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OfflineLeukoism
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Grow shrooms without spores-Tek
    #3241957 - 10/11/04 06:00 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

-False information this does not work, only creates mold and contams. Do not try this at home!!- Leukoism
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I have experimented with this and it does work, though I could have just gotten lucky. This involves the basic PF-Tek method with two additions.

The substrate that you will be using is vermiculite, WWF (whole wheat flour), don?t know if it makes a difference but its all I had at the time. And manure or straight cow shit.

The usual amount used in the PF-tek is 140ml of verm, 40ml of BRF. But instead of 40ml of BRF make it WWF and spit it in half. So now its 20ml of WWF and 20ml of manure. If you are using cow shit powderize it so its not chunky.

Follow the normal PF-tek. Put water in verm, add WWF and manure, pressure cook, incubate etc. But with this tek there is no spores involved! Do not add any spores. Once done PCing set it in an incubator and let it sit.

This method does take a little longer than normal than the PF-tek since there aren?t any spores added. They must occur naturally through natures decomposing ways.

I don?t know how this worked but it could be beneficial to people who cant get spores through venders, such as people in California!! They could get started with this to give them a mushroom to work with.

My jar is about 90% colonized and it is white cottony mycelium, I?m sure it is because the jars were sealed with tape before/after PCing them. So there couldn?t have been any chance of contam or loose mush spores entering through the top. I did still poke four holes in the lid and place tape over them so the jar wouldn?t explode in the PC.

Give this a try I don?t know if it will work for anybody else but it couldn?t hurt. please post any comments on how you think this could have worked.


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Re: Grow shrooms without spores-Tek [Re: Leukoism]
    #3241963 - 10/11/04 06:06 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Hey, congratulation. I do think you got lucky though. I don't see how anything survived a proper PC. But as long as it works.

Many monster shroomie wishies for ya!

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Re: Grow shrooms without spores-Tek [Re: Leukoism]
    #3241964 - 10/11/04 06:06 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Stay tuned for next weeks installment; Laying eggs without a chicken.

Maybe there were spores on the manure, but how they survived the pressure cooking is anyone's guess. It's far more likely to be a contam.


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Re: Grow shrooms without spores-Tek [Re: Charles]
    #3241969 - 10/11/04 06:13 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Mushrooms are known to grow on things that are decomposing, so maybe the manure in the jar decomposed and started growing mycelium. I have no clue how this worked but it definatly looks like healthy white mycelium.


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Re: Grow shrooms without spores-Tek [Re: Leukoism]
    #3241972 - 10/11/04 06:22 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Trust me, you did not just magic up the spontaneous creation of life.


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Re: Grow shrooms without spores-Tek [Re: Charles]
    #3241975 - 10/11/04 06:26 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

One will never know...


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Re: Grow shrooms without spores-Tek [Re: Leukoism]
    #3241977 - 10/11/04 06:30 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Grow it and let us know how it goes.
I highly doubt that you'll end up with poisonous mushrooms that look like cubes or other psilocybin shroomies.


Many monster mushie wishies.

Sam


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Edited by Sam1912 (10/11/04 08:28 AM)


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Re: Grow shrooms without spores-Tek [Re: Leukoism]
    #3241978 - 10/11/04 06:32 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

with no spores?!?! i just fell of my chair!!


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Re: Grow shrooms without spores-Tek [Re: Hamurabi]
    #3241987 - 10/11/04 06:39 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

somones bullshiting!


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Re: Grow shrooms without spores-Tek [Re: aussieone]
    #3241991 - 10/11/04 06:45 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Try it and see, I could have done somthing to trigger the growth. But i'm not sure what.


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Re: Grow shrooms without spores-Tek [Re: Leukoism]
    #3241993 - 10/11/04 06:46 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Leukoism said:
Mushrooms are known to grow on things that are decomposing, so maybe the manure in the jar decomposed and started growing mycelium. I have no clue how this worked but it definatly looks like healthy white mycelium.


Ummm... lol...

There is no life form on this planet that can spontaneously generate itself from.. nothing. That includes mycelium.

If you properly pressure cooked, there should be nothing alive in the jars. Without microbes, decomposition does not happen in the first place.. thereby relegating your theory to the compost heap. :wink:

I'm calling shenanigans on this post. Pics?


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Re: Grow shrooms without spores-Tek [Re: discman1]
    #3241994 - 10/11/04 06:48 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I bought a webcam yesterday, it should arrive in a week or so. I'll do an update to prove this to you.


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Re: Grow shrooms without spores-Tek [Re: Leukoism]
    #3241996 - 10/11/04 06:50 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I would try, but few problems... I don't have PC, I don't like to touch poo, no space in the incubator... and oh yeah. THERE ARE NO COWS ON THIS DAMN ISLAND!!!

So, sorry. But I am open minded about it. Doesn't mean, I don't highly doubt it. I just pulling for ya that it is indeed the right kind.

Sam


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Re: Grow shrooms without spores-Tek [Re: Sam1912]
    #3241999 - 10/11/04 06:52 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I am making another jar to see if I can get the same outcome. Maybe I should PC longer?


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Re: Grow shrooms without spores-Tek [Re: Leukoism]
    #3242003 - 10/11/04 06:54 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

no, try to duplicate everything.

Sam


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Re: Grow shrooms without spores-Tek [Re: Sam1912]
    #3242013 - 10/11/04 07:00 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Alright, will do!


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Re: Grow shrooms without spores-Tek [Re: Leukoism]
    #3242027 - 10/11/04 07:36 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

even if it did work there would be no guarantees that it would be a magic mushroom


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Re: Grow shrooms without spores-Tek [Re: aussieone]
    #3242036 - 10/11/04 07:44 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

But it came from cow manure, it should be. The chemiclals that are in the manure create certin mushrooms. Each mushroom in nature likes to grow on different things. And mushrooms growing on manure or cow shit are usually psilocybin involved. besides panaeolus, and those are active too.


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Re: Grow shrooms without spores-Tek [Re: aussieone]
    #3242037 - 10/11/04 07:44 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I think it's always good to experiment. You can send in a sample to a lab for analysis of alkaloid content afterwards. Maybe it's a mutation of cubie that's more resiliant. or maybe not. But it's only a jar or two. It's worth a second look if it looks like a mycelium, IMHO.

Sam


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Re: Grow shrooms without spores-Tek [Re: Leukoism]
    #3242038 - 10/11/04 07:45 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

ROFLMMFAO=HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA


There is no way in hell you have mushrooms growing in that jar after you pc';d them!
You have green mold or some other contam.
It is not possible for spores to survive 250'f+ at 15 psi for one hour.NO WAY SHAPE FORM OR FASHION.
LMAO

Thermal death occurs at 106'f=they die my homie!

I'm sorry but this is the funniest shit I have ever heared here at the shroomery,lol.

Throw those jars away before you make yourself sick by growing contams.

I'm sorry if I don't believe you,but I know its not possible!
I love this=its good,lol,keep me updated,lol, on your contam grow.
Hey they come in different colors too.They start out bright white and then colors appear=green,yellow,pink.

The Newbie Shroom Tek,lol


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