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Re: Spore Vendor Complaint [Re: McMan]
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this is good to know McMan, I am not going to show favor to any vendors here, all vendors are treated the same, if some one attacks a vendor, they will be dealt with, but that vendor should also have the right to defend himself. sockpuppets will be burned at the stake, this is childish BS and it all stops right now. It's time people grow up and act like adults.

Sorry Mcman I wasn't here when your thread got moved, Nobody, except thor are 3D, should be moving threads out of forums, not moderators who are not moderating that paticular forum, like this one. I will defend McMan one this one.

TAZ

"Out of chaos...comes order...." AND THE FSR..


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Re: Spore Vendor Complaint [Re: McMan]
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Very nice research McMan. I am impressed. Now lets see how this holds in the community. So so many camps out there, or rather cliques, in this community on a world of different subjects and concerns. (growing, vendors, even thoughts on off topic discussions) We are a counter culture group and it always shocks me how commercial this all really is. Also how much negativity to each other there is. Just be peaceful enhance your karma. It will pay off, especially when the vast majority of us are doing something blatantly illegal. But Im sure Im asking for a flame right now for preaching peace.

-Peace



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Re: Spore Vendor Complaint [Re: McMan]
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McMan... You have nowhere to talk about puppets... It seems that you had your own name "cosmo"?!? You are just as guilty as he is so don't try and say that you better in any way than he is. If you think that the way he advertises his products is going to get you in trouble then get as far away from here as you can. I'm not saying that 12BLate isn't him but you threatening to cause trouble on these boards will only get you banned.

"lying, deceitful money-hungry salesman"

- Seems like many people said that about you also....

"KEEP YOUR SPAM OFF OF OUR CULTIVATION FORUM!!!! "

- OUR???? As in yours??? Far from it. The Shroomery may not be here today if it weren't for Ryche. He deserves respect no matter what he does.

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Vendors vs Community [Re: 3DSHROOM]
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You have nowhere to talk about puppet... There's no effort at all going into exposing/banning sock puppets. And it shows in the volatility of the 'community'.

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Re: Spore Vendor Complaint [Re: McMan]
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You even tried to get free spores from Ryche in his contest!!!! Now you are bashing him... What a hypocrite..

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Re: Spore Vendor Complaint *DELETED* [Re: McMan]
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Re: Spore Vendor Complaint [Re: McMan]
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Leaving for good??!!! Say it ain't so, mcman!
Your evidence may be circumstantial; but it's compelling.
You're on a tear...keep it up.


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Re: Spore Vendor Complaint [Re: JeeLiX]
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McMan was not banned and he requested that his moderator privs. be removed.

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Re: Spore Vendor Complaint [Re: 3DSHROOM]
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Ummm ok but thats not what I read.

In reply to:

Taz, they just removed my "M" moderator position (without warning) because I just challenged Hawk's reputaion here!!!

Can you believe this? They will let Max get raped by Thor, but I can't expose the truth about Ryche's low-life scamming on the community!!!!

Please Taz... keep my vendor complaint up in this forum so that people can see the truth ok? They have removed it from the other forums, even tho that's where they hung the Capn for similar behaviour.

What's the deal? Is this favoritism? I don't really don't know!

McMan





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Re: Spore Vendor Complaint [Re: JeeLiX]
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3D will investagate all this, let him do his job. as far as Mcman and what happened that is between 3D & McMan, please lets not air out the dirty laundry here.

"Out of chaos...comes order...." AND THE FSR..


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Re: Spore Vendor Complaint [Re: JeeLiX]
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McMan was removed from moderating the Mushroom Cultivation forum by request. Out of respect for him I let him still be able to be a general mod where he can see the mod forum and some of the things like that but he couldn't close or edit anything. After he threatened to cause trouble if anyone closes his post I had had enough. We don't need peple like that around here. If he would have presented his concerns to myself before cross posting in many forums then it wouldn't have been so bad. Call it favoritism if you want.

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Re: Spore Vendor Complaint [Re: McMan]
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I wasn't aware that mjshroomer owned part of the shroomery or that he sold that part. Noone has told me anything about that. I know he doesn't pay the monthly hosting fees.... I'm glad you exposed the truth... if it is truthful. Ryche is not the only vendor that sells their spores on this site. SporeWorks has a banner in Advanced.. And just incase you didn't know, selling spores is not illegal. How long has the shroomery been alive with people selling spores?????? A LONG ASS TIME

"since you guys have failed to honor our rights of safety then I will most definitely move on to another community that doesn't allow this kind of threat to carry on. "

- What community doesn't allow people to sell spores on their site?(directly and/or indirectly)

Who said you bashed Ralph???

