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Child Prodigies
    #3243937 - 10/11/04 06:17 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I've been wanting to ask people here who don't beleive in life beyond, or reincarnation, or that source is within not without us, where do these child prodigies get these abilities of knowing how to do without being taught before the age of 3?, like algebra, speak foreign languages or play the violin like a pro.


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Re: Child Prodigies [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3244169 - 10/11/04 07:23 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

They don't "know" without being taught...they just have much better learning machines :wink:

Human intellingence, like most things, follows a bell curve. Child "prodigies" are humans at the high end of intelligence, who learn much faster than most people can.

(though i'm not saying there isn't something more than flesh and blood :wink: )


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Re: Child Prodigies [Re: trendal]
    #3244293 - 10/11/04 07:55 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

My oldest brother was born with a gift for music. He can play anything. I have seen him pick up a violin for the first time and play it...properly. I've seen him do this a lot of times with various instruments. Unforunately he was also born with a taste for Wild Turkey so he has problems that compensate for his ability. If God gifted him so too did Satan. I, myself am a prodigy as well...I was born an asshole.


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Re: Child Prodigies [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3244307 - 10/11/04 07:59 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Seriously, though, both of my brothers and myself have been either seriously gifted by God or cursed. The oldest is the musician, the next is a chess wiz, but a paranoid shcizophrenic, and I am not without my problems. God or genetics...or is it the same thing?


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Re: Child Prodigies [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3244337 - 10/11/04 08:07 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

What trendal said :smile:


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Re: Child Prodigies [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3244682 - 10/11/04 09:29 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Apparently, tulkus do appear in and around Tibet (Tibetan Plateau now, unfortunately). Four year old children insist that they are someone else, can give names and places and can correctly pick individual items (like one pair of slippers from 10, or one pipe from many) that belonged to a deceased Lama. Just why the phenomenon occurs there may only be chalked up to the type of training, preparation and discipline to pass through the Bardo with a consciousness that permits the non-dissolution of samskaras, thereby permitting memory to persist into another lifetime. Far out. They would be metaphysical prodigies rather than violin virtuosos, but hey, Mozart reincarnated without memory may supply us with ingenius music, but leaves us still in metaphysical darkness.


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Re: Child Prodigies [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #3244710 - 10/11/04 09:39 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Interesting replies!

These kids ARE amazing!


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Re: Child Prodigies [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3245480 - 10/12/04 12:16 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

where do these child prodigies get these abilities of knowing how to do without being taught before the age of 3?, like algebra, speak foreign languages or play the violin like a pro.
Do these actually exist? I want to download a recording of somebody less than 3 years old playing the violin "like a pro" and it would be especially nice icing on the cake if this person was never taught. If you can't read between the lines I'm skeptical that such extreme prodigies as you've mentioned exist, and I'm asking you to produce some documentation like an article about a 3 year-old who speaks languages he's never heard before.. but on to your question..

I personally believe that there is a limited number of a very special kind of sheep roaming this planet. These sheep inhabit people for as long as they need, sometimes an entire human lifetime, sometimes only for a few weeks. While inhabited, a human will gain great skills and perform amazing feats in order to materialize the sheep's agenda (which is always beyond any human's grasp). When the sheep is done with any given host, he will leave and the host will wilt without the sheep's support.

The existence of child prodigies proves my theory.

Just kidding. The sheep theory comes from a book called the Wild Sheep Chase by Haruki Murakami. It's dope. I just thought I'd present it to make my point that the existence of child prodigies could be used as evidence to support a million different theories just as "schizophrenic" but not nearly as popular as reincarnation. If you believe in reincarnation, you'd probably say the violin virtuoso played music in many previous life times, if you were more of a shaman-type you might say the child has a powerful frog as a spirit ally, if you were muslim you'd probably say God has something to do with it, if you were catholic then you'd pull his pants down and.. eraoehaoh never mind.

Basically.. you get the idea.

There are a million theories you could use the existence of child prodigies to support.


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Re: Child Prodigies [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3246152 - 10/12/04 03:39 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Unlike muscles and bones, the brain of a child is nearly totally developed. In short, kids are nearly as intellectually capable as adults, but without the knowledge base and associations to draw upon.

There is a 3-4 year old girl who can recite most ALL of the world leaders and capitals of every country. How could this memory talent possibly relate to reincarnation as the world's leaders change every few years?


