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 Workman
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 Window of opportunity closing for outdoor azures 
#322375 - 05/21/01 11:53 AM (24 years, 2 days ago) |
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I have been doing other things and haven't planted any additional azurescens beds like I planned. In order to guarantee a Fall crop the beds need to be well colonized before Fall. In my climate (coastal OR) well watered beds planted in June should have enough time to colonize adequately by October. If anyone else has waited until the last moment and still wants to try a Fall crop of azures, I made up a supply of azure syringes. The quickest method to get an outdoor bed would be to prepare moistioned sawdust/chip spawn by sterilizing in quarts like grain, then injecting some of the spore solution and incubate for 2 weeks at 75F. Don't worry about complete colonization and quickly transfer to clean chips in a shady outdoor bed. It is nearly summer and you will probably need to water to prevent the bed from drying out. A mulch of damp straw should help retain moisture. Skipping the grain step should save some time and will prevent vermin from digging in you beds to eat the grains. You might want to start some backup grain spawn with any remaining spore solution. Beds made too late should still survive the winter and fruit the next Fall and perhaps a bit in the Spring with a little luck. Good luck and I expect some progress reports.
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Re: Window of opportunity closing for outdoor azures [Re: Workman]
#322388 - 05/21/01 12:08 PM (24 years, 2 days ago) |
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Workman.. Does the same apply to hispanicas? I mean about the quick wood chip spawn creation and the deadline for getting beds going..
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Workman
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Re: Window of opportunity closing for outdoor azures [Re: egghead]
#322403 - 05/21/01 12:29 PM (24 years, 2 days ago) |
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No, hispanicas can be planted out much later with good success if the substrate is fully colonized. My best results were on fully colonized sterile horse manure, planted out in September with the first rains. Shrooms appeared 4 weeks later. This type of growth habit is the same for P. stuntzii, semilanceata, baeocystis and subfimentaria. The true woodlovers (P. azurescens and P. cyanescens) need a longer outdoor acclimation time.
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 Re: Window of opportunity closing for outdoor azures [Re: Workman]
#322433 - 05/21/01 01:18 PM (24 years, 2 days ago) |
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Thanks workman. I was just going to wait for next year cause I thought I was already to late for an outdoor bed. But if you say it can be done.......... What about someone in the midwest, Do you think there is still time???? Thanks.
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Re: Window of opportunity closing for outdoor azures [Re: Workman]
#322437 - 05/21/01 01:23 PM (24 years, 2 days ago) |
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It was Ps cyanescens that I was thinking about. It's good to know that I can hold off on operation hispanica for a while, though. Anyway, thanks for the heads up on the azure/cyanescens deadline.
Another question on hispanica if you don't mind.. Is the success rate with them about the same as semilanceata? Have you had any luck with them indoors?
Sorry to steer you off-topic.
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Re: Window of opportunity closing for outdoor azures [Re: egghead]
#322612 - 05/21/01 04:42 PM (24 years, 2 days ago) |
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Juttdog: I am only familiar with what works in the Pacific Northwest. It appears that a minimum of 3 months outdoor growth is required to get a reliable Fall fruiting. Starting this late in my area will now require some supplimental watering. If the patch was started in Feburary-March, the weather would have been wet enough to require no tending to get established. The midwest might be to harsh even under the best of circumstances.
egghead: Hispanica is far easier to fruit than semilanceata (which doesn't mean its easy). Of all the temperate species, it is the only one that I have observed to pin on agar in the refrigerator and I did get some primorida formation in an over incubated jar of colonized dung at 50F. I suspect in will fruit readily under the right indoor conditions. Unfortunately some of the potency reports for Hispanica have been dissappointing. I need to do some further research in that area.
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Re: Window of opportunity closing for outdoor azures [Re: Workman]
#324995 - 05/24/01 10:40 AM (23 years, 11 months ago) |
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would you recomend azures for growth outdoors in new england I would asume that the weather would be simular to oregon in temp anyway.
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Re: Window of opportunity closing for outdoor azures [Re: augustwest]
#325030 - 05/24/01 11:37 AM (23 years, 11 months ago) |
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Oregon - November - March, lows of 40 degrees, highs of 45
wet all the time.
Summer - lows of 50, highs of 80.
New England??
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Re: Window of opportunity closing for outdoor azures [Re: Workman]
#326295 - 05/26/01 12:59 PM (23 years, 11 months ago) |
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Today i planted a new azurescens bed. I took pictures of the whole process. Here are two:
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Re: Window of opportunity closing for outdoor azures [Re: Una]
#326301 - 05/26/01 01:02 PM (23 years, 11 months ago) |
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and the second....
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Re: Window of opportunity closing for outdoor azures [Re: Una]
#326307 - 05/26/01 01:10 PM (23 years, 11 months ago) |
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WATCH OUT MAN!!!!! Your arm is in poison ivy!!
;) just kidding... I couldn't resist
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Re: Window of opportunity closing for outdoor azures [Re: shroomeatindude]
#326987 - 05/27/01 12:07 PM (23 years, 11 months ago) |
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Where I live the temp is about 10 degrees cooler than in coastel oregon(im in southern new england). My friend ordered a print and when it comes I'm going to make some sawdust jars for him, then after 2 weeks spawn chips with the jars. Should I sterilize or pastuerize the wood chips before I spawn them, and how thick should the covering be that I place over the chips? How much spawn do you use for a 1'x1'x3"(how deep should it be?) area?
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Re: Window of opportunity closing for outdoor azures [Re: Psilocybin]
#327772 - 05/28/01 10:55 AM (23 years, 11 months ago) |
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I was thinking of fall in new england.
maybe after the other harvest is over.
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Re: Window of opportunity closing for outdoor azur [Re: augustwest]
#328484 - 05/29/01 02:16 AM (23 years, 11 months ago) |
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How does one get the right moisture content in sawdust, and should it be sterilised or pasteurised?
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You shouldn?t use saw"dust", rather a mix of woodchips and bigger chunks of wood, and only very little, if any, sawdust.
Soaking in hot water for seweral hours (until it doesn?t float any more) and then thorougly draining is enough if you are going to use it outdoors, if you?re going to use it for spawn propagation, you?re better off if you sterilize it afterwards.
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Re: Window of opportunity closing for outdoor azures [Re: Workman]
#328629 - 05/29/01 08:45 AM (23 years, 11 months ago) |
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Today I planted the last bed of P.cyanescens for this year.
It consisted of mostly colonized woodchunks, some 15 liter, they were incubating at home since december.
Well, I think I found THE spot for planting woodlovers: under a MAPLE tree near the stem!
At least in Austria, the maple trees shed their bark as they grow, so there is a constant flow of new material that is added to the bed the whole time! A self contained perennial mushroom patch!
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