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Re: Spore Vendor Complaint [Re: McMan]
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yo mcman, to claim that you created cosmo out of noble reasons is BULLSHIT, in his first posts he SPAMMED the mc. then you denied being cosmo and LIED like a hundred times when i and others called you on it. you are just as bad as ryche and max. and fuck you all. greedy lying pieces of shit.


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Re: Spore Vendor Complaint [Re: Dirtmaster]
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Can we just stop all the bullshit? Lets just stick to what we do best, growing mushrooms. There wouldn't be nearly so many
"cliques" around the shroomery if people didn't keep posting these divisive and threatening diatribes.

No offense Mcman, I respect you and appreciate your knowledge and contributions to the community. I feel the same way about hawk. Honestly, if who gives a shit if someone has a sock puppet? I don't feel compelled to purchase his products because someone is giving him praise.
It is not the most honest thing to do, but really I don't give a shit.

When a two year old child misbehaves in order to gain attention, the correct thing is not to indulge him and give him the negative attention he craves...it is to demonstrate the falacy of his actions. The only thing to do is ignore it. Vendors thrive on discussion, whether good or bad. Hopefully, we will show that we respect honest and hardworking members who contribute a great deal to the community, such as the Sporeworks. Ryche used to contirbute a lot more, but seems to be very taxed recently.

Mcman, I know you dislike the politics that goes on here; do yourself a favor and don't start things like this. If you feel that the community is threatened by ryches alleged actions, then leave. If you care about the communtiy, the way to fix it is not so start a public debate "exposing" the demonic behavior of Hawk. It is to write him an email explaining your suspicions, and encouragin him to do the right thing.

Im tired of all this...lets just chill and let things happen.




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Re: Spore Vendor Complaint [Re: Dirtmaster]
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My 2 cents on all of this is that you must take what you see, learn from it and make your judgements that are for yourself and leave it alone. If you can see through a vendor, see that they are "out for the buck" or whatever, then avoid them. Keep it as your personal wisdom. I can uderstand when you see all this and its starts to burn you up, but it does no good at all to try to regulate it. Its a free country.

If you get blamed for spamming and the other guy doesn't, who cares. You make a better name for yourself by never even commenting on it. I think PF is a great company, been around for years. I do not agree with the bashing of PF, but it will never do any good for me to start a fight over it; I will be the idiot in the long run.

I notice Sporechicks hardly ever post here and I think its cause they don't even want to get started with all the crap. I can respect them for that. The best cannabis seed vendor I have ever seen hardly ever posts on the cannabis boards. But all of his customers and word of mouth reputation speaks for itself. I really like Sporechicks myself as a personal favorite, but have been concerned that they were getting burned out on the buisness. I hope they are ok and keep up the great work they have been doing for some time now. I really respect their reserved participation in the forums.

Spam will draw in the newbies, but they will learn over time; if they stick with the hobby, who is who and the actual best suppliers will get good word of mouth reputations.

McMan, you have to let it all go; I know its hard. Otherwise it will eat you up and in the long run you will see what a waste it was to even try. I think most of the vendors here are good and the product is all that matters. Just avoid the ones you don't like and have a good time.

Alien

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Re: Spore Vendor Complaint [Re: Alien]
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I find it so plesant to live in denial. This business is becoming as cut throat as any other in corprate america. GOD bless America!!!!!!!!! peace
ALDER_057



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Re: Spore Vendor Complaint [Re: McMan]
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I like knowing who the puppets are. I think McMan has a good point. I like to know who I am talking too. I do not like biased opinions by puppets. I figured out a few of them on my own around here. I think that egos are getting in the way with what we all enjoy around here , mushrooms. I already have my own personal opinion about most of the venders.
Peace
Cornbread


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Re: Spore Vendor Complaint [Re: cornbread]
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sock-puppeteering is not innocent and harmless, it is deceitful and manipulative.

worse, it does work. read the excellent book "influence" by robert cialdini for an introduction to the psychologics of manipulation. or turn on your tv and start noting every fake testimonial in commercials, used because it works and people don't realize it. or read threads and notice how opinion can be swayed by one single eloquent and well written post.

i don't think we should just let every lying motherfucker get away with it.

what's especially distasteful is that it is often the dudes who only post positive mature stuff that have a sockpuppet or two to do their dirty work. fuck that and fuck sockpuppets.


