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OfflineHidingInPlainSight
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Entheogenic Plant Adoption
    #3208885 - 10/03/04 03:15 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

An Entheogenic Plant Adoption thread would be beneficial to those wanting to start their own ethnobotanical garden, or for those who are generous enough to give up a plant or two for a beginner to start their own...
Do you think an Entheogenic Plant Adoption thread would be beneficial to the community?
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Edited by HidingInPlainSight (10/03/04 03:29 AM)


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Re: Entheogenic Plant Adoption [Re: HidingInPlainSight]
    #3209454 - 10/03/04 11:55 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Ive got some Pedro cuttings i would trade for some P Torch cuttings.


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Re: Entheogenic Plant Adoption [Re: HidingInPlainSight]
    #3209693 - 10/03/04 03:21 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

yes, why not plants if seeds are traded too?


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Re: Entheogenic Plant Adoption [Re: HidingInPlainSight]
    #3209902 - 10/03/04 04:09 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

That is a splendid idea. I would be happy to contribute.


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Re: Entheogenic Plant Adoption [Re: HidingInPlainSight]
    #3210939 - 10/03/04 09:14 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

You mean a free plant thread like the free print and free seeds threads? That might work. What about national boundaries? It's a lot harder sending a live plant overseas than seeds. If I send someone a plant it usually has to be within usa because of the need for phytosanitary certificates and so on.


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Re: Entheogenic Plant Adoption [Re: HidingInPlainSight]
    #3211489 - 10/03/04 11:29 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

National boundaries would pose a problem in some cases.....though I think there would be much less of a problem if no soil was sent with the plants....


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Re: Entheogenic Plant Adoption [Re: HidingInPlainSight]
    #3212192 - 10/04/04 01:59 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Cactus are CITES, i doubt many are willing to pay, and many would be pissed if/when they get nabbed by the border nazi's.


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Re: Entheogenic Plant Adoption [Re: HidingInPlainSight]
    #3212533 - 10/04/04 03:49 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I would suggest something more structured than current free seeds threads.

I.E: Person with said plant makes a post giving their plant up for adoption. The creater if the post decides who gets it based on guidelines they set... (Requests for Plant via PM as one example)

Or a member on the board posting that he/she is looking for a certain plant, and then a person who has that plant sending them a PM about what they can do to adopt the plant.

^^^^
To keep that part of the system from getting too cluttered, we could encorporate some kind of post expiration on requests..

If you look at the results, 18 people have voted yes, while nobody voted no.


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Re: Entheogenic Plant Adoption [Re: HidingInPlainSight]
    #3213813 - 10/04/04 02:59 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

i voted yes too, its a good thing to have. just be tons of grey areas that would need some deep thought and consideration.


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Re: Entheogenic Plant Adoption [Re: kadakuda]
    #3214132 - 10/04/04 04:03 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Kadakuda: I would love for you to help & pitch in ideas. We can make this work and be extremely helpful to the Ethno-community. Do you have AIM?? PM me with your screenname and we can discuss these grey areas and what we can do to prevent troubles.


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Re: Entheogenic Plant Adoption [Re: HidingInPlainSight]
    #3214284 - 10/04/04 04:33 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

not to spam or nothing...

but www.ethnoseeds.com has a live plant trading section as well

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Re: Entheogenic Plant Adoption [Re: HidingInPlainSight]
    #3215357 - 10/04/04 08:54 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I think it's a great idea and would also be willing to contribute!


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Re: Entheogenic Plant Adoption [Re: entheoindole]
    #3215573 - 10/04/04 09:40 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

entheoindole said:
I think it's a great idea and would also be willing to contribute!




:thumbup: :thumbup: PM me.


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Re: Entheogenic Plant Adoption [Re: Hooty]
    #3215691 - 10/04/04 10:04 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

i don't live in US, i think the thread could be worldwide, why not?
if the one whose picking the item takes the risk of having the plant seized by customs, which are tighter in some countries and looser in others...
a thought on sending plants and soil... of course the plant should not have any soil if possible (specially for INTL trades), at most some moist sphagnum if required...


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Re: Entheogenic Plant Adoption [Re: HidingInPlainSight]
    #3216255 - 10/05/04 12:25 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

its a good thing to have. just be tons of grey areas that would need some deep thought and consideration.




