose and see what happens. Usually anyone who gets sick just takes too large a dose.


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Re: Kratom [Re: DadeMurphy]
    #3281372 - 10/26/04 08:05 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Mr. Kratom seems alright, only problem with them is that they only accept pay pal


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Re: Kratom [Re: gdman]
    #3329581 - 11/07/04 03:20 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

whoa, Reading these posts, I think I overdid my first experience. Last night I tried kratom for the first time having had no past experience or tolerance to opiates; I took roughly FOURTEEN grams, but I found the sensation was now overpowering at all. I mean, there was definitely a tranqulization of my body (crazy stuff for being legal), but at the dose I took, I'm supprised I didn't make myself sick. I drank it as tea Boiled at low heat approx 20 min the way


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    #3332725 - 11/08/04 09:35 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Anyone try smoking this shit?


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    #3332727 - 11/08/04 09:36 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

no but I recomend tea.


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Re: Kratom [Re: gdman]
    #3333484 - 11/08/04 01:34 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I recived my order from mr kratom a little while ago, this stuff seems to be powdered very finely, I just eyed out ~8 grams and mixed it, I'm going to drink it alittle later, after class. What concerns me is that this stuff is supposedily "super primium" and it's very finely ground (like dust) more so ground than other powdered kratom. So my eyeballing might not be entierly accurate...


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Re: Kratom [Re: gdman]
    #3333490 - 11/08/04 01:39 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

anyone ahve expiriance with this stuff, did I just fuck up by mixing it? should I drink half?


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Re: Kratom [Re: gdman]
    #3333494 - 11/08/04 01:42 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

looks like my normal dose in the glass, but it's ground so damm find, all of my privious ground kratom is kind of "chunky".


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Re: Kratom [Re: gdman]
    #3333509 - 11/08/04 01:47 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

just so you know, I'm leaving but I haven't taken it yet :smirk:


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Re: Kratom [Re: gdman]
    #3333733 - 11/08/04 03:36 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

From the powdered kratom I got from mr kratom just eating two big tablespoons of it had me feeling the mitragynine at a pleasant level.


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    #3333749 - 11/08/04 03:41 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

yeah I think I'm alright, just took it. I useuallky take this stuff in the morning, so it's a little change.


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Re: Kratom [Re: gdman]
    #3337613 - 11/09/04 02:25 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I just got some kratom last night and I made a tea by pulverizing 5.5g of the leaves and steeping in hot water for 20, straining, then drinking, then I repeated the process. I experienced only light threshold effects from it though. I'm thinking either I have a tolerance, the kratom was weak, or I screwed something up. cause I thought this would be a decent first time dose. I'd like to hear your opinions on what I should do with my remaining 9 grams, I was planning on just putting it in gel capsules.


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I always just drink the plant matter.


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Re: Kratom [Re: gdman]
    #3346284 - 11/11/04 11:16 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

last night I took 9 grams crushed to powder, swallowed in capsules, and got next to nothing, I'm thinking maybe it was just weak, so I'm gonna try it again from a different source. How was the stuff you got from Mr Kratom, gdman?


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    #3346296 - 11/11/04 11:20 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I'm pretty sure he got it from iamshaman

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    #3346485 - 11/11/04 12:14 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I got it from IAMSHAMAN, I also got soem stuff from Mr. Kratom... both are good, but mr kratom might is slightly better IMHO.


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Re: Kratom [Re: gdman]
    #3348813 - 11/11/04 08:43 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

SO do you get any effect if you smoke it?


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Re: Kratom [Re: michotim002]
    #3348848 - 11/11/04 08:51 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I haven't tried, but that would be alot of material to smoke, just use the tea, the oral route is the safest route, for just about everything.


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Re: Kratom [Re: gdman]
    #3348882 - 11/11/04 08:59 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

whats it suppose to do, i just made a tea with it and drank it


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    #3348903 - 11/11/04 09:06 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

not smart to consume something if you don't know what it does. What if you had hemlock, would you make tea out of that and drink it?