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Re: Spore Vendor Complaint [Re: cornbread]
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Are those your golfing shoes mcman? They have enough holes in them from shooting yourself in the foot.

'ralphster is my friend' you say, and yes, it's very evident as you have continously tried to undermine the operations of mycelf and ryche. Who's will you be trolling next? Pf? Sporeworks?

You and jeelix talk about 'the truth'. You wouldn't know the truth if it slapped you in the face. The truth was labled as a sock puppet because he supported me. Maybe you are a sock puppet of ralphs? There is certainly more than 100 posts by you supporting him.

And I was never 'hung' or 'raped', I merely had a bit of substrate flung at me by a troll or two. YOU

3d, did I read this right? Did you say that on one hand you 'don't want his type around here' modding but on the other 'out of respect, he is still a general mod'?

I guess what I'd really like to know is, where did you gain any respect for that guy in the first place? Was it from his continuos spamming when he first joined the shroomery? Was it from the way he would attack me everytime I would mention he was doing wrong? Or perhaps it was from the fact that he inspired us to form a vendors forum where scammers like him to promote $1000 garbage cans called 'cultivators'?
Perhaps it was when mcman 'turned over a new leaf, saw the other side of the coin and was reborn as spam fighting mod, deleting, locking and threatining to ban anyone who did anything remotely resembling what he himself had done only weeks earlier.
Which prompted me to speak up again along with others, who were deemed puppets and probably, like myself, threatened with banning by a now-disposed mod....and yourself!

Another post by mcman leaves the shroomery looking like a garbage heap. Good thing ther are other threads to visit....

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Re: Spore Vendor Complaint [Re: Alien]
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Sigh.... Ok here we go again...

First, mjshroomer has never owned any of the shroomery... Ythan is the founder, Aphex then took control after Ythan became tired of  this place and needed a break.... Aphex then turned control over to me and 3D, as for ownership the website is under my name and I take care of the bills ...

1st let me say this, I exposed Max because he was causing a lot of trouble, calling people names, insulting the moderators/admins, accusing people of having sock puppets, etc..... He sent countless emails to me and 3D that were less than nice, so he had it coming to him IMO...... We also had proof on that, so far I don't know if  3D has found any proof of your accusations, but it does seem very suspicious to say the least.....

What I don't get is what you want McMan, in your eyes you exposed a sock puppet of his, so what else do you expect? We didn't ban Max, we are not even considering any action.....

You yourself have been accused of having a sock puppet, Cosmo, so I wonder how do you get off blasting someone for having one when you yourself do?!?

You are on a mission it seems to attack Ryche, you obviously hold a serious grudge and won't let it go... You did what you wanted, let people decide on their own how to take it... DO NOT threaten the moderators, and DO NOT insult me personally saying that I AM BOUGHT... I FUCKING RESENT THAT....:mad: .... My actions are always what I believe to be for the benefit of the shroomery, your actions lately seem to be geared towards the destruction of the community rather than helping it.... You went from an admired and respected member to this bitter/angry/hostile person I see now....

I am trying to step back away from this kind of daily bickering, we now have lots of good people in moderator positions who are empowered to handle these kinds of situations.... Me and 3D are not going to be the ones in the middle of these things anymore, moderators will close and move improper threads and if any particular users cause more trouble than they are worth, the moderators will ban them.....

I frown on sockpuppets, but exposing them is one thing, asking to start a war over it is childish... People decide on their own what to make of it, don't tell us how to handle it, if we banned users who had sock puppets, you McMan would be on our small ban list.....

Now lets move on, this is getting tiresome.

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Re: Spore Vendor Complaint [Re: Dirtmaster]
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I think it is pretty obvious that this all has to do with where alliances lie.

It is sad to lose someone who contributes to this community like McMan. That being said....It would be sad to lose someone like Ryche too, but if he is involved in this then he needs to come clean and earn everyones trust back.

I am not taking sides here...I have no ill will towards anyone here and no preference for anyone involved in this arguement. However....

It seems like there is an incredible double standard going on here and it is ridiculous. How is it fair to attack McMan for this , when it was done once before with no reprocussions to the other person? It obviously isn't.

It would be wonderful to have this all cleared up in a fair manner but I doubt that will happen.

Sorry to see you go McMan....I would urge you to reconsider but I am sure you won't. Let us know where you will be heading to so we can continue to learn from your experience. You have contributed a lot to this community and have been friendly to the newbies such as myself. Thanks for that!

