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Feds plan to track every car
    #3226689 - 10/07/04 11:29 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40795

Feds plan to track every car
Obscure agency working on technology to monitor all vehicles

World Net Daily | October 7 2004

A little-known federal agency is planning a new monitoring program by which the government would track every car on the road by using onboard transceivers.

The agency, the Intelligent Transportation Systems Joint Program Office, is part of the Department of Transportation. According to an extensive report in the Charlotte, N.C., Creative Loafing, the agency doesn't respond to public inquiries about its activity.

According to the report, cutting-edge tracking technology will be used by government transportation management centers to monitor every aspect of transportation. Under the plan, not only will movement be monitored but it also will be archived in massive databases for future use.

The paper reports a group of car manufacturers, technology companies and government interests have worked toward implementing the project for 13 years.

States the Creative Loafing report:

"The only way for people to evade the national transportation tracking system they're creating will be to travel on foot. Drive your car, and your every movement could be recorded and archived. The federal government will know the exact route you drove to work, how many times you braked along the way, the precise moment you arrived ? and that every other Tuesday you opt to ride the bus.

"They'll know you're due for a transmission repair and that you've neglected to fix the ever-widening crack that resulted from a pebble dinging your windshield."

The agency's website says its purpose is to "use advanced technology to improve the efficiency and safety of our nation's surface transportation system."

Critics believe the program will be used to line the pockets of business interests that stand to gain from the sale of needed technology and that the government will use the data collected to tax drivers on their driving habits.

Though the program has ominous privacy implications, Creative Loafing reports none of the privacy-rights organizations it contacted were aware of the government's plans.

The report states that more than $4 billion in federal tax dollars has already been spent to lay the foundation for the system, which will use GPS technology and other methods to monitor Americans' movements.

The plan includes transceivers, or "onboard units," that will transmit data from each car to the system, the first models of which are expected to be unveiled next spring. By 2010, the paper reported, automakers hope to start installing them in cars. The goal is to equip 57 million vehicles by 2015.

Creative Loafing quotes Bill Jones, technical director of the Intelligent Transportation Systems Joint Program Office, from a speech he gave in January.

"The concept," said Jones, "is that vehicle manufacturers will install a communications device on the vehicle starting at some future date, and equipment will be installed on the nation's transportation system to allow all vehicles to communicate with the infrastructure."

"The whole idea here is that we would capture data from a large number of vehicles," Jones said at another meeting of transportation officials in May. "That data could then be used by public jurisdictions for traffic management purposes and also by private industry, such as DaimlerChrysler, for the services that they wish to provide for their customers."

The plan sees the federal government working with auto manufacturers to place the transponders in vehicles at the factory, giving consumers little chance to drive a new car not tethered to transportation computers.

One of the program's visions is for transportation officials to share collected data with law enforcement, meaning a driver potentially could get a speeding ticket based on information stored in a government computer.

Proponents of the system say the safety benefits are enormous. One goal is to virtually eliminate auto accidents by having vehicles "communicate" with each other.

Neil Schuster is president and CEO of the Intelligent Transportation Society of America, a group of government and business people that's the driving force behind the program.

"When I get on an airplane everyone in the system knows where I am," Schuster told Creative Loafing. "They know which tickets I bought. You could probably go back through United Airlines and find out everywhere I traveled in the last year. Do I worry about that? No. We've decided that airline safety is so important that we're going to put a transponder in every airplane and track it. We know the passenger list of every airplane and we're tracking these things so that planes don't crash into each other. Shouldn't we have that same sense of concern and urgency about road travel? The average number of fatalities each year from airplanes is less than 100. The average number of deaths on the highway is 42,000. I think we've got to enter the debate as to whether we're willing to change that in a substantial way and it may be that we have to allow something on our vehicles that makes our car safer. ... I wouldn't mind some of this information being available to make my roads safer so some idiot out there doesn't run into me."

At least one proponent of the plan is actually using the term "Orwellian" to describe it.

At a workshop for industry and government leaders last year, the Charlotte paper reports, John Worthington, president and CEO of TransCore ? one of the companies currently under contract to develop the onboard units for cars ? described the system as "kind of an Orwellian all-singing, all-dancing collector/aggregator/disseminator of transportation information."


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Re: Feds plan to track every car [Re: ekomstop]
    #3227166 - 10/07/04 01:33 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

here's a link to the original article in creative loafing:
http://charlotte.creativeloafing.com/2004-09-29/news_cover.html

sounds pretty frightening. i hope this never comes to pass.

that's what you get for having the government build and manage your roads for you.


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Re: Feds plan to track every car [Re: ]
    #3227179 - 10/07/04 01:36 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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here's a link to the original article in creative loafing:
http://charlotte.creativeloafing.com/2004-09-29/news_cover.html

sounds pretty frightening. i hope this never comes to pass.

that's what you get for having the government build and manage your roads for you.




