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 DocPsilocybin
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 Liberty Cap Dosage? 
#3219383 - 10/05/04 05:38 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well, just recently I picked some liberty caps and now I need to just see what you guys think of this quote:
Psilocybe semilanceata
(Liberty Caps)
CAP : Orange to yellow, tan when dry, conic to flat wavy with age
GILLS : Smokey redish brown
STEM : White, hollow, bluing when bruised
HABITAT : Bark mulch, lawns, and wooded areas
SEASON : October through December
DOSAGE : 1 large shroom, 1/5 oz. wet, 1/4 gram dry
Does that dosage seem a bit low? I'd rather go low than high. But should I really take a quarter gram of dried lib caps?
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Edited by DocPsilocybin (10/05/04 05:59 PM)
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vc77
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Yeah thats a bit low... Try a gram dry first and move up.
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DocPsilocybin
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Thanks bro!
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Sin Bad
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The description given is DEFINATLEY NOT that of Liberty Caps (P. Semilanceata).
That sounds more like P. Cyanesens.
Have you got Liberty Caps- or something else.
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CanonPants
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I think that's just to show you the Psilocybe content per shroom, not necessarily that that should be the dose in which you should take.
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 Gumby
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Thats not a description for liberty caps, thats a description for Psilocybe cyanescens. I don't know the dose for libs but I know it's definately higher than that of cyans.
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 Re: Liberty Cap Dosage? [Re: Gumby]
#3223394 - 10/06/04 03:41 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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theyre still pretty potent tho so dont underestimate them, id go with 10 grams fresh or 1 gram dry to start with
first time i tried libs i done 14 grams fresh and had a high level 4 trip which i wasnt expecting at all.
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MovingTarget
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All I been taking recently is liberty caps since my hosue is surrounded by them lol...
I dont have a decent weighing scales so i go bout number of rather than grams...
Ive had a really intense trip on a brew of 45 but just a medium strong trip on about 100
it all depends on you i think...
Also the description you gave definitly doesnt sound like liberty caps, what country you at?
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 Re: Liberty Cap Dosage? [Re: Gumby]
#3223566 - 10/06/04 04:22 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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about 25-40 lib's is a resonable amount to take for your 1st trip wont be massively intense, But will be enough to give you a suitable idea of what its all about. also as for "movingtargets" comment about varying strength he is spot on. occasionally you may have a particularly strong trip from only a small amount of fresh liberty caps so beware. Also docpsilocybin i think you are way out with your dosages of lib caps and if the pic under your name is what you think are libs then i can catagorically say that they are not and the discription you gave of them is incorrect, go picking with someone who knows there stuff.. and untill such time as you can cofidently i.d a shroom dont even think of eating it!!!
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Unfortunately, Erowid, who posted the above dosage and id came from my safe-pik mushroom guide. They posted the text for several of the liberty caps on the cyans and vice- versa.
one fresh ounce of liberty caps or twenty to forty fresh specimens or 1/3 fresh ounce. or one dried gram to two dried grams for those with experience.
mj
2 to 4 doses in a fresh ounce./
The description and dosage you posted for above are for P. cyanescens. It should not have been linked to the liberty cap photo.
mj
I edited and corrected the one dried ounce to read one fresh ounce.
Thanks to Joshua for the noticing of my error in tying.
mj
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Re: Liberty Cap Dosage? [Re: mjshroomer]
#3224137 - 10/06/04 06:29 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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A good dosage for P cyanascens a quarter gram dry? Are they really that potent?
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Re: Liberty Cap Dosage? [Re: Heffy]
#3224261 - 10/06/04 06:55 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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YEs some baby shrooms have been know to get for to six or more people off on a dried gram. But a dried gram of cyans are potent. Especially if they are littloe mushrooms.
mj
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 Re: Liberty Cap Dosage? [Re: mjshroomer]
#3224301 - 10/06/04 07:04 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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MJ... where do you get these numbers? If I had a dried ounce of libs (we'll pretend these are eaten in a dream state where laws do not matter) would you eat them?
I'd say a dose is close to an eighth ounce on average. That's a medium trip for me, I'd imagine that most would be fine with half of that.
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Edited by Joshua (10/06/04 07:05 PM)
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Re: Liberty Cap Dosage? [Re: Joshua]
#3224539 - 10/06/04 07:57 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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The numbers of Libs I hear people eat doesnt really add up to the trips I personally experienced off only about 3-4g's, which is certainly way less than 100 liberty caps, yet my trip was out of this world, and that's not the only time i've tripped my balls off on that amount of liberty caps.
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Re: Liberty Cap Dosage? [Re: Sin Bad]
#3225118 - 10/06/04 10:01 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well, these are the ones that I picked. Liberty caps I'd imagine. 
