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Re: Exsistance is pointless... (prove me wrong, pl [Re: WhiteRussian]
    #3210863 - 10/03/04 06:46 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

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thats what religion is for. :smile:

ol




:wink:

Religion or sorts with agendas. Thats why I like the pointless take, and that we are free to make our own up as we go along.


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Re: Exsistance is pointless... (prove me wrong, pl [Re: ShrooomKing]
    #3210902 - 10/03/04 07:00 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

:smile:


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Re: Exsistance is pointless... (prove me wrong, pl [Re: ShrooomKing]
    #3210974 - 10/03/04 07:31 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

I believe we are here for a purpose, but I have no proof. I posted one what Emerson wrote about how easy our lives would be if we figured out what it is that we are here to do.

I think I figured out what I was here to do. Finding out the reason for why I am here helps with living on a daily basis. If I have purpose in life, I won't be sitting around wondering what's the point, and why shouldn't I just go ahead and put a bullet in my head.

If I am here to help people, then if I put a bullet to my head, I am cutting short my life here, and someone I was meant to help further down the road won't be receiving the help he would otherwise be getting.

I know that sounds egotistical, but I just really believe we're each here to do something. There's the butterfly effect that our existence puts into motion, even though we may never see it. Anything I may have caused to have happened will not happen with my absence.


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Re: Exsistance is pointless... (prove me wrong, plz) [Re: ShrooomKing]
    #3210982 - 10/03/04 07:33 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

We are all here together, so for people to use psychedelics and learn of a more favorable consciousness is a good start, but the purpose of life might be to get others to live too. if you're now "enlightened," share it! You'll be glad you did, the people you tell will be glad you did, and it could give you a sense of accomplishment for doing something relatively simple, giving purpose to your life.


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Re: Exsistance is pointless... (prove me wrong, plz) [Re: ShrooomKing]
    #3211016 - 10/03/04 07:44 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

When you realize that you have no purpose, you can do so much more.
Einstine knew this, look at how he changed the world.......I cant tell you how to let go, just do it, the same way you move your arm, just do it....:)


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Re: Exsistance is pointless... (prove me wrong, pl [Re: ShrooomKing]
    #3211058 - 10/03/04 07:54 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

will it ever be the eternal ice cream cone?

nope.

everything changes, including you. be aware that you have become something other than what you used to be... it is dificult, because before, you knew what was going on.

how did you know?

well, i dont think you knew right away! you just waited until one day you just assumed a role in life.

now your eyes are open to much more possibility. perhaps you should wait a little while to see what role you and the universe decide to play together? the universe is a big place, why shouldnt you have some patience for it?

the moment never passes. so just live in it.

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Re: Exsistance is pointless... (prove me wrong, pl [Re: ShrooomKing]
    #3211194 - 10/03/04 08:29 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

Im hungry too


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Re: Exsistance is pointless... (prove me wrong, pl [Re: ShrooomKing]
    #3211575 - 10/03/04 09:48 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

It is pointless to discuss the pointlessness of existence.  It is pointless to suggest existence is meaninglessness because it only causes us to lose respect for ourselves and our own existence. 

If there is no purpose to the ever-going-on, there is no reason to talk about it because such idle chatter only distracts us from the wonderful freedom to make our existence meaningful.  If the ever-going-on has it's own meaningful nature, then there is still no reason to dwell on the fact, because it is the same distraction obtructing us from actually discovering what that meaning might be.

The solution to your problem, ShroomKing, is to stop conceiving it as a problem.  Don't worry.  Be happy. :smile:


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Re: Exsistance is pointless... (prove me wrong, pl [Re: ShrooomKing]
    #3212093 - 10/03/04 11:42 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

I learned recently that there is no point to existence, other than what you give it. Simply put, life is the greatest gift, because with it, anything is possible, but without it, there is nothing. How can one so easily scoff at possibility.

At least that's what I'm using for a while to help me make it through the day.

But why should one believe in such things, why hold on to some idea that there is a point to all this living when so many things seem to say otherwise? Because believing that life means something and being wrong is far better than believing it doesn't and being right.

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Re: Exsistance is pointless... (prove me wrong, pl [Re: ShrooomKing]
    #3212644 - 10/04/04 02:56 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

Entropic:
the energy you put into your response is amazing!! wow just wow


gettinjiggywitit:
you said: " When life runs dull and flat, look for some creative inspiration and create something with it."

