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InvisibleCJay
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Catholics be warned - do not vote sinfully!
    #3251029 - 10/19/04 12:06 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

The conservative bishops, salivating to overturn Roe v. Wade, prefer an evangelical antiabortion president to one of their own who said in Wednesday's debate: "What is an article of faith for me is not something that I can legislate on somebody who doesn't share that article of faith. I believe that choice ... is between a woman, God and her doctor."

Like Mr. Bush, these patriarchal bishops want to turn back the clock to the 50's. They don't want separation of church and state - except in Iraq.

Some of the bishops - the shepherds of a church whose hierarchy bungled the molestation and rape of so many young boys by tolerating it, covering it up, enabling it, excusing it and paying hush money - are still debating whether John Kerry should be allowed to receive communion.

These bishops are embryo-centric; they are not as concerned with the 1,080 kids killed in a war that the Bush administration launched with lies, or about the lives that could be lost thanks to the president's letting the assault weapons ban lapse, or about all the lives that could be saved and improved with stem cell research.

Mr. Bush derives his immutability from his faith. "I believe that God wants everybody to be free," he said in the last debate, adding that this was "part of my foreign policy."

In today's Times Magazine, Ron Suskind writes that Mr. Bush has created a "faith-based presidency" that has riven the Republican Party.

Bruce Bartlett, a domestic policy adviser to Ronald Reagan and a Treasury official for the first President Bush, told Mr. Suskind that some people now look at Mr. Bush and see "this instinct he's always talking about is this sort of weird, Messianic idea of what he thinks God has told him to do." He continued: "This is why George W. Bush is so clear-eyed about Al Qaeda and the Islamic fundamentalist enemy. He believes you have to kill them all. They can't be persuaded, that they're extremists, driven by a dark vision. He understands them, because he's just like them."

The president's certitude - the idea that he can see into people's souls and that God tells him what is right, then W. tells us if he feels like it - is disturbing. It equates disagreeing with him to disagreeing with Him.

The conservative bishops' certitude - the idea that you can't be a good Catholic if you diverge from certain church-decreed mandates or if you want to keep your religion and politics separate - is also disturbing.

America is awash in selective piety, situational moralists and cherry-picking absolutists

vote and be eternally damnned!


:dumblol: :wtf:

ahahahahahahahahahaha!
Is GWB a good pure Catholic at heart, with a direct line to God?
You may choose only one
yes he is possibly a messiah
no he's a fucking crazy mass murderer


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Re: Catholics be warned - do not vote sinfully! [Re: CJay]
    #3251101 - 10/19/04 12:40 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

i thought gwb wasn't catholic?


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Re: Catholics be warned - do not vote sinfully! [Re: Tao]
    #3251134 - 10/19/04 12:53 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

He isn't. All good Catholics listened to and agreed with the Pope about Iraq (John Kerry didn't).


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Re: Catholics be warned - do not vote sinfully! [Re: CJay]
    #3251180 - 10/19/04 01:07 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

both of the above??...


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Re: Catholics be warned - do not vote sinfully! [Re: Tao]
    #3251197 - 10/19/04 01:11 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

George W is a born again Christian, not even remotely Catholic.


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Re: Catholics be warned - do not vote sinfully! [Re: Phluck]
    #3251465 - 10/19/04 02:32 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

What goes through the minds of these Catholics?
That they're gonna die and float up and meet St Peter and he's gonna be like:

"You've never used any sort of birth control. Good
You put ashes all over your face once a year. Good.
You stayed married to your spouse despite numerous infidelities and nightly domestic abuse. Good.
Hmmm. Voted for John Kerry.... You will now burn for eternity."


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Re: Catholics be warned - do not vote sinfully! [Re: Gijith]
    #3251528 - 10/19/04 02:45 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I have a friend who is Catholic(and Republican), and I think he'd be in total agreement with these bishops that it would be sinful to vote for a pro-abortion candidate. He also happens to disagree with the Pope about the Iraq War, even though he claims to believe in papal infallibility.


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Re: Catholics be warned - do not vote sinfully! [Re: CJay]
    #3251566 - 10/19/04 02:53 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Can we PLEASE yank the tax exemptions of these asshole churches who are turning their congregations into political tools?


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Re: Catholics be warned - do not vote sinfully! [Re: unbeliever]
    #3251574 - 10/19/04 02:55 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

unbeliever said:
Can we PLEASE yank the tax exemptions of these asshole churches who are turning their congregations into political tools?



I'd much rather extend those tax exemptions to everyone.


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Re: Catholics be warned - do not vote sinfully! [Re: silversoul7]
    #3251582 - 10/19/04 02:56 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

silversoul7 said:
Quote:

unbeliever said:
Can we PLEASE yank the tax exemptions of these asshole churches who are turning their congregations into political tools?



I'd much rather extend those tax exemptions to everyone.




Yes yes. Horse. Stick. Dead. Etc. :smile:


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Re: Catholics be warned - do not vote sinfully! [Re: CJay]
    #3251790 - 10/19/04 03:49 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Are those the same conservative bishops who shuffled child-molesting priests aff to other parrishes rather than see them prosecuted for a violation of both man-made and God's laws?


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Re: Catholics be warned - do not vote sinfully! [Re: Swami]
    #3251795 - 10/19/04 03:50 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Hey! Christians aren't perfect, just forgiven.


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Re: Catholics be warned - do not vote sinfully! [Re: Evolving]
    #3251857 - 10/19/04 04:09 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

So if I beat one of those molesters to death, then fall on my knees, beg forgiveness and accept Jesus as my personal computer, er saviour, then is is OK?


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Re: Catholics be warned - do not vote sinfully! [Re: CJay]
    #3251928 - 10/19/04 04:32 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Dudde are you stupid? Bush isn't a catholic at all. He isn't allegedly one, or supposedly one .Hes a presbyterian.

goddamn dude...


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Re: Catholics be warned - do not vote sinfully! [Re: retread]
    #3252044 - 10/19/04 05:07 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

retread said:
Dudde are you stupid? Bush isn't a catholic at all. He isn't allegedly one, or supposedly one .Hes a presbyterian.



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Re: Catholics be warned - do not vote sinfully! [Re: retread]
    #3252071 - 10/19/04 05:16 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Point out the line wherein CJAY says Bush is Catholic.


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Re: Catholics be warned - do not vote sinfully! [Re: Swami]
    #3252228 - 10/19/04 05:58 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Is GWB a good pure Catholic at heart, with a direct line to God?



Noone on EARTH claimed that he was a Catholic, so why vote unless you are inferring that he IS a catholic.


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Re: Catholics be warned - do not vote sinfully! [Re: unbeliever]
    #3252247 - 10/19/04 06:01 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Yea I'm glad someone else noticed how sS7 bitches about taxation non-fucking-stop since his conversion to non-leftism. holy fucking christ we get it already...


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Re: Catholics be warned - do not vote sinfully! [Re: retread]
    #3252394 - 10/19/04 06:36 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

retread said:
Yea I'm glad someone else noticed how sS7 bitches about taxation non-fucking-stop since his conversion to non-leftism. holy fucking christ we get it already...




I don't really mind. I understand that when you believe in something passionately it's hard not to want to share it with others. At least he's not going on about some cranky giant in the sky, burning bushes and and all that crap. :wink:


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Re: Catholics be warned - do not vote sinfully! [Re: retread]
    #3254991 - 10/20/04 06:40 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

You're pretty sharp eh?


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