Karen



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Re: Spore Vendor Complaint [Re: Thor]
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I'm glad you are finally seeing what mcman was about, when I tried to point it out I was labeled as a troublemaker, etc.

Obviously I'm ahead of my time.
I would lock this thread in about 3....2.....

Take a trip to the Spore Lab @:
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Re: Spore Vendor Complaint [Re: Karen]
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Is it just me or does karen put add a little niceness to a very bad situation??

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I think the thread should be locked at least until ryche gets back from vacation and can at least respond to all of the concerns

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Re: Spore Vendor Complaint [Re: dimitri211]
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dimitri.. Your tag line says it all.. ;)

Even the small fortunes have their crimes..

Edited by egghead on 05/20/01 07:50 PM.



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Re: Spore Vendor Complaint [Re: egghead]
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was that a rip?? egghead
also I have a link to ryches site I have tried to add others but it is not working. I try to put links on my sig. for newbies because I do try to answer there questions

www.thehawkseye.com
Sacred Mushroom Spores
behind every great fortune there is an even greater crime

Edited by dimitri211 on 05/20/01 07:56 PM.



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Re: Spore Vendor Complaint [Re: JeeLiX]
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Taz, they just removed my "M" moderator position (without warning) because I just challenged Hawk's reputaion here!!!

Can you believe this? They will let Max get raped by Thor, but I can't expose the truth about Ryche's low-life scamming on the community!!!!

Please Taz... keep my vendor complaint up in this forum so that people can see the truth ok? They have removed it from the other forums, even tho that's where they hung the Capn for similar behaviour.

What's the deal? Is this favoritism? I don't really don't know



Ok, simple, McMan threatened to cause problems, he theatened moderators... Can you see why his 'M' was removed? He stepped down from moderating this forum, but we neglected to take away his powers, so when he brought up threats against this place he lost that power immediately.... That would happen to anybody who did the same, thats not favoritism... In fact I considered McMan a friend, we used to communicate via prvt messages in the past..... Then he just went on this mission to dictate to us how to run this place, and if we didn't agree we get called biased, bought, playing favorites etc....... Of course he's totally innocent even though he has a sock puppet too!

As for the mush cult thread being moved, its because I NO LONGER moderate. Senor_Doobie, bluehoney, Lizard King, and mitchnast run that forum now.... And one of them felt your post inapropriate there, so thats why it was moved.... When I posted in your thread about Max, I felt it should stay there because it wasn't a new post, it was in a current thread that went to shit before I posted mine.... Its a double standard if I was still moderating, but I am not.... New moderators, new rules, you can't compare Max's post to this one....

McMan, you have a HUGE hard on for Ryche, please leave it in the background... You did this post about the sock puppet, nothing wrong with that, but don't push it... Threatening people is TOTALLY unacceptable, and you trying to start up a huge war is not going to fly here....

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Re: Spore Vendor Complaint [Re: Thor]
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there has been a few reply's to close this thread down, I say allow ryche his right to reply to all this. after all it's directed towards him, then it will be shut down.

"Out of chaos...comes order...." AND THE FSR..


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Re: Spore Vendor Complaint [Re: dimitri211]
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No, it was not a rip. It just looked like your tag line was the new THE marketing slogan. "behind every great spore vendor.."

It's not my place to comment on it really, though. I didn't looks through all of McMan's evidence. Not sure what's going on, but I'm no friend of puppeteers.


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Re: Spore Vendor Complaint [Re: egghead]
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Re: Spore Vendor Complaint [Re: ralphster44]
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As a moderator of this forum, I feel that it is now necessary to move this to the "Rodney King forum". There are valid arguments and I hope to see us all come to an honest resolution. This, at the same time is kind of like unraveling a sock pupet mystery/conspiracy that rivals even the best of Springer. Keep up the good work boys (and girls) on both sides of this united front.
"Cant we all just get along?"
peace
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Re: Spore Vendor Complaint [Re: McMan]
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Everybody....deep breath....

Alright.

I have nothing to do with this debate....I'd like to think of myself as objective about it....or at least less biased than a lot of the people who have posted here so far....so here's what I have to say.

McMan, from what I can tell, Thor and 3D's main issues with you were not that you attacked Ryche. The problem was your attitude, especially towards them, and threatening to make people's life hell.

