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Indoor Cacti Garden Pics...
    #3251048 - 10/19/04 12:18 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Here is a couple pics of my cacti garden.  Currently it's 2 perekeposis and about 5 t. pachanois.  The setup is 88w of CF's on an 18/6 light cycle.  The perekeposis are growing like crazy!



This is a picture of a san pedro I have started in a net pot that will hopefully be sucessful in water culture :smile:



And here is another shot of the perekposis the taller one on the left is about a foot tall.



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Re: Cacti Garden Pics... [Re: socratesmind]
    #3251956 - 10/19/04 04:39 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

very nice indoor cactus garden! =)


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Re: Cacti Garden Pics... [Re: felixhigh]
    #3252042 - 10/19/04 05:06 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Diggin those cacti, man. Sweet setup. How long do you have to wait before you can enjoy the fruits of your labor?

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Re: Indoor Cacti Garden Pics... [Re: socratesmind]
    #3252054 - 10/19/04 05:11 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

whats the deal with "perekeposis?" Google's never heard of it!

proper spelling or link plz


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Re: Indoor Cacti Garden Pics... [Re: recalcitrant]
    #3252091 - 10/19/04 05:19 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Pereskiopsis


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Re: Indoor Cacti Garden Pics... [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #3252262 - 10/19/04 06:07 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

/nod

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While searching I found some very interesting things!


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Re: Indoor Cacti Garden Pics... [Re: recalcitrant]
    #3252542 - 10/19/04 07:08 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Una had a couple very interesting threads a while back on grafting with pereskiopsis. Do a search. Nice garden, socratesmind. It shows what you can do with a little bit of space even if you can't grow outside. I'm interested to see how your hydro cactus project goes. Do you have it rooted yet?


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Re: Indoor Cacti Garden Pics... [Re: socratesmind]
    #3252622 - 10/19/04 07:27 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

i can see wich cactus you favor. :shocked:


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Re: Indoor Cacti Garden Pics... [Re: Psychoslut]
    #3252956 - 10/19/04 08:48 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

i love them all equally :smile: and no stoney they have no began to root.  On the advice of fello shroomerites they may take a month or so.  I was going to wait till i see roots poking out of the netpot.  They were potted in the perlite maybe a week ago. 

A perekesposis (sp?) cutting was taken tonight of the tip of the largest plant.  It has been sitting in rooting hormone for a few hours and will put in a 16oz cup with 50/50 manure/topsoil.  I love how fast these grow.

Soon I will be starting a thread detailing raising cacti from seed with pics :smile:


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Re: Indoor Cacti Garden Pics... [Re: Stonehenge]
    #3254062 - 10/20/04 12:52 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

/drool

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-pereskiopsis has mescaline in it?
-do the peyote plants grafted on to pereskiopsis have the same mescaline content as peyote growing on its own?
-same question only, peyote growing on san pedro?
-can peyote growing on pereskiopsis give seeds that will grow a normal peyote plant?
-where the hell can i get some pereskiopsis!


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Re: Indoor Cacti Garden Pics... [Re: recalcitrant]
    #3254098 - 10/20/04 01:02 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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-pereskiopsis has mescaline in it?




As far as I know this species is not active.

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-do the peyote plants grafted on to pereskiopsis have the same mescaline content as peyote growing on its own?




Some people say yes but you get a tradeoff with accelerated growth. I believe it should probably be about the same if you factor in accelerated growth.

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-same question only, peyote growing on san pedro?




Yup probably so.

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-can peyote growing on pereskiopsis give seeds that will grow a normal peyote plant?




Don't see a reason why not anyone else know about this?

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-where the hell can i get some pereskiopsis!




Bob Smoley has some and there are some members that have some gardens I'm sure. Post in the marketplace and maybe someone will hook ya up?


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- Abraham Lincoln: Speech in the Illinois House of Representatives, Dec 18, 1840.


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Re: Indoor Cacti Garden Pics... [Re: socratesmind]
    #3254168 - 10/20/04 01:17 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Some people say yes but you get a tradeoff with accelerated growth.




I'm not sure I understand you correctly. A tradeoff with accelerated growth?

