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 Mykro_Guy
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 soak then simmer? 
#3231171 - 10/08/04 12:42 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i ws reading GG and MM by Paul Stamets and in his book he says to prepare grain in 2 ways:
1. simmer grians for an hour, rinse place in filter fitted jars and steralize by Pcing them
2. load the jars with required amoint of water and grain...let it soak for 12-24 hours with filter and all and directly PC them, not taking them out or anything
my question is if you combine the 2... boiling the grain for an hour and placing them in the jars THEN allowoing to sit for 12-24 would that be over kill(over wet) any comments would be kool or difernt approachs
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 Gr0wer
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Re: soak then simmer? [Re: Mykro_Guy]
#3231223 - 10/08/04 12:49 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Contams isnt an issue, just get the water content right and PC.
I like to precook, rinse, and load because the grain comes out much cleaner and myc tends to grow a bit better then meaure and PC. You dont even need to soak if your loading the jars with meaured water/grain. Some people go as far as to soak then simmer but i find this excessive and unnecassary.
I never heard of percooking for an hour, 20-30 min on low boil gets the water content perfect.
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Re: soak then simmer? [Re: Mykro_Guy]
#3231248 - 10/08/04 12:54 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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You DEFINITELY want to soak for 24 hours when using grains. You want the spores inside the grains that would survive the PC hatch in the soak so you can rinse it good after. Then simmer the water in for 30 mins or so, strain really really well and load up jars.
Don't cheap out on soaking. I did one time with finchseed and it resulted in about 20 contaminated 1/2 pints.
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Mykro_Guy
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Re: soak then simmer? [Re: Mykro_Guy]
#3231265 - 10/08/04 12:58 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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well i really dont like just messuring and loading cuz it seems like i fuck the ater content up. but i guess ill try soak then simmer then rinse and load..it does seem like one to many steps but 
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Re: soak then simmer? [Re: Ayrios]
#3231273 - 10/08/04 12:59 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Um, then you did something else wrong. Myself and many others here have made many, many jars/bags without soaking and had success. Soaking is not a necessary step to grain preparation, the PC kills all.
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Ayrios
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Re: soak then simmer? [Re: Gr0wer]
#3231326 - 10/08/04 01:07 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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It's obviously not that black and white then. It's possible that different grain types contain different spores of different survival rates. Why risk it? It's a step that involves putting stuff in a bowl with water and letting it sit for a day.
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Re: soak then simmer? [Re: Ayrios]
#3231447 - 10/08/04 01:31 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Straight out of Stamets and Chiltons Mushroom Cultivator:
The most practical method for eliminating bacterial endospores involves soaking the grain at room temp. for 24 hours prior to sterilization.
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Mykro_Guy
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Re: soak then simmer? [Re: atomic1]
#3231999 - 10/08/04 06:46 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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kool thandx guys ill just be safe and soak
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Re: soak then simmer? [Re: Ayrios]
#3233447 - 10/08/04 04:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: soak then simmer? [Re: scatmanrav]
#3233830 - 10/08/04 06:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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All im saying is KISS, you dont contam if you dont soak.
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Re: soak then simmer? [Re: Gr0wer]
#3233880 - 10/08/04 06:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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You CAN, Ayrios is right, it depends on the grain. You may get some with a low endospore count but those who get higher endospore counts need the soak. If you don't need it, don't use it but if you get a high number of contams using grains and you aren't soaking but you sterilize correctly and follow all other sterile procedures then you should try soaking. Also if your low on spores or worried about it since it is simple to throw some grain into my PC the night before and fill it with water. Theres is not ONE extra step..whether I wait until the next day or not you still have to measure out grain to get the right amount and you still have to put it in a pot (I use my PC) and you still have to fill it with water and simmer it. You just wait 24 hours before turning on your stove, KISS and better safe then sorry, you dont contam if you do soak.
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