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Offlinealisia
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Casing isnt working please help
    #3226971 - 10/07/04 12:56 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

well i crumbles up my BRF cake when it was 100 % colonized and spread it between 2 layers of pasturized horse poo. Put bACK IN the colonization tank. Once the surface of the poo was covered in mycelium i cased with coco- coir 100%. was nuked and cool before applied. Now almost a week later no growth ....... The casing was about 1/2 inch thick. I scraped a small peice in a corner to see whats up. The mycelium isnt even started growing through the casing.. why is this?????? The surface of the poo is white but unfuzzy. deeper is fuzzy....

Should i leave it?? throw it out??? or crumble it and patch it with pasturized straw?? Any info is deeply appreciated


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Re: Casing isnt working please help [Re: alisia]
    #3227005 - 10/07/04 01:02 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

why did you add poo to your casing? you should have just cased with 60/40 coir/vermiculite. i realize the poo adds more nutrients, but you're pretty new to this by your post numbers (so am i my friend)... what directions were you following with this casing attempt?

i really don't know what to tell you but to wait and see if it's going to work.


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Re: Casing isnt working please help [Re: ZeroArmy27]
    #3227023 - 10/07/04 01:04 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

didnt add poo to the casing. i just cased over the colonized poo


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Re: Casing isnt working please help [Re: alisia]
    #3227039 - 10/07/04 01:08 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

no, you crumbled and cased with poo. why?

you should have just cased the crumbled cakes with the coir, not the poo.


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Edited by ZeroArmy27 (10/07/04 01:12 PM)


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Re: Casing isnt working please help [Re: ZeroArmy27]
    #3227051 - 10/07/04 01:10 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

um no. i crumbled my poo with mycelium. then when the poo was 100 % colonized cased with cocoa-coir no poo in the casing


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Re: Casing isnt working please help [Re: alisia]
    #3227094 - 10/07/04 01:18 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

i crumbled my poo with mycelium.
-that's casing the mycelium with poo.

you should have skipped re-casing the colonized poo with the coir. your poo may have been overlaid when you re-cased. i don't know.

just wait, it might take a while longer to colonize the coir. patience is a virtue.


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Re: Casing isnt working please help [Re: alisia]
    #3227163 - 10/07/04 01:32 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

no, he spawned to poo
IME bulk casings pin faster than ones made with just pf cakes
just make sure you are keeping air exchange high, and keeping the casing good and moist...
often after adding a casing layer to a small bulk casing, it is helpful to throw it back into incubator for a day or two to promote colonization of the casing layer...


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Re: Casing isnt working please help [Re: muse_sick]
    #3227379 - 10/07/04 02:12 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Zero, the poo is not the casing. When you crumble cakes into poo the poo becomes the substrate. Once fully colonized you case your substrate (poo) with casing mix. Its not only more nutrients its more substrate. 2 cakes can make a large casing of poo and make alot of shrooms. 2 cased cakes like hmm say 7-10 grams for a first flush is about average but spawned to poo you could get ounces off a first flush and many more large flushes depending on how much poo you use. Quite a difference then just casing it for waiting the extra week or two for the poo to colonize (and it should be colonized fully, substrate cannot get overlay).

I agree about putting it back into the incubator after casing. That should help but otherwise you seem good to go. Good luck!


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Casing layer colonization and overlay


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Re: Casing isnt working please help [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3227399 - 10/07/04 02:16 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

well ^^ what he said

there is a huge diffrence in substrate and casing material.

its covered in the faq

anyways. just mist it well and wait, sometimes it takes a little bit longer than expected, i dont see any reason to panic just yet..


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Re: Casing isnt working please help [Re: muse_sick]
    #3227402 - 10/07/04 02:17 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I see the biggest problem was using straight coir as a casing it drys much to quickly IME, adding verm to it at a 70/30-60/40 coir/verm will keep that casings moisture a little more stable. Most likely your casing is too dry myc thrives in a casing with a high moisture content "near saturation". ZeroArmy27 have you been reading between the lines again? LOL :wink: I also recommend no FAE and letting that co2 buildup and keeping that casing in the incubator (82-84F.) until myc is noticed on the surface then initiate pinning. GL alisia


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Re: Casing isnt working please help [Re: hyphae]
    #3227451 - 10/07/04 02:26 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

it's more like reading while high. :spliff:

sorry y'all, at least i can admit to my mistakes, no?

i thought she was casing with poo since the title said casing problems...

promise to add dislaimers next time.


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Re: Casing isnt working please help [Re: ZeroArmy27]
    #3227515 - 10/07/04 02:41 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

We all do it :smile:

Speaking of..


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Anyone looking to start bulk tubs/mono tubs/shotgun hybrids? Good tubs to use..
How I do grain (old still good tips)
Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay


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Re: Casing isnt working please help [Re: ZeroArmy27]
    #3227985 - 10/07/04 03:57 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Just given ya shit nothing personal Bro I've done it plenty myself too. Much respects ZeroArmy27 :thumbup:


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Re: Casing isnt working please help [Re: hyphae]
    #3228104 - 10/07/04 04:13 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

so if i has only a few small tiny holes in the shrink wrap. the problems probably low air? will lack of fresh air exchange slow the growth that much??


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Re: Casing isnt working please help [Re: alisia]
    #3228282 - 10/07/04 04:26 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Vegetative growth is increased with higher levels of co2. Incubate in the dark and make sure that casing is nice and moist "glistening" in a warm (82-84F.) incubator. You do not want any fresh air exchange at this time. GL


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Getting the most out of your casings!, A pinning strategy.
Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal :wink:
Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is
Gas Exchange vs. FAE

"We all have priorities. I used a closet once setup a nice little lab trouble was all the shit that was in there ended up in the bedroom that pissed off the GF then I ended up dumping her as she was getting in the way of my sterile culture technique! Ya I got priorities too!!!"


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