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whats it suppose to do, I feel nothing


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    #3349777 - 11/12/04 12:40 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Kratom [Re: michotim002]
    #3351204 - 11/12/04 11:17 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

>>SO do you get any effect if you smoke it?

Plain leaf, no. Extract (especially the rock candy looking stuff), smells nice and has a nicely mild effect from not much materials.


But as gumby said, it's not too good to just eat anything you don't know 100% what it is, If it was hemlock you'd better hope to get on a ventilator until the poison is metabolized then you'll be fine.


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Re: Kratom [Re: neuro]
    #3352493 - 11/12/04 03:45 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Hey hey. Just got this today. MrKratom Premium. I put a level measured tablespoon in a cup with boiling water. Drank when cooled. Gritty and mildly bitter.

This is becoming nice. Kinda happy and mellow. Not flat like codeine. Mikey likes it! Mikey thinks it'll go nice with da chronic. I think I like my mu receptor sites being tweaked. 8-). Nice. I may take more in a bit.

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Re: Kratom [Re: michotim002]
    #3352626 - 11/12/04 04:11 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

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whats it suppose to do, I feel nothing




Go troll otd this is serious discussion.

So gd you say Tea is the best way. I got about 12 grams of finely powdered kratom here. I cant wait to try it.


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Re: Kratom [Re: GoaM]
    #3352890 - 11/12/04 05:08 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Hmmm. Seemed to have flattened out after an hour and a half. Feeling drowsey and heavy but not euphoric. So I drank another tablespoons worth. I feel the comeup now. We'll see how this goes.


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Re: Kratom [Re: GoaM]
    #3353003 - 11/12/04 05:31 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I just took a walk to the corner store for some peroxide and a 24 ouncer. The effects are PRONOUNCED. This is very good. Opiate-like indeed.

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Re: Kratom [Re: GoaM]
    #3353612 - 11/12/04 09:28 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

That stuff is the shit. One time i tripped on some HBWR seeds. I made a strong as fuck extract with some top quality stuff from maya-ethnobotanicals. I took my last dose of kratom (takes the LSA edge off nicely) right before I came down entirely off of the seeds. Anyways I was at a Moonshine Still bar show on the nod. I mean this was a loud as fuck concert. I was in and out the whole night. I would have these bad ass CEVs and then pass out for a good 15 min. People must have thought that I spiked my mainline in the bathroom or something. Point being; enough kratom is strong as hell.
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Re: Kratom [Re: mr_minds_eye]
    #3356031 - 11/13/04 02:16 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I understand the price to quality relationship but am still a bit confused as to "Mr. Kratom". Any of you guys that have used his product, e.g. the "50 grams: $17.50" deal, what were your conclusions? I'd be interested to know rough dosages with that. From this thread I'm guessing 6-7 grams. There seems to be a notion that the various dosages fall into the categories: 2-3 grams; ~6 grams; 10-14 grams- depending on quality.

Read this, from my Papaver Somniferum forum. I am Thomas/Guest.
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Re: Kratom [Re: gdman]
    #3375203 - 11/17/04 04:30 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

oh man, the more I drink it, the more it makes me gag, there was got to be a better way, I might try to make caps of powder... anyone try this?


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Re: Kratom [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #3375212 - 11/17/04 04:32 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

crayon: when you get it, I use two of those plastic disposable spoons worth of powder.


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Re: Kratom [Re: gdman]
    #3376569 - 11/17/04 09:01 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

hahaha I got to that point too...drinking the sludge is just tooo foul.

There was a post somewhere (maybe in ODD) about someone doing caps and did not find it effective.
I tried the tea without leaving in the plant matter, it didn't work very well at all...Maybe there is a better way, or maybe I need to make the tea better.

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Re: Kratom [Re: DadeMurphy]
    #3377911 - 11/18/04 05:52 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

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hahaha I got to that point too...drinking the sludge is just tooo foul.




ROTFLMAO. No fucking shit. At first it wasn't bad...now.... gaaak. It's nasty gritty shit. I tried capsules. I find one or two 00 capsules of MrKratom powder to be very speedy. Edgy too. The foulness of the powder tea dreck is making it difficult to abuse this one as much as I'd like. :rolleyes:  I enjoy that overflow to the mu receptors thing. 