Sometimes, when I see people taking things too seriously here, I start to reply "It's just a website". But....it is a little more than that. It's a community too. And disagreements happen in any community. But that doesn't mean we have to be hostile about it. Nobody's perfect. You could reply to this message with quotes from me being not so civil to people. But it's not very often....

I think you're taking things too seriously, McMan....you may say you hate the politics, but I see you engaging in them. Sure, a sock puppet sucks, but is it worth freaking out over?

Isn't our reputation supposed to be that of the stoner? Cool, calm, reserved? I see a bunch of people up in arms trying to yell at each other.

Max, McMan, everybody else who's freaking out. Masturbate, take some time off from work, smoke joint, I don't know what, but just settle down. Chill. Don't take life so seriously.

Final thought - McMan - hopefully you will realize it's not worth leaving the Shroomery over. You're a resource for cultivation and could be of much help if you stick around. If you feel you can't - maybe a new nick? I don't know.

I guess I have one more final thought. Last time I wrote this, I believe it was to Senor_Doobie. And I was right.

If you say you're leaving, you'll be back.

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Re: Spore Vendor Complaint [Re: McMan]
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You have some valid points McMan and I cant agree with you more on the security issue. Security of the members of this forum and their continued saftey should be paramount over all concerns. I hope you do not leave over some sock-puppet drama.

At times one remains faithful to a cause only because its opponents do not cease to be insipid.
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Re: Spore Vendor Complaint [Re: McMan]
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In reply to:

Since it is illegal to possess spores in the state of Cali and Hawk contributes to breaking the law by selling the Cali residents spores (for $50 risk fee) then this is a good sign that the vendor is not practicing safe business procedure and is subject to the law. This is no different than a vendor contributing to a minor by selling alcohol to them? It's illegal for a minor to possess alcohol and it's illegal if you contribute to the law being broken by selling the minor the whiskey.


In reply to:

Just because someone has a good rep as a vendor doesn't mean that they practice safe business practices for your benefit. Be careful and deal with the ones that you feel comfortably safe to deal with and enjoy your research!!


well, b4 i respond to these quotes above, i need to clear up some shit b4 someone jumps down my throat and accusses me of being a "sock puppet". first & foremost, i am not a sock puppet, I live in California (thats y im responding to these quote)
my tag reads ~fortyounces2freedom~ & ~disconnected haze~., ~disconnectedhaze~ is my girlfriend/future wife:)...i am very proud of our union & bond that we have,
therefore, ~disconnectedhaze~ is not a sock puppet either.,
like i said, we both live in Cali, we are both members in this community & we are 2 different people., & also there are numerous people & mod's that would back me up to where i live. (thru trades, business, etc.)
sorry to ramble, but looking thru threads like this one, i feel it is very necessary to "clear" the air B4 shit gets smelly.

so at last, my response to the quotes.,
i believe it is only right (in my opinion) to say that spore vendors know that their spores arent being used for microscopy...being so, in some way shape or form, they are an accessorie to "breaking the law", to the best of my knowledge, cultivation is against federal law., and by supplying spores...dot,dot,dot... you catch my drift.
even if a spore vendor sends/sells spores to someone living in cali, there is no way to pin point exactly where it came from., (no return addy.), and being so...there is no extra "risk"
spore vendors are already taking risks.,
is 1 more "risk" that much of a hassle, that you have to charge a $50 risk minimum....i dont think so...
i believe that "$50 minumum" isnt a risk compenasation, it is a method of being "just out for a buck", & that is why i would never order from ryche...even if i was to order over $50 anyway. i'm not trying to slander ryche at all, but i find it unfair to charge extra, when there isnt any "extra" effort on the part of the vendor. anyone see where i am coming from???
people here are criticized highly, when all they do is thank the spore vendors for doing business the right way, word of mouth is very important in the little business of spore vending.,
i myself, have only ordered from SW, they didnt charge any extra "risk" minimum charge. they didnt not abuse the fact that i live in a fuct up state with retarded laws.,
if any "laws" broken, where do the vendors get their spores? their ass?...no....they have to grow them....i would assume that is illegal right?
That right there is the biggest risk in my eyes.
i've never heard of a sock puppet from SW, i've never even heard of a single complaint. all praise here.
the 2 lines above, does that make me a "puppet"?
well, since i live in cali, i cant be unless i have some superman abilities...but thats another story...
people need to chill out, smoke a bong rip, & realize that we are all here for 1 reason., our beloved HOBBY.
McMan: Dont Bail, you are very respected here.
your post as with all the posts from anyone & everyone else's
is all geared the same way...to find out what is right...in any situation in this community.
i believe you would gain much more respect if you didnt bail, that would show a true shroomerite to the community.