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Edited by DocPsilocybin (10/06/04 10:13 PM)
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Re: Liberty Cap Dosage? [Re: CanonPants]
#3225158 - 10/06/04 10:08 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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i can tell you that i personally at 3 good sized libs (approx 1/2 gram) the other night and had a level 2 trip.
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Edited by Delirium_in_BC (10/06/04 10:10 PM)
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DocPsilocybin
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Quote:
dorsethunter said:
about 25-40 lib's is a resonable amount to take for your 1st trip wont be massively intense, But will be enough to give you a suitable idea of what its all about. also as for "movingtargets" comment about varying strength he is spot on. occasionally you may have a particularly strong trip from only a small amount of fresh liberty caps so beware. Also docpsilocybin i think you are way out with your dosages of lib caps and if the pic under your name is what you think are libs then i can catagorically say that they are not and the discription you gave of them is incorrect, go picking with someone who knows there stuff.. and untill such time as you can cofidently i.d a shroom dont even think of eating it!!!
Heh, the picture under my name is a handful of B+ from a casing I grew. I'm pretty confident I can ID liberty caps.
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Re: Liberty Cap Dosage? [Re: mjshroomer]
#3225205 - 10/06/04 10:16 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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mjshroomer said:
Unfortunately, Erowid, who u posted the above dosage and id came form mty safepik mushroom guide. They posted the text for several of the liberty caps ont he cyans and vice versa/
one dried ounce of liberty caps or twnety to forty fresh specimens or 1/3 fresh ounce.
mj
2 to 4 doses in a fresh ounce./
That is the description and dosage you posted for P. cyanescens. It should not have been linked to the liberty cap photo.
mj
I think you're bang on MJ. That description I posted was from the Safe-Pik Mushroom guide. I must not have been paying attention.
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Sin Bad
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The shrooms in the new pics are definatley liberty Caps. (p. semilanceata).
Deliruim - you had a level 2 trip off 3 liberty caps?!?!?!?! either you must be super super sensitive or those were the biggest, most potent 3 liberty caps in history.
In my exeperience you can feel the effects in a dose as low as 10 single shrooms, but we're talking threshold effects. Getting a level 2 trip off 3 liberty caps... well, that's a first.
I would advise you (Docpsy) try 20 liberty caps on your first dose - and then work from there.
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Re: Liberty Cap Dosage? [Re: Sin Bad]
#3225727 - 10/06/04 11:40 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks SinBad! I think I'll just weigh out a gram and eat that. Eating random numbers of shrooms never really appealed to me.
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Quote:
Delirium_in_BC said:
i can tell you that i personally at 3 good sized libs (approx 1/2 gram) the other night and had a level 2 trip.
Something in that statement doesn't match up. Placebo, maybe?
Liberty caps are not that potent.
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Re: Liberty Cap Dosage? [Re: Joshua]
#3227038 - 10/07/04 11:08 AM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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Joshua, that dosage is correct for liberty caps. There are two to three doses in a fresh ounce. Lincoff and Mitchell in their pioisonous and Hallucinogenic Mushrooms books also list this dosage as does Haard and haard in their p Hallucinogenic and Poisonous Mushroom book. Stijve has conducted clinical studies using human volunteers and one dried gram is an average dose for someone who never ate libs before. the 1-2 dried grams is the normal dosage for the liberty cap mushroom
20 to 40 fresh is average for most people.
My first trip I aaate 24 in 1973 and barely felt anything. SO the next day i collected over 400 fresh specimens of semilanceata. I told my wife we should eat about forty since3 I kinda felt a little on the 24 I ate the day before.
as I counted them out, she suggested we both eat 60 shrooms each. That weighed in at oine fresh ounce each.
After a few minutes of thought, I put ten of mine back into the bag when she wasn't looking. I figuered soneone had to be in control.
Anyway WE both saw and experienced what R. Gordon Wasson wrote about in his Life Magazine article tot he world on his experience after re-discovering the use of these mushroonms in Mexico.
mju
have a shroomy day
Haard and Haard also recommend a mixture of twenty blue ringers with twenty semilanceata shrooms.
mj
still a total of forty for a good trip.
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Re: Liberty Cap Dosage? [Re: mjshroomer]
#3227522 - 10/07/04 12:42 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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What you are saying now is in line with my thoughts as well. However, this is what you posted earlier and is what I was questioning you about, "one dried ounce of liberty caps or twnety to forty fresh specimens or 1/3 fresh ounce."
I think a dried ounce of liberties is bound to accel the user to the point of no points and may explode the user.
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Re: Liberty Cap Dosage? [Re: Joshua]
#3227656 - 10/07/04 01:04 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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Heh, "to the point of no points and explode the user" I love it! 