I have chosen that as the new focus in my life, for the time being atleast. Thank you.

Alan stone:
you said "The fact that existance is pointless, is exactly its point. "

now i'm no philosopher, but damn, i'm very taken back by this. i think we have a winner. hehe. I've understood the whole pointless arguement, but to put it so bluntly, nice.


to everyone else:
Thank you all for your posts, i will take each to heart....

peace & love
shrooomking


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Re: Exsistance is pointless... (prove me wrong, plz) [Re: ShrooomKing]
    #3212786 - 10/04/04 05:50 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

All I ever wanted as a college student was a place to call my own, to reflect by decor my inner life, and to be a safe place to trip balls. I wanted a beautiful girl, but not necessarily marriage, perhaps a marriage, but I was not interested in having children. I thought, "perhaps a small apartment with a couple of nice Indian carpets and a big shiney brass incense burner, and bookshelves for books and music."

I dropped out of college for a semester, changed majors, finished college, then alternated between menial jobs and higher education. I thought that if I remained in a high state of mind, I could happily work on a loading dock or something. WRONG. I had to find something that an INTP type personality could best fit with, and despite the ups and downs of life, meaning must be sought through the niche that you discover for yourself, in the process of being true to yourself (and that means true to your type). Otherwise, you find yourself in alien territory, which is apparently where you are now.

It's not about rejecting money, it's about discovering a life-style that fits YOU and doing what is required to maintain that lifestyle. There aren't any Donald Trump, Hugh Hefner wannabes at this site so pure materialism isn't even the issue. It's also about finding a partner with the same basic values and no hidden agendas. Through your lifestyle, and the occupational niche that is both capable of supporting that lifestyle and one which makes sense to your strengths (so that work isn't strife), you can pursue the Great Work, the Philosopher's Stone, the Pearl of Great Price, or whatever you want to call THAT which imparts Ultimate Meaning to existence. Without the Philosopher's Stone to transmute existence, you will only have existential 'dross,' not Alchemical Gold.


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Re: Exsistance is pointless... (prove me wrong, pl [Re: ShrooomKing]
    #3212962 - 10/04/04 07:49 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

the essence of philosophy is not the possession of truth but the search for truth, regardless of how many philosophers may believe it with their dogmatism. Its questions are more essential than its answers, and every answer becomes a new question.


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Re: Exsistance is pointless... (prove me wrong, pl [Re: ShrooomKing]
    #3213480 - 10/04/04 11:42 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

I have generally found that if someone thinks that existence is meaningless and pointless, usually that person has nothing going on in his/her life.

I have a point to my life, regardless of whether it will mean anything after I am dead. I am here to be a lawyer and to help people.

Now, if I have a point to my life, then it makes sense that each day has a purpose. I am going to get up, take a shower, and go to work, because I love what I do. Almost everything I do has a reason, because I have a point to my existence.

If I have no point to my existence, it will not really matter what I do each day. There's no real reason for me to do anything. Eventually, I will ask, "What is the point?"


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Re: Exsistance is pointless... (prove me wrong, pl [Re: ShrooomKing]
    #3213883 - 10/04/04 01:14 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

I love existing, i live for the moment while trying to get to grips with sorting out my future.

I dont have any beliefs about religion, mushrooms are slowly changing that, but unless i get firm evidence that points to there being someting after death I still believe life is pointless. This is a lil hard for me to explain but bear with it for my opinion...

In the end we all die right? and surely humans will all die out eventually too. Even if we manage to occupy other earth like planets there has to be a limit... So if there comes a time when theres none of us left, there be a time when theres nothing to show for it either, so why bother now? It probably has something to do with evolution, consider a mouse... it doesnt know much about anything other than how to survive in its enviroment, there are generally no other factors to its survival other than its own food, and avoiding being food for other animals... we're evolved from the same source as the mouse is... We try to survive, but theres one big diference. A higher state of awareness allows us to consider mroe about our future, but its still not as powerfull as the natural drive to survive. Life on earth was a pure fluke anyway right? If we all knew the entire universe would collapse tomorow most of us would make the most out of our last hours, pointless but no diferent from eating a bar of chocolate or smokin, a complete waste of time but enjoyable for a short time. Its no diferent from the pointlessness of living, but if people struggle to give up smoking and chocolate how could we ever come to terms with the ultimate futility of life. Thats just my opinion. i dont let it bother me, as thers nothing i can do about it.
I still smoke...


