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OfflineObstacle
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Re: Kratom [Re: mushiemountain]
    #3262164 - 10/21/04 08:19 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

I've been thinking about ordering some...either that or some Lotus.

Ordered some Calea Z. once, enjoyed the subtle effects of taking it while awake...although, taking it before sleep did nothing but cloud my dreams.

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Re: Kratom [Re: Obstacle]
    #3262355 - 10/21/04 08:52 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

that's strange, calea usually works pretty good. you should talk to tomk on the board sometime. but yeah, get some kratom anyway.


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Re: Kratom [Re: gdman]
    #3263828 - 10/22/04 07:02 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

Hi, i need a quick answer (PLZZZZZZZ :smile: )
How long does it take to peak on Kratom?
So i can safely drink another cup but i only want to do it
when i know that the effects are still on the onset...

I?m now 30min into in and its really not bad as of yet...

also, does an opiate addiction lessen the effects of Kratom?

thx
Rose

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Re: Kratom [Re: UnderTheRose]
    #3264780 - 10/22/04 01:08 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

>>also, does an opiate addiction lessen the effects of Kratom?


This is something i've been wondering too. I highly doubt there's any published info on it, but i've had little time to start a research project like that.


I've seen lots of references to people talking about cross-tolerance. But i'm skeptical. We would need to know if it's first even interacting with opiate receptors. Something i'd like to know very much.

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Re: Kratom [Re: neuro]
    #3267300 - 10/23/04 09:28 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

There is a definate cross tolerance, and yes, mitragynine binds to mu (and delta) opioid receptors.

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Re: Kratom [Re: Young_but_cool]
    #3267667 - 10/23/04 12:12 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

>>mitragynine binds to mu (and delta) opioid receptors.

How do you know this?

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Re: Kratom [Re: neuro]
    #3268532 - 10/23/04 04:22 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

Peep some of the research that indicates FAIRLY conclusively that this is what is going on:

http://www.erowid.org/plants/kratom/kratom_journal.shtml

http://www.mrkratom.com/research.php


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Re: Kratom [Re: Young_but_cool]
    #3268544 - 10/23/04 04:26 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

To* reaffirm... yes, definitely. there is definite cross tolerance. and it does bind to mu (and delta) opioid receptors.

edit : to*


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Re: Kratom [Re: DadeMurphy]
    #3271040 - 10/24/04 10:29 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not doubting it, i was just wondering if there were some journal articles on the subject.

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Re: Kratom [Re: neuro]
    #3272529 - 10/24/04 06:19 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

:smile: :smile::):):):)


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Re: Kratom [Re: gdman]
    #3272677 - 10/24/04 06:54 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

I think I'm in love :smile:


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Re: Kratom [Re: gdman]
    #3274585 - 10/25/04 08:18 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

So you had some?


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Re: Kratom [Re: Locus]
    #3274694 - 10/25/04 09:04 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

yeah roughly 4 grams (4.2)


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Re: Kratom [Re: gdman]
    #3274706 - 10/25/04 09:08 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

ah, cool :smile:

what did ya do while you were on it?


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Re: Kratom [Re: Locus]
    #3274714 - 10/25/04 09:11 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

listened to some music, relaxed. didn't really feel any "speedieness" felt kind of warm, then I just felt like I was opiated. It was nice.


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Re: Kratom [Re: gdman]
    #3278600 - 10/26/04 08:25 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

nice.

yeah, it's pretty damn good for being legal.


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Re: Kratom [Re: Locus]
    #3279756 - 10/26/04 02:02 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

think adding some lemon juice to the water would make it better? don't see how it could hurt.


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Re: Kratom [Re: neuro]
    #3280334 - 10/26/04 04:21 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

Yes there are journal articles published about mytraginine and related alkaloids of kratom, those links I gave are to some.

My kratom from mr.kratom arrived, I tried it last night at 5 grams, and now am trying it at 2.5 grams to test the "stimulant" end of the effects.
5 grams was quite stoning and nice. Felt VERY much like opiates, and lasted about 2.5 hours. On a side note, one of my friends simply felt sick for several hours after taking the exact same dosage.
I would still recommend trying it out!


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Re: Kratom [Re: gdman]
    #3280565 - 10/26/04 05:08 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, I've done that before. Seems like it may help. Try it out yourself next time.


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Re: Kratom [Re: DadeMurphy]
    #3280581 - 10/26/04 05:11 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

Your friend probably got sick because that was too big of a dose for him. Have him try a smaller dose and see what happens. Usually anyone who gets sick just takes too large a dose.


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