Everyone:
In reply to:



"your post as with all the posts from anyone & everyone else's
is all geared the same way...to find out what is right...in any situation in this community.":smile:



o... & 1 more thing....the next time you dose/trip...dont forget about your toes:)....thats another thing people take for granted.....lol....;)



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Re: Spore Vendor Complaint [Re: McMan]
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ha ha.. i love that stuff..and Captain Jack your absoluty right
chill out guys..smoke a jay....

psychedelics and websites don't mix soo well it seems....


should we call it the Hippie Syndrome?

the drama was allways the best about the shroomery..I mean all cutivation Question were asked and answered before...so all we have is drama and we have plenty of it..

I love you guys

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Re: Spore Vendor Complaint [Re: Captain Jack]
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Damn...
Go away for a little bit and come back to an interactive soap opera. Can I have a bit part? I really wouldn't care for the lead. How about the disgruntled boyfriend whose girlfriend's...
Yeah, It'd be nice to smoke a jay and let the truth drift away...
Everyone involved is gonna need a little grass but the underlying issue(s) need to be more than simply addressed. To be frank, I think this sock puppet shit will never end. Unless "12BLate" was generated, over a year and half ago, in order to discredit Ryche Hawk today, I find it hard to believe that bird is flying straight. $50 for a risk fee (I'm on the east coast-thank Spirits), and BOLDLYslandering/discrediting other vendors does not make me believe the statement :
"He deserves respect no matter what he does."
I know you people read "The Farm" years/decades b4 me.
Thats why I feel sockpuppets are responsible for saying "no new vendors". Let's keep it a monopoly and destroy all "competition." I don't mean to imply that Hawk is swine. I just feel my stomach turning, is all. I mean endorsing/blowing up your product is one thing in and of itself. But slandering the competition...
But its All Good 'cause... "He deserves respect no matter what he does." Hate me if you want to. I know nothing of Cosmos. Did "he" try to sell his product by slandering competitors?
Mighty bold for a stranger,eh? I really used to like this place. Mcman don't go. If everyone who shows a little balls leaves this won't be our forum. Fuck an exclusive community.No one
leave, everyone investigate injustice. If there is no proof we can "police" our own where will we turn to?
" I am an army of one."
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Re: Spore Vendor Complaint [Re: McMan]
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What a sad freaking day this is. I jump on to check for an important email when a member directs me to this thread.
All I have to say is, check 12Blates ISP compared to mine. I am not this person. He is however, a long time customer of mine and has drilled me endlessly in emails for help. He is a good customer and apparently stands up for me at times and McMan has taken that very far out of context. It looks like he stepped on your toes in another thread and called you a dictator.
Looking at the dates, this guy was just posting over the weekend, so it certainly would not be hard to pull up some login dates and check ISP's.
Then after I'm proven innocent, kick McMan the fuck off The Shroomery, and ban his ISP. I've had enough of his crap.
Thanks for setting a bunch of vicious rumors againts me and getting people to believe this shit.
Just because your MC business failed you have continuously attacked me in your non shilant ways.

I'll be back tonight to address this more I dont have time right now.




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Re: Spore Vendor Complaint [Re: Ryche Hawk]
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Unfortunately we do not log IP's on the BB.

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Re: Spore Vendor Complaint [Re: 3DSHROOM]
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I was told by Aphex before he implemented the new BB that ISP's could be checked and banned.
This would help eliminate a lot of the trolling going on around here and bullshit like McMan just threw out. I even made a post about it back then and Hippie3 (banned once and logged in under a new nick mushroom messiah ) was quick to jump in and complain because all WebTV users have the same ISP.
If it can be done, I think Aphex knows how to do it. I'm sure he could pull up something from 12blate and show its not me. This customer I think was in ORegon, which will certainly have a completly different ISP server then my @home in Arizona.


This sure bites to come back from a relaxing camping trip and a great weekend of experiencing mushrooms, only to find this instigating troublemaking McMan spreading his lies and attacks againts me once again.
Take that freaking "M" off his name, he doesn't deserve those kind of privaledges around here or anywhere.

<sigh>.... I need to go cool off for a while before I say something I might regret.




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Re: Spore Vendor Complaint [Re: Ryche Hawk]
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He no longer has mod priveledges. There is no way to match a person visiting the site...which would be the only IP logging that occurs.....and a person posting a message on the BB or logging in to the BB. Aphex modified the scripts so that it doesn't do this.... Not even the admins can see the IP of the person posting ( which is not how it usually is).