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Re: Exsistance is pointless... (prove me wrong, pl [Re: ShrooomKing]
    #3213985 - 10/04/04 01:31 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

only you can prove to yourself by wanting it :P hehe life is what you make off it? can someone learn how to count to 100 without self wanting to count to 100? hum. rewards are tricky :P


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Re: Exsistance is pointless... (prove me wrong, plz) [Re: ShrooomKing]
    #14275914 - 04/12/11 12:21 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Basically ever since I was introduced to psychedelics, my whole view of life and the world around me has changed. I have learned to cherish every moment I have on this earth, and to live life as a happy centered person. Not caring for material wealth, but rather learning as much as I can about the world around me, and the wonderful existence that I possess. However all this learning and conscious altering experiences I've had have brought forth a problem I can't seem to solve. So I turn to this place for answers in hopes that those more experienced than me may shed some light on the solution.

Why continue existing?

I can't seem to crack this one. Existing just to exist seems unfulfilling and boring. I live day by day, thinking why should I do all this pointless shit. Why not just put a bullet in my head, and move on to what is next, or rather to what is not next. At the moment I'm attending a University, however I no long am motivated by materialistic ideas to care that much about finishing. The idea of living in a remote location and simply surviving seems more intriguing to me than, finishing school, getting a job and working till all my material desires are met. What is the point? Why do this? Why not go off into the unknown and live life as a creature and no longer a human.


During my psychedelic experiences, I've had GOD, then lost god, then only to be reunited with a passion to the divine that makes up my existence and to that which has led to my life. I have so many obligations I must fulfill, to my parents, mostly to my mother, who has sacrificed so much, so that I may have an easier life.  A life without the struggle and poverty that she knew when she was young. How can I look her in her eyes and say: "you gave up happiness for me, yet with all the money we have, it is meaningless." How? Why?

I mostly post this, because I've hit a wall, I have very few friends. Though they are TRUE friends in every sense of the word. However at the present moment they are all preoccupied with their obligations. I feel alone, i have faith, in what... life I guess. However i just don't see the point to it all?

help me to see... love is everyting, money is nothing. i have neither.




This is exactly what I, and many others on this forum I'm guessing, started to feel after being introduced to psychedelics. I guess it's really where the heart is, and since my change, my heart is in something COMPLETELY different than money, wealth, success, etc.

Part of me wants to do it just to say "yea that's right doubters what now?? I did shitty in high school and now I've taken more drugs than you could imagine and I'm way better off than you" but that would not only be incorrect in it's truest sense (the last part at least XD) but also would be living my life for others, which conflicts with another of my gained "insights". Which is to live for myself, and only for myself; not to be selfish, but just not to not do something just because somebody else wants me to do it (religion, school, "cool" friends).

I know that my parents wouldn't understand my reluctance to put 60 hours a week into pointless homework, just to get a pointless job, where i can make pointless money, to get pointless things. Because to them, and many of my peers, that REALLY is what's the most important to them, they can't help it either because it's just the way their minds work.

I have been making so much progress, in finding MYSELF, my true humanity, fixing my real problems, that while I feel like I've passed a milestone my parents still see me as a jobless 20 year old that doesn't want to go to school. And I just wish I could make them see somehow....


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Re: Exsistance is pointless... (prove me wrong, plz) [Re: Synapses-R-Us]
    #14275928 - 04/12/11 12:24 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I hope you don't think that person is going to respond. This thread is over six years old.


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Re: Exsistance is pointless... (prove me wrong, plz) [Re: NetDiver]
    #14275982 - 04/12/11 12:36 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Samurai Drifter said:
I hope you don't think that person is going to respond. This thread is over six years old.




dammit still getting used to this whole thing and the "similar threads" feature, gotta pay attention to dates next time XD


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Re: Exsistance is pointless... (prove me wrong, pl [Re: Synapses-R-Us]
    #14276029 - 04/12/11 12:50 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

eh; 80yr training exercise to explore the universe forever. A bargain if you ask me.. :vaped:


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Re: Exsistance is pointless... (prove me wrong, pl [Re: ShrooomKing]
    #14276110 - 04/12/11 01:08 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

What do you mean pointless? Points? Life isn't math class son.


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