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Re: Kratom [Re: neuro]
    #3378085 - 11/18/04 06:52 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

It works best with fresh leaves. I recently posted somewhenre here picture sof the leaves and treee. There have been many instances of people selling phony extracts.

First off real leaves have a tea taste to them. A spoonful of sugar does help the medicine go down. First noticible negative effects from drinking and chewing is constipation. I here little of anyone who soes some of these extracts as having constipation.

Real Thom will have the effect of stimuliation of coca and then euphoric effects of opiates. In Thailand it is used b for stamia for long w2orking hours. However, within ina year of steady use, users require twnety to thrity leaves aday. I chewed leaves this summer. made me talk my head off more than I already do and aftter several days I was constipated form chewing two and three leaves a day for about a week before i stopped.

\In Malaysia it is used as a substiture for methadone in heroin withdrawel clinics because it is less addicting than opeiates. In Thailand you can actually get a lo9nger prison term for Kratom than for opium.

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Re: Kratom [Re: mjshroomer]
    #3378319 - 11/18/04 08:05 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

yep, I have umm suffered what you said, kratom going around (at least with certain vendors) seems pretty real... it's more the consisatancy of powdered leaves pluse water that makes it quite difficul to get down without gagging.


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Re: Kratom [Re: mjshroomer]
    #3382224 - 11/18/04 10:57 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah the kratom that is going around is def. real. It's active and I def. had the constipation side effects. Like Gd says, it's going as finely powdered dry leaf...
Mostly it's made into tea, but if you take the sludge (powdered leaves+water) out then the tea is weak, and if you leave it in, it's totally gag worthy.
Maybe a better water extraction can be developed, or an easy route to semi-pure alkaloids? Maybe we should start a whole new thread dedicated to improving kratom ingestion methods.

I should have a kilo of dried mr.kratom stuff to mess with this weekend. So I can try diff methods.


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Re: iboga extraction process relevant? [Re: DadeMurphy]
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Re: Kratom [Re: gdman]
    #3444614 - 12/04/04 03:38 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

ive found the best way to avoid a gag, is get or make a nice thick gewy extract by boiling. then roll it up in a ball once its kooled. take the ball and roll it in flower. then eat the flower ball. all you taste is flower. and it hits you good and hard. this is the way people have been eating this stuff for years and it works great


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Re: Kratom [Re: AhronZombi]
    #3468522 - 12/09/04 12:25 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

hey mrkratom has good shit. in the past ive used iamshaman, but gave this guy a chance since ive heard good. im high right now. very close to heroin


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Re: Kratom [Re: AhronZombi]
    #3468594 - 12/09/04 12:43 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Yes he does...

So, I tried a lower dose of an extract today...about the equiv. of 2.5 - 3g...it was very interesting how the effects changed.

Definately more like a stimulant than an opiate...still similar "pleasant" feeling...but none of the heaviness or lethargy of higher doses, instead a real alertness. It actually helped me (a little) to do my crappy service industry job. I see why field workers in asia use this stuff.
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Re: Kratom [Re: DadeMurphy]
    #3469062 - 12/09/04 05:13 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Indeed. Very addictive psychologically, though.
I found myself drinking the stuff almost every night before my stash ran out.

Now i decided i can't afford such an expensive habit, so i'll only order it for special occasions. Next spring i will get me a mitragyna speciosa plant though :wink:

BTW, did you people feel it's much more active if you're alone?
I've taken up to 10g out with friends and didn't feel that much altered but when i ate that amount alone i got sooo messed up...


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    #3469857 - 12/09/04 10:15 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

i would highly recommend filtering out the powder from the tea using coffee filters. i have drank some nasty shit in my day, but drinking thick kratom tea with all that powder in it was unbearable. filtering out the powder doesn't seem to take that much of the active alkaloids out as long as you let the powder steep in the hot water long enough. don't give up on kratom though, once you figure out a method of preparation/ingestion that works for you, you'll find that it's some pretty great stuff.


