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Lobsters in a jar?
    #3251004 - 10/19/04 11:50 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Wondered if anyone has inoculated a jar of Myc with Lobster mushroom spores? I was thinking a wheat berry jar with a suitable myc would make jars of Lobster myc as it recolonizes over the original culture then one could eat the cakes.
Just a thought I had as I was looking at a pile of lobster spores on the drying rack.
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Re: Lobsters in a jar? [Re: whiterasta]
    #3251498 - 10/19/04 02:39 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Those aren't lobster spores, those are spores from the host mushroom. "Lobster" mushrooms are a fungus that parasitizes another mushroom, usually a rusula or lactarius. The color is the parasite, the fruit body" is the host. All you willl succeed in growing is the host mushroom.


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Re: Lobsters in a jar? [Re: shobimono]
    #3252225 - 10/19/04 05:58 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

You wont succeed in growing the host mushroom that the parasite is on because the wheat berry jar is already colonized with suitable mycelium. I have no answer but I wanted to point out that shobimono is incorrect in assuming that.


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Re: Lobsters in a jar? [Re: whiterasta]
    #3252797 - 10/19/04 08:07 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Apparently Hypomyces lactifluorum, the lobster mushroom, is a pretty good taxonomist, only parasitizing Russula or Lactarius species. It is edible and actually renders the "Hot" flaver of the later rather pleasent.


Edited by noxy (10/19/04 08:12 PM)


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Re: Lobsters in a jar? [Re: noxy]
    #3454498 - 12/06/04 02:01 PM (12 years, 3 days ago)

Hmmmm.... I just tried a google search and a www.mushworld.com search and came up with nil. Does anyone know if Hypomyces has EVER been cultivated?


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Re: Lobsters in a jar? [Re: YidakiMan]
    #3461326 - 12/07/04 09:01 PM (12 years, 2 days ago)

I don't think it has been cultivated. Having found lobsters several times I think you are probably getting lobster spores. This is because the gills of the host fungus are always completely covered when I find them. As noxy pointed out, any attempt to cultivate them will require a Russula or Lactarius host.

The ones I've eaten were not "Hot" at all. The hot flavor is probably from the host mushroom. That flavor in a Russula or Lactarius is a key which indicates an inedible or poisonous mushroom. If I were you I would chose one of the choice edible Lactarii or Russulas as a host. I think cultivating one of these would be a project in itself.


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Re: Lobsters in a jar? [Re: shroomydan]
    #3463854 - 12/08/04 11:48 AM (12 years, 1 day ago)

My idea was to grow out the Lactarius or Russula Myc then inoculating with spores collected from wild Hypomyces in vitro and on grain in the hopes of making lobster "patties" by slicing the cakes and cooking.
Are either Genera mycorhyzoidal? If not then it should be possible to determine a substrate for them.
With all this curiosity my cat should be dead by now!
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Re: Lobsters in a jar? [Re: whiterasta]
    #3464213 - 12/08/04 01:28 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

I should have done just that extra bit of research before I posted, here:
http://botit.botany.wisc.edu/toms_fungi/sep2004.html

"All Russula and Lactarius species are mycorrhizal.."


But just because they are mycorrhizal does not mean it can not be done. Chantrelles have been cultivated and Bolete mycelium cultures well on agar. hmmmm..... Put it on my dissertation idea list....


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Re: Lobsters in a jar? [Re: whiterasta]
    #3500835 - 12/14/04 11:58 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

hey, the Penn state lab has both Lacterius
and Russula cultures. I'm pretty sure they sell
them. Not that you'd want to buy.
list of spawn
They have cultures of Russula brevipes that
Toxicman says is one of the host he find it on,
from this thread: Cultivating Lobster mushrooms

R. brevipes has been grown in culture.
And its the host for the Lobster mushroom.

It seems to grow on fruit bodies only. This
may because when the mycellium is in the ground it receives
some protection from surrounding organisms,
bacteria, or the tree it's associated with.

I've grown boletes and chantrelles on grain.
Russulas may be tougher
to get going on grain. I'll bet Lacterius
aren't though. The Penn state lab has a lot
of lacterius cultures.

