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InvisibleAntiMeme
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FBI takes down Indymedia
    #3229011 - 10/07/04 06:31 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

http://www.indymedia.org/

This smells fishy.


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Re: FBI takes down Indymedia [Re: AntiMeme]
    #3229032 - 10/07/04 06:34 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Do you feel safer yet?


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Re: FBI takes down Indymedia [Re: AntiMeme]
    #3229044 - 10/07/04 06:35 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

FBI Seizes IMC Servers in the UK

Thursday morning, US authorities issued a federal order to Rackspace ordering them to hand over Indymedia web servers to the requesting agency. Rackspace, which provides hosting services for more that 20 Indymedia sites at its London facility, complied and turned over the requested servers, effectively removing those sites from the internet.

Since the subpoena was issued to Rackspace and not to Indymedia, the reasons for this action are still unknown to Indymedia. Talking to Indymedia volunteers, Rackspace stated that "they cannot provide Indymedia with any information regarding the order." ISPs have received gag orders in similar situations which prevent them from updating the concerned parties on what is happening.

It is unclear to Indymedia how and why a server that is outside the US jurisdiction can be seized by US authorities.

At the same time a second server was taken down at Rackspace which provided streaming radio to several radio stations, BLAG (linux distro), and a handful of miscellanous things.

The last few months have seen numerous attacks on independent media by the US Federal Government. In August the Secret Service used a subpoena in an attempt to disrupt the NYC IMC before the RNC by trying to get IP logs from an ISP in the US and the Netherlands. Last month the FCC shut down community radio stations around the US. Two weeks ago the FBI requested that Indymedia takes down a post on the Nantes IMC that had a photo of some undercover Swiss police and IMC volunteers in Seattle were visited by the FBI on the same issue. On the other hand, Indymedia and other independent media organisations were successfull with their victories for example against Diebold and the Patroit Act. Today however, the US authorities shut down IMCs around the world.

The list of affected local media collectives includes Ambazonia, Uruguay, Andorra, Poland, Western Massachusetts, Nice, Nantes, Lilles, Marseille (all France), Euskal Herria (Basque Country), Liege, East and West Vlaanderen, Antwerpen (all Belgium), Belgrade, Portugal, Prague, Galiza, Italy, Brazil, UK, part of the Germany site, and the global Indymedia Radio site


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Re: FBI takes down Indymedia [Re: afoaf]
    #3229063 - 10/07/04 06:39 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Wow. They just took down their website and didn't tell them anything?


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Re: FBI takes down Indymedia [Re: afoaf]
    #3229072 - 10/07/04 06:41 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

It is unclear to Indymedia how and why a server that is outside the US jurisdiction can be seized by US authorities.

Wtf? That must be bullshit.. Gotta be UK authorities who took down the London server?


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Re: FBI takes down Indymedia [Re: Worf]
    #3229076 - 10/07/04 06:41 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

outputrotation said:
Wow.  They just took down their website and didn't tell them anything?




I have no idea how that works. I would think that the actual physical computer would be considered IMC property, even if it's sitting on their host's rack. Great shades of expectation of privacy!

Maybe it's all part of that wonderful patriot act, "The FBI is hereby given the authority to be secretive assholes and not subject to those silly laws dirty libruls keep creating". :rolleyes:


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Re: FBI takes down Indymedia [Re: unbeliever]
    #3229142 - 10/07/04 06:51 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

If they have a warrant I suppose they have to hand over the hardware, but the strange thing is that Rackspace UK supposedly were contacted by the FBI.

Might have something to do with Rackspace being a US based company, but still..


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Re: FBI takes down Indymedia [Re: AntiMeme]
    #3229323 - 10/07/04 07:31 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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AntiMeme said:
If they have a warrant I suppose they have to hand over the hardware, but the strange thing is that Rackspace UK supposedly were contacted by the FBI.

Might have something to do with Rackspace being a US based company, but still..




They would still have to serve the warrant to IMC, not rackspace, except to get on the premises I suppose, if rackspace didn't want to cooperate and provide consent. Otherwise it's like me saying, sure go ahead and search my roomate's closed and locked room, I'll open it for you. No warrant? No problem!

Ie, it's wrong from where I stand.


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Re: FBI takes down Indymedia [Re: AntiMeme]
    #3229815 - 10/07/04 09:13 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

What the fuck.





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Re: FBI takes down Indymedia [Re: AntiMeme]
    #3229836 - 10/07/04 09:19 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

What the fuck indeed.


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Re: FBI takes down Indymedia [Re: Learyfan]
    #3229846 - 10/07/04 09:20 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Latest rumour: Swiss authorities pissed at a French Indymedia site who published pictures of Swiss undercover police taking pictures of protesters. Swiss authorities goes to US authorities who sends the FBI to London for grabbing Indymedia harddrives. Rackspace unable to say anything, possibly got a Patriot Act gag order.

Hm. Messy.


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Re: FBI takes down Indymedia [Re: AntiMeme]
    #3230264 - 10/07/04 10:37 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

the free radio in my town was raided, last week i think.
all their equipment was confiscated.

i havent followed up to see what the deal was.


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Re: FBI takes down Indymedia [Re: BleaK]
    #3230512 - 10/07/04 11:08 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Orwellian America is right around the corner



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Re: FBI takes down Indymedia [Re: usefulidiot]
    #3230848 - 10/07/04 11:45 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

praise be allah and big brother!


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Re: FBI takes down Indymedia [Re: AntiMeme]
    #3230882 - 10/07/04 11:53 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought that the FBI had no jurisdiction outside the US?


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Re: FBI takes down Indymedia [Re: Phluck]
    #3231922 - 10/08/04 05:47 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: FBI takes down Indymedia [Re: Phluck]
    #3231979 - 10/08/04 06:16 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Problem is, with the partiot act, u.s companys outside the u.s are
required to help u.s agencies.


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Re: FBI takes down Indymedia [Re: AntiMeme]
    #3231981 - 10/08/04 06:18 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

which brings up another glaring difference between kerry and bush: bush wants this fucked-up law to continue.


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Re: FBI takes down Indymedia [Re: AntiMeme]
    #3231984 - 10/08/04 06:23 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Here is a mirror of the Indymedia article that's the suspected target of the takedown:

http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/user/mtoups/nantes/copsinnantes.htm

I'm pretty sure there's a semi legit reason for the takedown, but the manner in which it was executed is very strange.. borders on political censoring.


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