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ryagaric
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if ure a first timer try 40 the good thing about libs is that they wont knock ure head off in low dosage like some other species i.e ps cyan ive been as low as 30 and as high as 300.reverse bungi jump.and still laughed my ass off every time. libs are a quality trip be brave 
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Re: Liberty Cap Dosage? [Re: ryagaric]
#3228032 - 10/07/04 02:04 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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yea libs are great 
Hawaiians are nuts though, i took 10grams wet... and that was a fuckin crazy trip
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Re: Liberty Cap Dosage? [Re: Joshua]
#3228551 - 10/07/04 03:06 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks for the report of an error in my above post. I did not notice it. I corrected and added a thank you for letting me know note.
mj
As for a dried ounce an the effects,
Lets not forget the mother and two young just turned teenage boys of hers in Menton France who ate two fresh ounces of Copelandia cyanescens in a soup. Can you imagine what they went through.
have a shroomy day,
mj
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Re: Liberty Cap Dosage? [Re: mjshroomer]
#3228954 - 10/07/04 04:21 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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Got a link to the article?
I ate close to three ounces of fresh cubes once. Needless to say I didn't exist anymore. I experienced being reborn into my body when I returned to conscious awareness...it was quite interesting. Not being prepared for such an event would have been horrifying.
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Re: Liberty Cap Dosage? [Re: mjshroomer]
#3229089 - 10/07/04 04:43 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
mjshroomer said:
As for a dried ounce an the effects,
Lets not forget the mother and two young just turned teenage boys of hers in Menton France who ate two fresh ounces of Copelandia cyanescens in a soup. Can you imagine what they went through.
that would be intense!
pretty harsh ride for somebody not knowing what the fuck is goin on. ouch
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Psyclops
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Re: Liberty Cap Dosage? [Re: Psyclops]
#3233037 - 10/08/04 12:27 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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any link to the article?????
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Re: Liberty Cap Dosage? [Re: Psyclops]
#3233046 - 10/08/04 12:30 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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Would have been scary as fuck
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Re: Liberty Cap Dosage? [Re: Psyclops]
#3233293 - 10/08/04 01:39 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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The original article is in Frencch so I will post it later after my new shroom site opens in a few days. i have a lot of work so I would have to dig it out from the filing cabinet and then scan and post it. May take a wild. In the meantime a reference for those of you who have library access at a local Univ.
Heim, Roger., Hofmann, Albert., and Hans Tscherter. 1966. Sur une Intoxication Collective a Syndrome Psilocybien Causee en France par un Copelandia. Comptes Rendus Hebdomadaires des S?ances de l'Acad?mie des Sciences vol. 262:519-523. January 24.
This report of an accidental intoxication of Copelandia cyanescens by a mother and her two adolescent children occurred in Menton, France in 1962.. Over 60 grams of fresh mushrooms were consumed causing a most terrifying experience. In French.
I have a partial English translation somewhere. not sure. Let me check real fast.
Hm, cannot find it right now.
Its my B-day so have a shroomy day to all,
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Re: Liberty Cap Dosage? [Re: mjshroomer]
#3233333 - 10/08/04 01:51 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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happy birthday MJ! 
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 Re: Liberty Cap Dosage? [Re: mjshroomer]
#3233471 - 10/08/04 02:50 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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hey mushroomjohn, happy birthday man!!
you really have helped a lot of people, i dont think there is any way we could possibly repay you for all your info.
but if you ever need anything from us just ask.
peace and thanks again!!!
ninjazerozero
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micachu
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Semilanceata is more the less white in their stems, while they are dry it can change to black/ purple kindah colour.
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Re: Liberty Cap Dosage? [Re: micachu]
#13324559 - 10/12/10 07:31 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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I was thinking about doing 2g of dried libs for my first time.
Good idea or not?
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Re: Liberty Cap Dosage? [Re: micachu]
#13326220 - 10/12/10 02:50 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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depends on so much ; )
some only need to start with half of that, its different. Ive heard 2g is a medium dosage though.
accept you as you, just be but let go, pure is only and so on.. (just some queries to go along with)
I would not reccomend anything regarding usage but some says better before than after
What y should do is to do some research about other who have enjoyed different species of thus and take it from there, knowledge my friend, some say its power but its actually so much more.
could the subject be moved please?, erius: I see you posted at the very wrong page  I can also registrate that this post are from some few years back also
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Re: Liberty Cap Dosage? [Re: micachu]
#13326487 - 10/12/10 03:54 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why are you commenting on a dead thread from 6 years ago?
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I took 2 small libs but they were very purple along the edges, and I can definitely feel something.
( I'm microdosing )
( very purple along the edges I believe is a good sign for strength and activity )
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( very purple along the edges I believe is a good sign for strength and activity )
The cap margin is purplish due to spore deposits, it has nothing to do with potency.
Besides, this thread hasn't been active for over 9 years.
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