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InvisibleDNKYD
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Crumbling substrate or not?
    #3230069 - 10/07/04 10:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Hey all.
I have 104 oz. Gladware containers that I'll be casing in using Jiffy Mix. I'm doing PF tek cakes in small, 4 oz (quarter pint) gladwares. I plan on using four cakes per casing, doing one casing with crumbling the cakes and the other without. I just wanted to get some input on the crumbling. If I just set four cakes in the 104oz Gladware without crumbling them and then surround the cakes with jiffy mix and put a layer on top, do you think it would work just as good?


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Re: Crumbling substrate or not? [Re: DNKYD]
    #3230253 - 10/07/04 10:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I have done both and sometimes I get more with crumbled, sometimes I get more with just splitting the cake in 2. still testing to see the real difference.


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Re: Crumbling substrate or not? [Re: DNKYD]
    #3230450 - 10/07/04 11:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

the only difference i would guess at would be the surface area available to be cased. as the difference i mean. if you crumble them, much more of the myceliums surface is actually touching the casing and getting it's nutrients directly. :laugh: but then again i could be full of shit, i'm no expert, still in the experimenting stage too.

edit: i mean my cat told me to say that


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Re: Crumbling substrate or not? [Re: Hrethic]
    #3230496 - 10/07/04 11:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Your cat is smart :thumbup:


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Re: Crumbling substrate or not? [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3230513 - 10/07/04 11:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I was thinking if I just threw the cakes in there without crumbling, the mycellium wouldn't be "traumitized" by the whole crumbling process. Maybe it would take a little extra time for the cakes to colonize the rest of the casing, since it wouldn't be a solid layer of substrate below casing. It would be a mix layer of cakes and casing with more casing mix on top. Without the crumbling I was thinking the mycellium could keep going full steam ahead, ya know?


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Re: Crumbling substrate or not? [Re: DNKYD]
    #3230546 - 10/07/04 11:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

well i have a tangent question just trying to absorb as much info as possible for this experiment called mushroom growing

is it possible to just inject a casing or place a partially colonized cake in a casing and have it colonize the substrate anyway if kept in the incubator??


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Re: Crumbling substrate or not? [Re: DNKYD]
    #3230583 - 10/07/04 11:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

They don't get tramatized. They go quite full force. Usually 2-3 days after being cased they're ready to fruit after breaking them up. I actually found when experimenting breaking up rye or keeping it in chunks. Breaking it up colonized the casing layer much quicker and gave me more even pinsets leading to bigger flushes. You break it up you got all sorts of new spots for the mycelium to grow and it all starts growing again (get a little air too) where large clumps have become kind of dormant and don't want to grow outwords because its been colonized for so long it thinks its done. I also had trouble when I cased a few quart jars in the jars without breaking up anything..just popped off the lid and threw on some casing mix and let them go with that. Took a while to get the casing layer colonized. Once I did they turned out pretty good though.

By all means experiment, but these are my results :smile:


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Growing with bags, start to finish (including my new grain and substrate prep)
Anyone looking to start bulk tubs/mono tubs/shotgun hybrids? Good tubs to use..
How I do grain (old still good tips)
Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay


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Re: Crumbling substrate or not? [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3230857 - 10/07/04 11:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks scat. If it's gonna take longer for a more or less same result, I'll just crumble and case.


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