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PF Tek VS. Casing
    #3229050 - 10/07/04 06:36 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

So i am wondering what other mycologists out there have similar or different findings than mine. I am new to the cultivation scene, and of coarse am attempting to see what works best.

I had 44, 1 pint cakes in total, all of the cakes where born within a few days of each other. 22 using the PF Tek with perlite. They seem to grow very slow and had very low weight, only 96 grams dried, this is after 7 weeks of fruiting.

The other 22 cakes where cased using shroom wizards grow guide. 50/50 vermic & top soil then a layer of crumbled cakes then another layer of top soil. All cakes using both methods where kept at the same temp about 79 F. However after the same 7 weeks and many shrooms later, I had 248 grams of dried shrooms from this method.

96 PF TEK
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This leads me to believe I may have done something wrong on the PF TEK? It also leads me to believe I can get even more than 248 Grams dry out of 22 cakes.

Any suggestions?


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Re: PF Tek VS. Casing [Re: djxkon]
    #3229069 - 10/07/04 06:40 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

casing will yield more fruits than a cake, hands down.

i think you could have gotten more weight from 22 pints, but hey, you still did a pretty decent job.


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Re: PF Tek VS. Casing [Re: ZeroArmy27]
    #3229141 - 10/07/04 06:51 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

yes not bad and also some strains are better cased well all are but some work great on cakes and not others and when you say top soil do you mean like planting dirt or was it peatmoss ive never herd of this tek if it was dirt it would colonize then need to be cased, casing is a non nute layer,or did you fruit it like a flat cake? "being all white on top"


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Re: PF Tek VS. Casing [Re: seatrip]
    #3229252 - 10/07/04 07:11 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

It was the gulf coast strain. Top soil I mean planting dirt from walmart. I colonized all the cakes in 1 pint jars to 100% and then cased them by crumbling the cakes into small pieces.
exactly....
50% vermiculite 50% dirt mix and then wet down, crumble cakes on top of that layer and then made another layer on top of the cakes of just plain moist dirt about 1/2 inch deep.

what i am looking for is a way to fruit even more out of that amount of cakes??

whats the best Temp?
whats the best lighting, sunlight?? ect....


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Re: PF Tek VS. Casing [Re: djxkon]
    #3229305 - 10/07/04 07:25 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

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It was the gulf coast strain. Top soil I mean planting dirt from walmart. I colonized all the cakes in 1 pint jars to 100% and then cased them by crumbling the cakes into small pieces.
exactly....
50% vermiculite 50% dirt mix and then wet down, crumble cakes on top of that layer and then made another layer on top of the cakes of just plain moist dirt about 1/2 inch deep.

what i am looking for is a way to fruit even more out of that amount of cakes??

whats the best Temp?
whats the best lighting, sunlight?? ect....



Did you dunk your casings between flushes? I just tried this and the shrooms and my second flush looks like it will be much bigger than my first.

Also, I keep hearing that regular potting soil isn't the best casing material.


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Re: PF Tek VS. Casing [Re: ElectricBoogaloo]
    #3229326 - 10/07/04 07:32 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

what would you recommend instead of the potting soil.


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Re: PF Tek VS. Casing [Re: ElectricBoogaloo]
    #3229327 - 10/07/04 07:33 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Nope no dunking between flushes.
What do you think would work better than dirt?
Maybe Cow manure, if I can buy it in the city?
Or dirt and bird seed mix, or dirt and hay mix?
Maybe no dirt and hay with vermic?

So many options.....


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Re: PF Tek VS. Casing [Re: djxkon]
    #3229335 - 10/07/04 07:34 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I keep reading that you can use peat moss and verm with some oyster shell. How good is this mthod? anyone??


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Re: PF Tek VS. Casing [Re: oddiseus]
    #3229340 - 10/07/04 07:36 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

the real question is where do you get oyster shell, shuck your own @ joe's crab shack?


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Re: PF Tek VS. Casing [Re: djxkon]
    #3229353 - 10/07/04 07:37 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

LOL you can get this stuff at any feed store that sells hay and chickens and that kind of thing.


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Re: PF Tek VS. Casing [Re: oddiseus]
    #3229381 - 10/07/04 07:44 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

So just peat moss and oyster shell? no vermic? ratio 50/50 in layers like i described at the top?


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Re: PF Tek VS. Casing [Re: djxkon]
    #3229403 - 10/07/04 07:49 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

If you have it, plain, PC'd verm works fine as a top casing layer, if a bit slower to colonize than a 50/50 mix of verm and coco.


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Re: PF Tek VS. Casing [Re: djxkon]
    #3229410 - 10/07/04 07:51 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Guys, you're going waaaaay too complicated. If you want to do a comparison, just put some Vermiculite on top of the casing, about a 1/4 to a 1/2 inch thick. It should be sterile and moist, and them blammo, you got yourself a casing. Easiest method, probably doesn't hold as much water or "Case" as well as the fancier shit, but i've seen some DAMN fine casings with Verm alone. It's all in how you care for your stuff the way through.


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Re: PF Tek VS. Casing [Re: krazycure]
    #3229412 - 10/07/04 07:51 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

you want to use verm and peat moss in 50/50 ration and 1/4 cup I believe of oyster shell. The oyster shell balances out the low PH of the peat moss while providing nutrients for the mushrooms.


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Re: PF Tek VS. Casing [Re: oddiseus]
    #3229424 - 10/07/04 07:54 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

So with a casing of just verm...verm on the bottom, crumbled cakes, verm on the top? It's that easy?


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Re: PF Tek VS. Casing [Re: MoneyAddyct]
    #3229439 - 10/07/04 07:58 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Inquiring minds would like to know =)


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Re: PF Tek VS. Casing [Re: oddiseus]
    #3229458 - 10/07/04 08:03 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

shroomwizard.com much love :smile:


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Re: PF Tek VS. Casing [Re: MoneyAddyct]
    #3229471 - 10/07/04 08:07 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Yep, it's that easy. Just be sure to be clean about what you're doing, and you'll have yourself a shit load of shroomies in no time flat.


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Re: PF Tek VS. Casing [Re: Hrethic]
    #3229479 - 10/07/04 08:08 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Does it matter the type of vermiculite? I can only find the finer grade and not the medium grade.


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Re: PF Tek VS. Casing [Re: Hrethic]
    #3229501 - 10/07/04 08:12 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I think you guys are getting spawning and casing mixed up.

Spawning is when you use pasturized and nutritional stuff to make your substrate(i.e.) cake bigger. In most cases, this will need to be cased again.

Casing - Using a non nutritional layers, providing a external source of moisture to the substrate.

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