I'd like to see someone do it. You should
give it a try. Just because it
hasn't been done or the academic community
poo poos don't mean it ain't possible.




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Re: Lobsters in a jar? [Re: falcon]
    #22584410 - 11/28/15 12:44 AM (1 year, 10 days ago)

Old ass post I know but I had to reply. Did this guy seriously grow chanterelles and boletes on grain? Is he now a world renowned mycologist? Or is this post a load of bullshit?


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Re: Lobsters in a jar? [Re: RebelRMS]
    #22585451 - 11/28/15 11:12 AM (1 year, 9 days ago)

Eh, the way I posted that was misleading, growing the mycellium on grain of mycorhhizal mushrooms is  done the same way as any saprophytic mushroom, by moving an agar or liquid culture onto sterile grain.  Fruiting of mycorhhyzal mushrooms is being done for some species with a tree as a host, but not by me, nor is fruiting  been done on grain by anyone as far as I know.


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Re: Lobsters in a jar? [Re: falcon]
    #22587883 - 11/28/15 09:29 PM (1 year, 9 days ago)

Ok, thanks for the response. Much respect.


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Re: Lobsters in a jar? [Re: falcon]
    #22589451 - 11/29/15 10:31 AM (1 year, 8 days ago)

A couple years ago I actually grew some indigo lacturius mycellium on rye berries and made a five gallon bucket of slurry it worked great they have been coming up every year since have also done the same thing with boletus bipolar and they come up all over our front yard  literally . So why not just make 2 five gallon bucket slurries one of the lobster fungus if you have a culture and  one of the mushroom type you would like and find a suitable host location  and try it that's what I did and let me tell you most of the time nature will always take care of you. We have been eating fresh bolsters since June


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Re: Lobsters in a jar? [Re: Nakedmushroomguru]
    #22591161 - 11/29/15 06:06 PM (1 year, 8 days ago)

Nice, if I had a couple or three White pines to do this under I would. I've a Lactarius chelidonium on agar, wasn't planning on doing anything with it but looking at it on grain, but now I may. Nakedmushroomguru, how much colonized grain did you add to the water and did you add anything else when you made the slurry? Did you scratch it into the ground? Oy, details please, I want to give this a try.


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Re: Lobsters in a jar? [Re: falcon]
    #22596479 - 11/30/15 11:05 PM (1 year, 7 days ago)

It was if I remember right I think 2 jars all I did was literally put the grains in a blender ground them for a few then threw in some cold water blended a little then put in five gallon bucket filled a inch or two from the top put lid on shook for a few then tossed it out in the woods in the backyard. With the boletes I had four or five jars same way but threw them in the front under a oak that's about six ft in diameter and moss all over . Think in bout try it with black trumpets next year in the same place as the boletes . Have also done this with morrells on numerous occasions and works every time. I might just be lucky but after six or seven tries and successes we'll say it works


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Re: Lobsters in a jar? [Re: Nakedmushroomguru]
    #22596519 - 11/30/15 11:15 PM (1 year, 7 days ago)

There's piks of the boletes in my piks but can't seem to upload or copy and paste the picks into the forum posts


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Re: Lobsters in a jar? [Re: Nakedmushroomguru]
    #22599664 - 12/01/15 05:19 PM (1 year, 6 days ago)

Thanks, I have a couple of Spruce that I can put something under, so I'll have to see what's compatible with them.


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Re: Lobsters in a jar? [Re: falcon]
    #22603991 - 12/02/15 02:49 PM (1 year, 5 days ago)

Let me know what you decide on . Just like to know what species you tried and if it worked . If you want some indigo lacturius ill clone and send you some next time they pop


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Re: Lobsters in a jar? [Re: Nakedmushroomguru]
    #22605257 - 12/02/15 07:34 PM (1 year, 5 days ago)

Thanks, I'm going to try the Lactarius chelidonium and look for a host a Russula or Lactarius that Hypomyces lactifluorum might like. I'm going to put it around the Spruce, but I'm also going to look for a place with some White pines that I can use.


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