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Re: Surprise CO2 rise may speed up global warming [Re: GazzBut]
    #3246459 - 10/12/04 08:30 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Well it seems your graphs differ from his graphs which differ from my graph which differ from the graphs discussed in the other thread. My point is that the graphs that he has shown as concrete proof and discounted in the last thread were taken from one spot in the Antarctica. Why should anyone with a shred of common sense take that as conrete proof? Why is it that some numbnut in your article is taking CO2 readings on top of a volcano in a spot that has the most active volcanoes in the world? Ofcourse your going to get higher CO2 readings in Hawaii. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that.

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I dont know what "natural fluctuation" is for this kind of period.




The ice ages that we have experiences are natural flucuations in heating and cooling (which span thousands of years), or was that caused by man as well?


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Re: Surprise CO2 rise may speed up global warming [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3246460 - 10/12/04 08:30 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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Beats the one location sampling that you have provided and mention in the previous thread. You claim to be able to tell what 98% of the earth's CO2 is with a core sampling taken from Antarctica. Sounds to me that your graph fails to mention how different areas of the world have different CO2 levels. This has been discussed and you still talk is if it is fact, mind blowing.





stop lying inny. where did i say mine was from one location? where did i say it was just from core sampling in antartica?



reconstructed from proxy data (tree rings, corals, ice cores, and historical records). The line shows the 50-year average, the grey region the 95% confidence limit in the annual data. From years 1860 to 2000 are shown variations in observations of globally and annually averaged surface temperature from the instrumental record; the line shows the decadal average. From years 2000 to 2100 projections of globally averaged surface temperature are shown for the six illustrative SRES scenarios and IS92a using a model with average climate sensitivity. The grey region marked ?several models all SRES envelope? shows the range of results from the full range of 35 SRES scenarios in addition to those from a range of models with different climate sensitivities.


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Re: Surprise CO2 rise may speed up global warming [Re: Tao]
    #3246464 - 10/12/04 08:33 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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the line shows the decadal average.




you see? one decade of data is so insignificant that they just average it.


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Re: Surprise CO2 rise may speed up global warming [Re: Tao]
    #3246477 - 10/12/04 08:44 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

you did in our last discussion which prompted the satellite temperature graph, no need to lie.

That graph can predict the future? hm, why can't the temperature be predicted a week from now but you claim it to be a fact that a hundred years from now it will be hotter? Didn't you say before we would just have a climate change?

you change your stance when it suits you. In our last discussion you got mad because I claimed that the evidence doesn't show the earth heating up, then you said that global warming doesn't involve the earth heating up but rather climate changes. Then I mentioned the climate in my area, then you said it's not local (whatever that means). Now you're sticking to the assertion that it is in fact warming up. Michigan for example has been cooler for the last 2 years then it has in a long time. for the month of January or February (i forget) we set the record for the coldest month on record. I realize that this is local but if your evidence is true then there should be no way that this should happen, or are you now arguing climate changes? You are the one who is switching their stance. Climate changes, like global warming and cooling are a product of natural fluctuations, nothing new. There has been no evidence that this is caused by man. That is what I've always said. you know this and you still deny it.


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Re: Surprise CO2 rise may speed up global warming [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3246486 - 10/12/04 08:55 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

your inability to understand the intense complexities of atomospheric sciences is not a sign that their predictions are therefore wrong. you've been throughly pwn3d in this debate. im out.


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Re: Surprise CO2 rise may speed up global warming [Re: Tao]
    #3246512 - 10/12/04 09:18 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

you're inability to use common sense is what will make your side look like chicken little. You've not answered basic questions and avoid those that ask you to use common sense. Maybe you can ask your friend and she/he can tell you what to think.


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Re: Surprise CO2 rise may speed up global warming [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3246813 - 10/12/04 12:41 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Everyone just buy a car with decent mileage, try and use recycled paper goods and write to your government officials telling them you want to see more research on global warming (my department could use more funds). We'd be moving in the right direction if people were willing to do this.


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Re: Surprise CO2 rise may speed up global warming [Re: Gijith]
    #3247081 - 10/12/04 01:56 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I'd be happy if regular polution laws were enforced. If that were the case we wouldn't be having this discussion.


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