You mean that a normal, solitary peyote plant that has been growing for (say) 4 months and is tiny will have the same amount of mescaline as a peyote plant that has been grafted on a pereskiopsis and growing for 4 months and is huge?

The mescaline produced by the peyote is based on its age and not its size?


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Re: Indoor Cacti Garden Pics... [Re: recalcitrant]
    #3254197 - 10/20/04 01:21 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Some people speculate that with the accelerated growth you get less alakaloid production but there is no evidence I have found to support this theory.


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Re: Indoor Cacti Garden Pics... [Re: socratesmind]
    #3254282 - 10/20/04 01:39 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

So it was good news not bad news? when you graft peyote on to pereskiopsis the peyote will grow very very fast, and it will likely have just as much mescaline as if it had grown to that size naturally?

I am assuming that it gets nutrients from the soil to produce mescaline. Does this accelerated growth leech those nutrients fast too? what nutrients are those?

Does the pereskiopsis continue to grow in height at the same speed as if it didn't have something grafted on top of it?

I must know more about plants all of a sudden.


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Re: Indoor Cacti Garden Pics... [Re: recalcitrant]
    #3254570 - 10/20/04 02:51 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

From what I've read grafting will signnificantly reduce alkaloid content. Maybe this is just for the weight of the cactus, but one would want to degraft after a couple years and root, to let the alkaloid content catch up for a year or two.


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Re: Indoor Cacti Garden Pics... [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #3258355 - 10/20/04 11:42 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

oen would want to degraft after a couple years and root? The grafting information I've read with Loph on pereskiopsis has huge Lophs after only months. If it was left on for years it would probably get too heavy for the pereskiopsis to support it.

Are you saying that the Lophs grafted on Trichs grows comparatively fast also, but that it should take a couple years to be of a proper size to degraft and plant on its own to develop alkaloids?

Also, I haven't found any info on degrafting, can anyone provide information or links to information about doing this?


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Re: Indoor Cacti Garden Pics... [Re: recalcitrant]
    #3258587 - 10/21/04 12:28 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Indoor Cacti Garden Pics... [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #3258839 - 10/21/04 01:45 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

You grow those pedro year round under flo's? I have a pedro pup and it looks like yours, mad thin, like not even 2". You should seriously consider buying a 400wmh from insidesun.com for $80 and grow much thicker cacti.

You should also think about cloning that tall perekposis, Cut it in half and the bottom root section should grow 1,2 or even 3 tops. Only take 4-7 leaves off the bottom of the clone. About 3/4-1" is all it needs to make roots with. Mist it and throw a misted inside sandwich baggie over it. Place it in the shade for 3 day then slowly begin bringing it back under the light for another 7 days watering daily. 

So far i have 7 perekposis plants with total of 9 tops, just took a cutting today. I water bi-daily with alternating half and full strength 2-7-7 cactus ferts. I also started full strength foliar feeding with the lights off for 1-2 hours durring the day, They seem to love that and i now just got a second pup off one future mom plant. My HBW had more then enough of the foiliar feeding, the leaves are a lush dark green. :laugh:


About peyote grafting, you can make a short perekposis graft using a 3" clone and graft just after rooting. Then later repot and burry the stalk of the perekposis in soil and rocks. This would make an amazing peyote mom or monster and quick. Only thing is they tend to grow a bit mutated from the rapid forced growth, so your better off grafting to pedro or torch stocks for the long run.


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Re: Indoor Cacti Garden Pics... [Re: Gr0wer]
    #3258853 - 10/21/04 01:49 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Now that i look more at your pictures you could cut that big one into 3 cuttings. The red is where to make the cut and the blue is where to cut the leaves off upto and soil level.



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Re: Indoor Cacti Garden Pics... [Re: Gr0wer]
    #3261818 - 10/21/04 08:55 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Gr0wer: nope I am just putting them in there for winter storage.  The nights have been getting cold and I decided to pull em in but when it warms up I leave them in full sun :smile:  Also why should the new cutting be shielded from the flouros?  I put the new cutting about 3 feet from the light setup so it should get some light but not that much.  Here are pics of the new cutting.  Also the soil mix is 50/50 manure/topsoil.  Seemed to work well with my first two cuttings.


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