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American Gestapo
    #3246689 - 10/12/04 11:41 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/10/11/disappeared.suspects.ap/index.html

Report: Al Qaeda suspects have 'disappeared'

Monday, October 11, 2004 Posted: 9:00 PM EDT (0100 GMT)

NEW YORK (AP) -- At least 11 al Qaeda suspects have "disappeared" in U.S. custody, and some may have been tortured, Human Rights Watch said in a report issued Monday.

The prisoners are probably being held outside the United States without access to the Red Cross or any oversight of their treatment, the human rights group said. In some cases, the United States will not even acknowledge the prisoners are in custody.

The report said the prisoners include the alleged architect of the September 11 attacks, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, as well as Abu Zubaydah, who is believed to be a close aide to Osama bin Laden.

In refusing to disclose the prisoners' whereabouts or acknowledge the detentions, Human Rights Watch said, the U.S. government has violated international law, international treaties and the Geneva Convention. The group called on the government to bring all the prisoners "under the protection of the law."

"I think the U.S. demeans itself when it adopts the philosophy that the ends justify the means in the fight against terror," said Reed Brody, special counsel with Human Rights Watch.

CIA spokesman Mark Mansfield said the agency has not seen the report and declined to comment.

The report -- titled "The United States' `Disappeared:' The CIA's Long-term 'Ghost Detainees"' -- said many of the prisoners have provided valuable intelligence to U.S. officials. But it also cited reports that some detainees have lied under pressure to please their interrogators.

Human Rights Watch has no firsthand knowledge of the treatment of these detainees. Much of the report stems from news accounts that have cited unidentified government sources acknowledging the torture or mistreatment of detainees.

The report provides a brief sketch of 11 detainees believed to be incommunicado in undisclosed locations. They hail from countries across the Arab world, including Libya, Yemen, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. U.S. authorities have confirmed the detention of six of them, the report said.


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Re: American Gestapo [Re: afoaf]
    #3246968 - 10/12/04 01:25 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

i posted an earlier thread on such a topic..that went largely ignored.. ie how many abu ghraibs are there that we dont know about...the civilian population in nazi were largely unaware of hitlers' gulags...


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Re: American Gestapo [Re: Annapurna1]
    #3247018 - 10/12/04 01:39 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

9/11 terrorists war on terror 9/11 homeland terror fear and 9/11!


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Re: American Gestapo [Re: afoaf]
    #3248091 - 10/12/04 07:00 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Boo-friggin-hoo. If they aren't in training camps, and aren't on airplanes, I don't give a fuck if they are in an Israelie torture dungeoun. Good riddance.


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Re: American Gestapo [Re: retread]
    #3248234 - 10/12/04 07:24 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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retread said:
Boo-friggin-hoo. If they aren't in training camps, and aren't on airplanes, I don't give a fuck if they are in an Israelie torture dungeoun. Good riddance.




Considering the balls-up our intelligence has been lately, I highly doubt they are all guilty. I find it grossly hypocritical of the U.S. (and UK) to continue to imprison people, especially their own citizens, without any of the basic rights gauranteed by the constitution.


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Re: American Gestapo [Re: retread]
    #3248274 - 10/12/04 07:33 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Sadly, alot of people detained are innocent people who have no links to terrorism whatsoever.


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Re: American Gestapo [Re: unbeliever]
    #3248306 - 10/12/04 07:41 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

If an American citizen is being detained unConstitituonally, I am against it. If some Afghan terrorist-to-be is being held in Gitmo, well, what fucking "rights" does he had? What rights would the government that eh supported have given to a 'terrorist'?


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Re: American Gestapo [Re: retread]
    #3248320 - 10/12/04 07:43 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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retread said:
If an American citizen is being detained unConstitituonally, I am against it. If some Afghan terrorist-to-be is being held in Gitmo, well, what fucking "rights" does he had? What rights would the government that eh supported have given to a 'terrorist'?




Who's to say they are all terrorists? And what the fuck are we liberating them for if when we imprison them, we deny them all their rights?


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Re: American Gestapo [Re: retread]
    #3248493 - 10/12/04 08:22 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

just wait until you're labeled a terrorist for your extremist
views and thrown into unconstitutional confinement.

slippery slope...do unto others...


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Re: American Gestapo [Re: retread]
    #3249107 - 10/12/04 10:30 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Rights are not contingent upon one's country, but upon one being a human being.


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Re: American Gestapo [Re: Evolving]
    #3249380 - 10/12/04 11:14 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Evolving said:
Rights are not contingent upon one's country, but upon one being a human being.




:thumbup:

since when did we need a peace of paper to tell us what rights we should have?


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