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OfflineAncalagon
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"It is not too soon for honest men to rebel..."
    #3233269 - 10/08/04 03:33 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Some interesting news to look out for(or to not look out for considering the complete aversion of the mainstream media to giving third parties attention) tonight.

Badnarik: I will debate or be arrested

Michael Badnarik, the Libertarian Party?s 2004 presidential nominee, will debate John Kerry and George W. Bush in St. Louis on Friday. Or he?ll go to jail instead.

?A majority of Americans say that I should be included in the events sponsored by the Commission on Presidential Debates,? says Badnarik, 50, of Austin, Texas. ?And the CPD, as a non-profit, has received special treatment from government on the requirement that they be non-partisan in their activities. Bi-partisan is not non-partisan.

?Unless I am allowed to participate, the debates become a massive campaign contribution to two of the candidates, illegal under the very campaign finance laws those two candidates have passed and signed as Senator and President.?

At 8 p.m. on Friday evening, Badnarik, along with the demonstrators expected to assemble in protest against his exclusion, will proceed to the police line erected to keep himself and the other legitimate candidates out during broadcast of the ?bi-partisan campaign commercial.?

And then he will cross it.

?We?d have preferred to see John Kerry and George Bush stand up like men to debate the issues facing America,? says Badnarik?s communications director, Stephen Gordon. ?However, they have interposed the machinery of government between the American people and the honest debate which must precede any honest election. Now it?s up to patriots like Michael Badnarik to force the issue.? In Arizona, the Libertarian Party is taking the state university to court to prevent the expenditure of state money on a similar event.

Badnarik has previously debated David Cobb, the Green Party?s candidate; Michael Peroutka of the Constitution Party; and Walt Brown of the Socialist Party. Kerry and Bush, as well as Independent Ralph Nader, declined to participate in those debates. Tomorrow morning, he will proceed from a New York taping with Bill Moyers to St. Louis, ready to take on the Republican and Democratic machines in defense of American democracy.

Voters in 48 states and the District of Columbia will be able to vote for Badnarik on November 2nd. More than 600 Libertarians currently serve in public office across the United States.

Additional press information:

- The protest will proceed from Northmoor Park on Big Bend Ave., just south of Washington University to the corner of Big Bend and Forsyth, where the police line is expected to be arrayed. Badnarik?s crossing onto the Washington University campus will take place at that point, some time between 8 and 8:15 p.m. Badnarik and Green Party presidential candidate David Cobb plan to cross the police line together.

- The headline quote is from Thoreau, and intended to apply to the US occupation of Iraq:

?In other words, when ? a whole country is unjustly overrun and conquered by a foreign army, and subjected to military law, I think that it is not too soon for honest men to rebel and revolutionize. What makes this duty the more urgent is the fact that the country so overrun is not our own, but ours is the invading army.? ? Henry David Thoreau, On the Duty of Civil Disobedience


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Re: "It is not too soon for honest men to rebel... [Re: Ancalagon]
    #3233292 - 10/08/04 03:39 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I think I've made it pretty obvious that I'm not a libertarian, but good on Badnarik. I hope it works, all of our 3rd parties need exposure and equitable campaign coverage. This will be interesting to follow. Hopefully there won't be any violence involved, not only for the sake of peace but it could also discredit the 3rd parties if the media spinsters want to play it that way.


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Re: "It is not too soon for honest men to rebel... [Re: Ancalagon]
    #3233299 - 10/08/04 03:43 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I hope this gets him some well-deserved media exposure. Most people at my school have never heard of Michael Badnarik, or the Libertarian Party for that matter, which is why I'm glad I got a Badnarik bumper sticker for my car.


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Re: "It is not too soon for honest men to rebel... [Re: Ancalagon]
    #3233365 - 10/08/04 04:00 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Right on, Badnarik! This is actually the kind of politics I find refreshing! Either way, he's sure to make a splash if he crosses that line. If he gets arrested, with all the media around, it could do wonders for his party. If he somehow makes it into the debate auditorium...WOW!


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    #3233373 - 10/08/04 04:02 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Indeed. If he gets arrested, then millions of Americans may hear about the Libertarian Party for the first time. If he actually got into the debate(highly unlikely), then it could mean a revolution in politics in America.


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    #3233376 - 10/08/04 04:04 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Viva la revolucion!


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Re: "It is not too soon for honest men to rebel..." [Re: Ancalagon]
    #3233492 - 10/08/04 04:58 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

BADNARIK FOR PRESIDENT!


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    #3233505 - 10/08/04 05:01 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

If you guys can actually vote a Libertarian into office, I'd probably be moving down to the US of A :wink:


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Re: "It is not too soon for honest men to rebel... [Re: trendal]
    #3233520 - 10/08/04 05:06 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

trendal said:
If you guys can actually vote a Libertarian into office, I'd probably be moving down to the US of A :wink:



You'd be more than welcome.


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Re: "It is not too soon for honest men to rebel... [Re: Ancalagon]
    #3233575 - 10/08/04 05:17 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

sweet
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Re: "It is not too soon for honest men to rebel... [Re: Vvellum]
    #3234168 - 10/08/04 08:08 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

http://www.audioblogger.com/media/23496/102178.mp3 - Audioblog from Jon Airheart, Campaign manager for Michael Badnarik, from the march in St. Louis.

http://www.etopiamedia.net/empnn/pages/apt/apt8-5551212.html - Interview of Michael Badnarik, Libertarian Candidate for President, from the march in St. Louis.


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?When Alexander the Great visted the philosopher Diogenes and asked whether he could do anything for him, Diogenes is said to have replied: 'Yes, stand a little less between me and the sun.' It is what every citizen is entitled to ask of his government.?
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Re: "It is not too soon for honest men to rebel... [Re: Ancalagon]
    #3234235 - 10/08/04 08:31 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Badnarik rocks. It's a fucking shame I might have to vote for Fuckhead so I won't "waste" my vote.


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Re: "It is not too soon for honest men to rebel... [Re: retread]
    #3234242 - 10/08/04 08:33 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

The only "wasted" vote is a vote for someone you don't truly respect.


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    #3234297 - 10/08/04 08:48 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

retread said:
Badnarik rocks. It's a fucking shame I might have to vote for Fuckhead so I won't "waste" my vote.



Didn't you say a while back that you WERE voting for Badnarik?


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Re: "It is not too soon for honest men to rebel... [Re: Ancalagon]
    #3234483 - 10/08/04 10:03 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

MICHAEL BADNARIK ARRESTED
October 8

8:38PM CST

The first report from St. Louis is in - and presidential candidates Michael Badnarik (Libertarian) and David Cobb (Green Party) were just arrested. Badnarik was carrying an Order to Show Cause, which he intended to serve the Commission on Presidential Debates (CPD). Earlier today, Libertarians attempted to serve these same papers at the Washington, D.C. headquarters of the CPD - but were stopped from approaching the CPD office by security guards.

Fred Collins reported to me from the ground that Badnarik and Cobb are in great physical condition and great spirit.

As soon as more details are available, they will be posted here immediately.

8:51PM CST

I just spoke with Jon Airheart on his cellular telephone. He reports that while he could see no handcuffs, both Badnarik and Cobb had their hands behind their backs, as if they were handcuffed. Airheart also confirms that Badnarik did have the papers to serve the CPD in his jacket pocket.




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Re: "It is not too soon for honest men to rebel... [Re: Ancalagon]
    #3234492 - 10/08/04 10:07 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Dear God, please let this end up on CNN.


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Re: "It is not too soon for honest men to rebel... [Re: silversoul7]
    #3234500 - 10/08/04 10:11 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)



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