Not really. It's more what you get from a fear-mongering right-wing lunatic administration like we currently have. We both agree this tracking thing is a problem, but I'm pretty sure our solutions and to whom we ascribe blame are different.


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Re: Feds plan to track every car [Re: unbeliever]
    #3227253 - 10/07/04 01:52 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Not really. It's more what you get from a fear-mongering right-wing lunatic administration like we currently have.

if you would read the article you would discover that this program existed long before the current administration assumed office.

don't think a kerry administration would be above this sort of thing either.

""The technology is already available to monitor all electronic money transfers. We need the will to make sure it is put in place."

- john kerry


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Re: Feds plan to track every car [Re: ]
    #3227330 - 10/07/04 02:04 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Not really. It's more what you get from a fear-mongering right-wing lunatic administration like we currently have.

if you would read the article you would discover that this program existed long before the current administration assumed office.

don't think a kerry administration would be above this sort of thing either.

""The technology is already available to monitor all electronic money transfers. We need the will to make sure it is put in place."

- john kerry




Right, well Kerry is pretty right winged himself. The whole country has shifted right over the decades, leaving what were moderates appearing as "left-wing crazies" or whatever. If I wasn't so appalled by and opposed to Bush's absolute crap job as president and so determined to make sure he's replaced, I would be voting Green. As it is, I still find a fair amount about Kerry that is palatable, like the catastrophic national healthcare plan among other things. Compromising principles for the sake of reality isn't always a bad thing. :wink:

I'll just be blunt about it, to avoid further confusion. I'm very socially liberal and I am very much an ardent supporter of civil liberties. Tracking where my car is for the sake of some percieved "safety" (from what anyway?) does not agree with me at ALL. If they can't protect us unless they know where everyone is at all times, then we're already fucked by their incompetance.


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Re: Feds plan to track every car [Re: unbeliever]
    #3227411 - 10/07/04 02:18 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Right, well Kerry is pretty right winged himself.

:what:

... who isn't/i] right wing?


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Re: Feds plan to track every car [Re: ]
    #3227502 - 10/07/04 02:38 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Right, well Kerry is pretty right winged himself.

:what:

... who isn't right wing?




David Cobb and most of the green party? Below is an interesting graphic from the political compass site. I'm not saying it's the most accurate thing ever, but I think it does illustrate nicely the general arrangement of the various candidates policies and affiliations.



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Re: Feds plan to track every car [Re: unbeliever]
    #3227687 - 10/07/04 03:10 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

interesting. where'd that chart come from.

i'm curious as to why badnarik is placed so close to center on the libertarian\authoritarian axis.


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Re: Feds plan to track every car [Re: ekomstop]
    #3227840 - 10/07/04 03:38 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Hmm, the scheme described seems a little unrealistic in what is economically possible to do. However the basic idea is around and happening now.

Some cars already have black box devices that has been installed, initially they say the protect them against claims their their airbag deployed wrongly. One has already been used successfully in court to prosecute the driver.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/03/10/airbag_grasses_up_killer_driver/

In another trial insurance companies are offering drivers the option of installing surveillance device for cheaper insurance. Of course if they are the norm there will be no longer discount for having one, just a premium for not.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3574010.stm

As for tracking movement, it is not necessary to install a device in the car, networked road side cameras with image recognition software can already track using the number plate.
They can already issue speeding tickets based on the fact that you passed two points too quickly.


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Re: Feds plan to track every car [Re: ]
    #3227864 - 10/07/04 03:42 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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interesting. where'd that chart come from.

i'm curious as to why badnarik is placed so close to center on the libertarian\authoritarian axis.



Curious as well. That chart is SO off it's ridiculous. I suggest researching the positions of libertarians at least a little bit before you post another picture so replete with fallacies.


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Re: Feds plan to track every car [Re: unbeliever]
    #3227904 - 10/07/04 03:46 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Below is an interesting graphic from the political compass site.




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Re: Feds plan to track every car [Re: trendal]
    #3227992 - 10/07/04 03:58 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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trendal said:
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unbeliever said:
Below is an interesting graphic from the political compass site.







I believe I also qualified it with not being sure how exactly accurate it is. You guys should take their political compass quiz and then see how accurate it "seems" based on the questions, your answers and your own idea of where in the political spectrum you fall.

Also note this isn't a strict left-wing right-wing graph. As to how they determine it, I would guess it's based on applying the answers of the same quiz questions to the candidates, based on their campaign literature, interviews and etc. This page might help in better understanding the premise of the graph.


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Re: Feds plan to track every car [Re: ekomstop]
    #3228051 - 10/07/04 04:09 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

i wouldnt take a source called "creative loafing" very seriously...


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