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Re: Child Prodigies [Re: Swami]
    #3246181 - 10/12/04 03:54 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

There's a twelve year old boy in EE40 (structure and interpretation of electric systems). He's top 3 in the class. This is UC Berkeley folks.


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Re: Child Prodigies [Re: daba]
    #3246187 - 10/12/04 03:58 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

And...?


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Re: Child Prodigies [Re: Swami]
    #3246312 - 10/12/04 06:06 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

It's quite frightening.


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Re: Child Prodigies [Re: daba]
    #3246824 - 10/12/04 12:45 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

More interesting and some funny replies, thanks.

I've never heard the spiritual community give a definitive explaination, rather lots of possible theories) for what I read to many times during a search last night, these "FREAKS" of nature. :confused: Idiot savants were thrown in as well. I've never heard the scientific community give a definitive one either and was curious how far science got with it.

Bethovan was considered a prodigy.

I don't know or have any strong ideas myself (some healthy schizophreniac type door openning was an interesting new possible theory posed by mix) and am sincerely curious out of an interest in human potential.

Lots of kids have excellent memories for facts at a young age swami, though the one you mentioned is impressive, doesn't sound like it qualifies for prodigy. Prodigies scream "this kids abilities are inexplicably scary freaky". One guy wrote, "if you have to ask if your child is a prodigy or not, they arn't"

In my search, I found it shows up in the areas of math, music and "chess".  Chess requires strategic thinking. That's unsettling when it shows up in a 4 year old, but only related to chess??????????? Most 4 years olds play horsey with chess pawns and get them lost in the couch cushions, not beat their parents consistantly.

I wish science would do more research on these kids. I came across a Time magazine article that discussed some scientific research. They used MRI data to compare prodigies to kids of average development. They also couldn't find a link between them and nurturing, it was nature as far as their research went.

They did find a hyper amount of  brain activity in areas that show none in average kids. What was even more interesting to me was that the prodigies showwed a lot of hemi-sync communication and additional right brain activity.

I know a lot of spiritualists beleive human potential has hardly been realized as of yet and they do have a hard on for going hemi-sync. LOL

Science doesn't yet know the explaination for the exceptional additional brain activity. If it's related to genes, who knows what the future can hold with gene replacement technology.


This reminds of that post where it was asked if we stopped evolving. Considering this, I have to say, NO WAY! There's lots of room for human growth potential. Science is getting a peek at what can happen when dormant parts of the brain become active. Way Cool!

I wonder what the kids of two prodigies would be like?


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Re: Child Prodigies [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3246921 - 10/12/04 01:14 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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gettinjiggywithit said:
I've been wanting to ask people here who don't beleive in life beyond, or reincarnation, or that source is within not without us, where do these child prodigies get these abilities of knowing how to do without being taught before the age of 3?, like algebra, speak foreign languages or play the violin like a pro.




Could be...
We are dna.. in each cell we got information stored, passed down through generations, maybe the great violinist somehow relates to some early even greater violinist, and all He knew and found out back then, got stored in the info (DNA)? and when a child carrying his genes, was/is born, say a century later, and somehow got to access it, before his mom or someone else get to stop his exploration of the body, simply by telling him "how it is like THAT, and not like THAT, because THAT is what THAT is and not THAT" (limiting maybe even restraining his mind? but as for some reason he got to find this ability ( which we all got (?)) he could i.e. play the violin like a pro, even before he knew speak? hehe

so in short, algebra, foreign languages or "how play the violin like a pro" may actually be something if related to the right people stored in the DNA? :wink:

Side or sub, note: are we all related? I see not how we could be, but then again..
Salvia for instance I herd "all come from the same source plant" as it does not make seeds? (Maybe a male plant or only a female plant came to earth from space :P and sine it had no mate accompanying it, it could not reproduce?) 
he he if I got off topic, please ignore it :P

sub sub note: iv heard people talk about downloading info when tripping, i fealt just as mutch as upploding :P


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Re: Child Prodigies [Re: Gomp]
    #3247001 - 10/12/04 01:35 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Gomp said:
sub sub note: iv heard people talk about downloading info when tripping, I felt just as mutch as upploding :P




Lately I have been putting a reverse spin on everything. Why didn't I think of that? Fun new idea to play with.


Oh, and the MRI research into these kids also showwed exceptional ability to focus and tune out distractions.

I liked what you added to the topic gomp, thanks.


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