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Re: Spore Vendor Complaint [Re: ralphster44]
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For one, the IP thing is null. I can proxy in under hundreds of different Ip's and as long as I have my Java set right, you wont trace my actual IP. Same with email headers, they can be proxied real easy. I can appear to be from Russia, China, and any state in the US. That one is out the window.

As Jack said, McMan will return. He is really into the hobby and its hard to say forever. I find myself returning even though I thought I was gone for good. You just have to return with a better mindset, there is nothing wrong with a break and the last words you make are not unforgiven.

I know how this all started, I was here then. McMan was kinda spamming his product and Ryche came in and gave it hard criticism. Then not to long after, the DB kits came out. I just think its a mutual butting of heads of 2 guys that have good ideas and intentions, but the egos get a little out of control.

Like I said before and Jack has reflected the philosohpy; just steer clear of each others threads. Let the other start his thread or respond in one and just skip to something else. Quit trying to come out as the winner in a no win situation. Sit back and laugh, have a good beer or a nice pleasant smoke.

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Re: Spore Vendor Complaint [Re: Alien]
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Like I said.....the host does log ip's (every web server software does) but it does not save the ip of the person who posts an individual message on the BB and like Alien said, it is easy to spoof an IP.

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Re: Spore Vendor Complaint [Re: Alien]
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nothing like good ol' mutiproxy huh!!

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Re: Spore Vendor Complaint [Re: dimitri211]
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dimitri, you hit it right on the head. Of all the years I been doing this, Multiproxy is the best I ever seen. Their import list has hundreds of bouncer proxies.

Alien

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I love it I use everytime I am online but if you are new to it you better remember how you configured it if you do it wrong or you will be screwed Alien you are moderator please look at my post about no on giving a shit about the board

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Re: Spore Vendor Complaint [Re: dimitri211]
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Dimitri, be sure you use the right proxies, some of them have security holes. Heres how to check a proxy. Use this link below.

http://www.all-nettools.com/pr.htm

If your proxy has security holes, it will say in red "proxy server detected" If it says in blue "no proxy server detected" then that is the ones you want to use. I have found that the IP or DNS proxies seem to be the most anonymous and reliable.

Alien

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Re: Spore Vendor Complaint [Re: Alien]
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Thanks for wasting my time with this lame drama McMan.

There is so much I would like to say to all of this. I am not even sure where to begin.
More freaking drama I have to deal with. Its par for the course about once a month for someone to attack me in such a way and I have to waste my time defending this BS. This time McMan, you have not only wasted my time, but my customers time that I need to be working on their orders, and the time of the moderators. And for what, to once again attack me. Yes you have motives and I will show that.

Before I get into that I would like to say to those of you that believed this shit right out of the gate without even waiting for me to get back from camping and respond.....%$#@%$  YOU ! But then again I should just forgive you since McMan is very manipulative. Dictators usually are.

As for ISP logins. First off, I know nothing about this form of security and would love to learn. I even posted this in a thread about a month ago when Dystopian Harbinger claimend he knew a lot about hiding ISP's.
Look up the thread ppl. I asked him to start a new thread on this and teach ppl, even myself, because I dont know shit about that. And I should... I would love to learn about masking my email address because of all the emails I answer regarding culitivation. That is the ONLY security issue ON LINE that I worry about.
All other angles have been covered.
So Alien, you seem to know a lot about this and have a good level head on your shoulders, why dont you start a thread in General Questions and teach all of this. For the 2nd time I ask someone from the community to help us with this. Email me when it happens please.

Now, in some what of my defense. Aphex told me a while back the new BB could track ISP logins, and they could even ban an isp. I was all for this to kick some of these trolls out that constantly created new accounts or made up blatant lies and attacks againts ppl, even me. A great way to rid some of the riff raff arond here and I hope this gets implemented soon because this thread now exposes the fact that ISP's can not be logged unless the server is called :frown:. Get rid of these trouble making memebers. One of them is even anther spore supplier, not max, that has done this for a long time as most of us know.
I was under the impression this board could track ISP's. I even responded in a post about it just before the new BB went into effect. Anyone care to find that thread for me? Hippe3 as Mushroom Messiah is in that thread as mentioned.
I have talked a lot with Thor through private messages about the Shroomery, but never once have I asked him if ISP's could be tracked,...I'm sure Thor could vouch for that. or any other mod and all other mods could vouch for that.  So I have been happily under the impression they could be tracked, so why would I come here as a sock puppet ??? Especially after Max just got exposed for using a different member name.
Like I said before, if the ISP's can be checked.. check them... I am not 12blate.