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    #3502709 - 12/15/04 07:34 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

mr. kratom received my payment on saturday, and my order was shipped THAT day. to my surprise, i got my kratom on tuesday. was planning to try it out on saturday but couldnt last, started making the tea at 8am. i put a little over a teaspon (~5g) in about some water and boiled for 20 minutes. added two teaspoons of lemon juice. after 20 minutes, o strained the plant matter. i had about a shot or so of total liquid to drink. i got some oj, took a swig, drank the kratom juice, swalled, and finally drank some more oj. the taste of it reminded me of drinking syrian rue and oj together. even thinking of experience makes me want to vomit. i drank this at around 8:40 this morning. the effects at first werent very much. i started to get very warm, and a slight kratom stone took over me. but with that came nausea. nausea to me is the worst thing in the world. no other sickness compares to it. i cant bear nausea. but i do know of something that will help it, and allow me to function. im sure you know by now, it is cannibus. i heated up my vaporizer and took a hit. the vaporizer gives too much of a head stone, and my head was sick as it was, so i turned it off. i put the rest in a bowl and smoked that. i feel a lot fucking better. the nausea is slightly there, but at least i can deal with it now. i have some more kratom boiling down on the stove, but doubt i will injest that today. i think i need to try less next time or maybe im not cut for this stuff. anyways, this is the longest post i have ever written, and i cant believe the free form of thought i have right now. this is nuts.


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    #3583893 - 01/05/05 12:00 PM (19 years, 27 days ago)

Oh man, I thought you were all being pussies about how bad it tastes.  It is pretty rank.  It tastes like the time I ate a shit load of sassafras.  I hope its worth it :smile:


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    #3583904 - 01/05/05 12:07 PM (19 years, 27 days ago)

yeah it's cool, it's not so much the taste, though it sucks, but when I make the tea I don't strain out the leaf bits (waste not want not, eh?).


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Re: Kratom [Re: gdman]
    #3584041 - 01/05/05 12:53 PM (19 years, 27 days ago)

I have a few grams of the resin and I am still confused on what to do with it. I have 12 grams of the premium kratom powder. That will be tea tonight...


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    #3584339 - 01/05/05 02:06 PM (19 years, 27 days ago)

Just drop the resin in some warm water, it should dissolve.


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    #3584444 - 01/05/05 02:28 PM (19 years, 27 days ago)

how much resin? approx how many grams of resin = how many grams of powder leaf


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    #3584522 - 01/05/05 02:46 PM (19 years, 27 days ago)

i think hear the tea pot going


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    #3585623 - 01/05/05 06:39 PM (19 years, 26 days ago)

update.. kratom rocks.  I need to grow this.  Change thought, I am going to grow this :smile:

alright, all I can say is that I feel like I am doped up.  I put three cups of water in my pot, along with two rounded spoonfuls of premium kratom powder along with a little chunk of kratom resin.  I brought it to a boil and then simmered for 45 minutes to an hour.  Then I let it cool, and chugged it down.  Then I put water in my cup and stirred up all the muck that had settled and chugged that too.  Great stuff. 

alright, that took me 15 minutes to type, I am getting the hell off of my computer to enjoy this. 

see you all later.

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Re: Kratom [Re: AhronZombi]
    #3585628 - 01/05/05 06:41 PM (19 years, 26 days ago)

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ive found the best way to avoid a gag, is get or make a nice thick gewy extract by boiling. then roll it up in a ball once its kooled. take the ball and roll it in flower. then eat the flower ball. all you taste is flower. and it hits you good and hard. this is the way people have been eating this stuff for years and it works great




How big is this ball that it boils down to?

Also, how did you avoid burning is while boiling it down. WheneverI boil something down to a solid, it always seems to get burnt.


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    #3585681 - 01/05/05 06:58 PM (19 years, 26 days ago)

I bought a shitload of Kratom a while back after reading about it and finding a good supplier. I found it rather disappointing, yet potent. Nausea definately was a part of my experience but I think that was from overdoing things. My suggestion is to mix 1/2 & 1/2 with green tea and then brew using carrot juice and a bit of honey or whatever you want to sweeten it with. I would describe the feeling as drunkeness without the euphoria, perhaps a bit relaxing. Great if you have hard work to do, that's its original use anyway. About growing it though, gl. Kratom leaves come from a tree (not an herb)that is damn near impossible to grow in most of the US and slow growing to boot. I should note, I still have about 40g left from my original order in a vacuum loc bag next to my coffee awaiting some unknown fate.


