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silversoul7
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Re: Libertarians & War

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#3246716 - 10/12/04 09:59 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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mushmaster said:
"Most libertarians believe you shouldn't initiate force against someone who has never used force against you. Force is to be used only in self-defense ? not used just because you don't happen to like someone, or because someone doesn't like you, or because he might become dangerous in the future, or because some third party has attacked you and you want to prove you're not a wimp."

this suggests that private citizens should be permitted to acquire and possess nuclear weapons and fully armed fighter jets up until the point where they initiate force against someone.

I don't really see how you got that from that statement, and I don't know about nuclear or chemical weapons, but I have no problem with civilians owning military aircraft or other such machinery. They're not really the kind of weapon you could use in the heat of an argument, so I don't think there'd be many accidental killings or crimes of passion. It's not really very effective for robbing liquor stores either. The one thing that it would be good for would be engaging other aircraft, like other fighter jets, which might come in handy in a revolution, or in fending off an invasion.

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Re: Libertarians & War

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#3246924 - 10/12/04 11:15 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

here's what he said:

Most libertarians believe you shouldn't initiate force against someone who has never used force against you.

he then implies that he agrees with this.

the statement implies that if someone is attempting to acquire a nuclear weapon through peaceful, honest means, then the state cannot legitimated use force to prevent them from doing so. if someone already has acquired a nuclear weapon through peaceful and honest means, then the government cannot seize it forcefully.

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hound
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Re: Libertarians & War

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#3249161 - 10/12/04 08:39 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I still don't see how you can read that article and come up with the conclusion that you did. If that aint a s-t-r-et-c-h, I don't know what is.

Miller v. United States ( I am not 100% sure on that) seems to be a Supreme Court case that is referred to when the second ammendment comes up in a discussion. It gave two conditions concerning the militia and firearms:

1. The weapon must be in common use at the time.

2. The person must supply the weapon himself.

Nuclear and chemical weapons are not in common use so they are not protected by the second ammendment. And how many private citizens have the means to personaly aquire a ICBM, a F-15, a modern tank ?

Going by that ruling, a case can be made that weapons like a M-16 should be protected under the 2'nd ammendment.

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silversoul7
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Re: Libertarians & War

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#3249489 - 10/12/04 09:29 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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hound said:
Going by that ruling, a case can be made that weapons like a M-16 should be protected under the 2'nd ammendment.

I'm pretty sure it is, as long as it's not an automatic.

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Re: Libertarians & War

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#3250069 - 10/12/04 11:16 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Just for your reference, Miller v. United States.

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Re: Libertarians & War

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#3250537 - 10/13/04 01:21 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Damn, your good. :bow:

Thanks.

So the name was right then.

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