This is such as a waste of time. #$@#$%#$ YOU McMan.









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Re: Spore Vendor Complaint [Re: McMan]
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God you are the weiner McMan.

This is so fucking silly, I feel guilty for looking at it, I'm going to get my penance now.

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Re: Spore Vendor Complaint [Re: Ryche Hawk]
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On a whole other subject... stop giving Thor and 3Dshroom shit. They dont play any favoritism towards me... just respect and nothing more. They keep things nuetral around here the best they can. What a freaking job that is..... why do you think Aphex stayed off the boards all those years. To much DRAMA !!!!
This drama is a waste of time !!!

Although they are very helpfull towards me because yes, I do help with server fees for the Shroomery. I have for 2+ years, without any banners flying here I have always helped to pay for server fees here and even motivated ppl once to send in over $1200 for new equiptiment for The Shroomery., and a big part of that came from my own pocket. WHY??? So YOU and I and all mushroom enthusiast could around the world could enjoy the Shroomery existance. This place was in serious jeapordy once of being shut down because the fees could not be paid. It was making no money. It was about Aphex's time and love and money from his own pocket that made the shroomery exist. And I helped him keep it alive by paying some of those fees.... no banner was flying then either BTW.

The Shroomery is one of the most powerul tools on the net for learning about mushrooms. Well it was until the new BB changed the search function and Aphex removed many old archived info. But their is still a lot of info stored on the current amount of storage they bought. All of the older info is stored waiting for a home. Which he had mentioned about putting on another server or website. In fact I would even be willing to pay for that server and space to make that information available to everyone once again.
The Shroomery ROCKS !!! I love this place, even though I am not here 24/7 like many, knowing that it is here and available to mushroom growers around the world is worth donating money. Weather my banner flies or not. I want the existance of the shroomery for all of us. Their is very little politics involved here. I hardly talk to these guys. I've had one or two messages with 3Dshroom in all the years I have been here. And a few business and personal messages with Thor. We dont sit around and discuss who to ban or who to make mods etc... its nothing but respect towards each other and love and desire to see The Shroomery exist.

So get off them. It really pisses me off as well when you ppl say they are bought. WRONG !!!!






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Re: Spore Vendor Complaint [Re: Ryche Hawk]
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that got the point accross and you did not spend all day lashing out at everyone and replying to each post with more bullshit to say GOOD JOB

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Re: Spore Vendor Complaint [Re: dimitri211]
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Thank you Dimitri211 for your support as well. D211 is another customer that stands up for us againts BS and has our website as a link on his sig? Will I now get accused of being dimitri211? I want to thank all of you that stands up for us when shit is slang at me when I'm not on the bb's 24/7.

McMan, you have over 100 post supporting Ralphster44, should we accuse you of being him?

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Re: Spore Vendor Complaint/ RYCHE read [Re: Ryche Hawk]
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I am nobodys puppet of any sort thehawkseyecom has always been strait up honest and answred all my e-mails before I even new about this board in fact I think it was him that told me to check it out THANKS RYCHE I love this board most of the time

OH and Ryche I always include a few extra bucks in my spore orders and I tell you to donate to something donate it here to help improve this board if you would like

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Edited by dimitri211 on 05/21/01 11:21 PM.



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Re: Spore Vendor Complaint [Re: Ryche Hawk]
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Ooops.. I take part of that statement back. When elections were held I wanted a fair vote. Instead of McMan being put into the mod position without a vote. Personally I wanted BlueHoney... she rocks... great vibe.
the vote was rocked by a cheater, McMan was put in as mod of the spore vendor forum instead until a fair voting system, script, could be made, and I just left it alone to give him a chance. Maybe the guy really could change as he promised. I was wrong. That is pretty much my only political stance of messages with Thor.......... hang me :wink:.


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Re: Spore Vendor Complaint [Re: Ryche Hawk]
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ok people, this has gone on long enough, I wanted Hawk to have his chance to respond and he did, I closed both threads conserning this issue because I feel it is starting to get out of hand. Hawk gave his answers, it's up to the community to decide, I would just hope that we can put this behind us and move on.

Hawk if there was anything else you was wanting to add please pm me and I'll see what I can do, but I would rather this just die down now.

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