I too share these sentiments; this is why I haven't voted or posted yet. It seems like the thread could be prone to chaos and perhaps fights, rip-off artistss, perhaps law breaking, and more. Though trying to run some thought experiments on these scenarios has been a little hard, and I must admit I haven't had much time to devote to pondering the nuances of such a working thread. One thought that comes to mind almost immediately would be, would the thread be lasse-faire or require some maintenance?

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not to spam or nothing...

but www.ethnoseeds.com has a live plant trading section as well




If one already exists there, why not use it? Perhaps try to contribute to it or give it ideas. And help evolve that thread, policy-wise, quality-wise, and in ease of use. I'm sure deff, though i'm not putting words in his mouth, may be interested in some help.



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if the one whose picking the item takes the risk of having the plant seized by customs, which are tighter in some countries and looser in others...




Whose responsibility would it be to make sure one isn't violating the laws of another country? Both parties, moderator, or other? Would having a plant seized by coustoms technically constitute breaking a law? Would we want to technically condone that or maintenance that by sustaining such a thread?

Some ad hoc ideas.


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Re: Entheogenic Plant Adoption [Re: neuro]
    #3216325 - 10/05/04 12:38 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I am willing to give anyone who is interested in Rivea Corymbrosa cuttings a free one. PM if interested. Let's kick this off. Spread the love!


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Re: Entheogenic Plant Adoption [Re: neuro]
    #3216404 - 10/05/04 12:55 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

responsabillity in case of illegal plant (which should be avoided of course) relies on the receiver only... (should, i believe).
i think this is a good rule. no illegal plants... but then again laws are different in many countries (_jurisdiction_ is a key word here) but i believe no one here would grow illegal plants...


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Re: Entheogenic Plant Adoption [Re: HidingInPlainSight]
    #3216451 - 10/05/04 01:05 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

i dont think whether the plant is illegal or not is teh real issue. the problem to me is that NO plant/animal can legally cross a border without paperwork. im willing to bet not many, if any, are willing to do so making all plant trades technically illegal. i would personalyl just rather wing it and send 3 day reg mail and hope for the best. the idea of trading to me is to save money, but once you need to pay for paperwork and possibly inspections it is no longer cheaper.

also it is, in the govs eyes, the responsibility of the sender to get all this shit taken care of. which means teh reciever is gonna have to send money to the person. many will have a problem with this. many will most liekly get ripped off. i think it could work, but it would be an honour system. i personally think it would have to be a pm bases to avoid any legal issues being linked to the shroomery.


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Re: Entheogenic Plant Adoption [Re: kadakuda]
    #3217528 - 10/05/04 11:09 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

>>be a pm bases to avoid any legal issues being linked to the shroomery.


Which can be done at any time, especially in the marketplace or on deff's site.


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Re: Entheogenic Plant Adoption [Re: HidingInPlainSight]
    #3218029 - 10/05/04 02:06 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I'd say rather than a thread like the free seed thread, just have individual plants offered for trade. The two parties would then be responsible for working out issues. The way it is now with seeds, you have no choice over who takes your seeds and you have to send them to whoever. Although, someone set a precedent by turning down a newbie in the seed thread recently. That's another problem, with newbies you are taking a chance.

If someone sent their end and didn't receive a plant for whatever reason, they will be pissed and likely to give a bad rating no matter if it was customs or not. Many plants can't survive a long journey and even in usa might need priority mail. International mail usually takes a couple weeks or longer for a package. Letters go fast but it took over 7 weeks for me to get a plant from africa one time. It was a cactus and survived but most plants will not live that long in a box. Small plants and cuttings can be sent first class and go fairly fast.

One possible solution is to have a thread for usa, one for europe and perhaps other threads for other areas. That would eliminate the need for paperwork and shorten the journey considerably. It seems like it's either that or make it all one on one where they both have to agree to the details. What about the newbie factor? Someone with no rating and few posts is a risk. Should the person sending be allowed to approve or disapprove of who takes his item? If a newbie takes an item and you know you will have to spend some money sending a plant, you are not going to want to take a chance on the newbie sending to you. When it's seeds, you are out just a stamp and some seeds. With a plant you are out a lot more. Requiring at least one trade feedback would be a solution but when I suggested it before, a few said it was a good idea but it never got off the ground. Otherwise, the thread will just end when a newbie is the last person.

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