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Libertarianism and Space Exploration
    #3222996 - 10/06/04 03:44 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,121610,00.html

A privatly funded organization doing something that the Gov't has been doing at a much greater cost? Who'd have thunked it.

Kudos, Burt!


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Re: Libertarianism and Space Exploration [Re: retread]
    #3223009 - 10/06/04 03:46 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

:thumbup: way to go.  space exploration should absolutely not be funded by the government.  that was stupid cold-war space-race bullshit (wasn't it ironic that the pro-capitalist people used government to command investment to 'beat' the communists at a technology race?)


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Re: Libertarianism and Space Exploration [Re: Tao]
    #3223014 - 10/06/04 03:48 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

And look at how that worked! we didn't out spend them, and now we don't exist.


Er, no, wait.


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Re: Libertarianism and Space Exploration [Re: retread]
    #3223037 - 10/06/04 03:55 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

The space race was driven by propaganda value. When advisors asked Eisenhower to promote sending people into space, he understood as a general that the military value was negligible and that any useful research that needed to be done could be done with unmanned craft. When Kennedy came into office, he realized the powerful propaganda of putting U.S. personnel into space and started the greatest welfare program for scientists in history.


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Re: Libertarianism and Space Exploration [Re: retread]
    #3223093 - 10/06/04 04:15 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

And now look at how far up SpacesShipOne went as compared to how far the shuttle has to go. Also look at the length of time the shuttle is in space and the payload it has to carry. Also look at the fact that SpaceShipOne did not take off from the ground by itself while the shuttle has to.

I'm not saying SpaceShipOne isn't amazing simply that it in no way compares to the shuttle as far as it's capabilities.


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Re: Libertarianism and Space Exploration [Re: retread]
    #3223099 - 10/06/04 04:17 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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And look at how that worked! we didn't out spend them, and now we don't exist.


Er, no, wait.






good god, surely even you can't be so stupid as to believe we won the cold war because we put a man on the moon?


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Re: Libertarianism and Space Exploration [Re: Tao]
    #3223104 - 10/06/04 04:20 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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good god, surely even you can't be so stupid as to believe we won the cold war because we put a man on the moon?




Dude, we didn't win. The Soviets out spent us, fair and squre. thats why they are thrivin and we are dyin'
Er, oh, wait.


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Re: Libertarianism and Space Exploration [Re: retread]
    #3223149 - 10/06/04 04:31 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

The Soviet Union collapsed because of economics, communism doesn't work in a large industrial society where specialization is required.


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Re: Libertarianism and Space Exploration [Re: cb9fl]
    #3223176 - 10/06/04 04:38 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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And now look at how far up SpacesShipOne went as compared to how far the shuttle has to go. Also look at the length of time the shuttle is in space and the payload it has to carry.



This is only the beginning.

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Also look at the fact that SpaceShipOne did not take off from the ground by itself while the shuttle has to.



Sorry, you are wrong. The space shuttle does not take off from the ground by itself, there is a large external tank that holds fuel for the main engines and two solid rocket boosters that provide the main thrust to lift the space shuttle off the pad. Besides, what does it matter?


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Re: Libertarianism and Space Exploration [Re: retread]
    #3223573 - 10/06/04 06:23 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

The biggest difference between NASA and any privately funded adventure into space is experience and knowledge. It costs a lot more to invent the science from the ground up than it does to open up a book and study what somebody else has spent a lifetime figuring out. Of course the private sector can do what NASA did for a fraction of the cost because the expensive science and research has already been done.

Also, the complexity is night and day between three minutes of sub-orbital flight and even a single orbit around the planet. Comparing the x-prize flights to the X-planes is fine. Comparing the x-prize flights to anything that NASA, Russia, or China has done, putting a human into orbit, is like comparing a bicycle to a race car.

What I really like from all of the x-prize stuff isn't the fact that a privately funded group put a human into sub-orital space, but rather the way the federal government finally warmed up to the idea that NASA doesn't have to have a space monopoly... I can remember a time not too long ago that the federal government took the position that no private US company would ever put anything into space, let alone a human.


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