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Re: Kratom [Re: HerbanShaman]
    #3585870 - 01/05/05 07:50 PM (19 years, 26 days ago)

I have experienced no nausea yet. I have been getting intense waves of opiate like feelings. There was no period in which it acted like a stimulant. There are occasion hot flashes accompanied by sweats. Also noted, at first I began to feel the onset of gravity as in a salvia experience, but not as strong but ever so present.

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Re: Kratom [Re: Jim]
    #3586969 - 01/05/05 11:31 PM (19 years, 26 days ago)

I was doing so well for a while, untill I decided to have a nother glass.  :puke:

man that shit is disgusting...


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Re: Kratom [Re: Jim]
    #3587044 - 01/06/05 12:03 AM (19 years, 26 days ago)

wow! kratom is an experience. it made me puke, but after i did i got quite the rush (this is approximatly 5 and a half hours after ingesting the first batch, second batch was only 1 spoonful)


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Re: Kratom [Re: Jim]
    #3587648 - 01/06/05 03:36 AM (19 years, 26 days ago)

'Our carefully crafted resin acetate contains about 7 grams of water extracted Kratom leaf in every gram. In theory, 2 grams would produce a mild effect, and 4 grams would produce a strong effect,...'

I bought a gram of this resin, and was curious if its refering to that 2 grams of the resin would produce a mild effect or if two grams of the original extract equiv. would  :confused: ~D


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Re: Kratom [Re: Majestic]
    #3589053 - 01/06/05 01:21 PM (19 years, 26 days ago)

I made tea out of the resin this morning(2 grams resin into 1.5 cup s water), and got extremely mild sensations. The leaf powder is the way to go. Simmer it for as long as you can, last night when I made tea I put three times as much water in it as I wanted and just simmed it off. It was very potent.


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Re: Kratom [Re: Jim]
    #3589537 - 01/06/05 03:55 PM (19 years, 26 days ago)

If you want to make it last, wait a few days between experiences. You can build up a tollerance fairly quickly. Another fact is that it often produces constipation much like opiates do.


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Re: Kratom [Re: Stonehenge]
    #3589547 - 01/06/05 03:57 PM (19 years, 26 days ago)

yes it does, so be aware of that if you want to use it a couple days in a row


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Re: Kratom [Re: gdman]
    #3591331 - 01/06/05 10:31 PM (19 years, 25 days ago)

Here is an interesting link that I came across on Kratom.
The one useful thing in here is a few other names that people call kratom.
http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/bulletin/bulletin_1975-01-01_3_page003.html


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Re: Kratom [Re: Fraggin]
    #3591748 - 01/06/05 11:40 PM (19 years, 25 days ago)

Well I dissolved the 1 gram resin in bout half a cup of cham tea w/honey. Wasn't that bad tasting, like a bitter potent tea. Its been 40 minutes and all Ive experienced is tremendous itching like I have with percs in the past. If this stuff is cold water extracted from 7 grams of dry leaf shouldnt that be plenty for..something? maybe im just anxious/impatient, ill update later =) def going with leaf in the future though. Has anyone ever noticed any loss in quality by purchasing pre-ground product? ~D

3 hours later: Well all in all all i experienced was mild to moderate itching..=\ hopefully no constipation tommorow =P lol 3.50 for an itchy constipated experience, oh well ; ) live and learn ~D


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Re: Kratom [Re: Majestic]
    #3593218 - 01/07/05 10:31 AM (19 years, 25 days ago)

My experience with resin-extract is that it isn't as strong as promised.
I have some 6x extract and I have to take about 6-7 gr(= 36-42 gr) of it to get the same feeling as when I use 15 gr powder.
Another fact: If you make love on kratom it just takes about 2 or 3 times longer as usual. So don't take too much or your wife starts to get worried and thinks you don't find her attractive anymore :wink:


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