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Never come out of a trip & tripping forever.
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I've heard this about a thousand times, as I'm sure everyone else has. Someone always knows someone who was met someone who had LSD/Shrooms and never came out of the trip and spent the rest of their lives in a mental institution (or some sort of similair crap). Personally, I highly doubt this is possible as I have never met anyone first hand that this happened to, nor have I ever found any reliable source that confirms it (E.g. erowid, shroomery etc.) I think it's some scary shit that gets spread around like wild-flower. Possibly started to scare people out of doing such drugs, possibly an extreme exageration (ever played Chinese whispers?) of the fact that often people learn alot on trips and arn't quite the same after a large dose, this not being due physicly/chemically to the actual drug at all, more their new perspective that the drug showed them.
I am no expert on this, but will remain skeptical until someone shows me proof or I meet someone that this has happened to. 'It happened to a friend of a friend' or 'it happened to someone I know' is just not evidence, as a third party recount is not proof of anything, apart from the fact that someone is claiming something outlandish. A word on evidence: this does not include witnesses or the spoken word of some tripper I don't even know. Medical journals or scientific papers (although they're not even really concrete proof) would be excepted. I strongly suspect It's a college myth. Anyone care to correct me (by offering evidence or a reliable source)? observations, comments?

On a slightly unrelated topic, what are the negative aspects of shrooming? Is there any evidence that it's bad for your health or dangerous? I know people say 'it frys your brains', but does it really? Are there any reliable articles on this? I've never felt anything but refreshed and clear headed after shroom effects wear off. It sure isn't cancer-causing (unless smoked) and I seem to be just as cluey as I was before I ever tripped. What's the go? Is this the perfect drug?

The absence of evidence is the evidence of abscence.

Edited by AusCubensis on 05/19/01 09:09 AM.


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Re: Never come out of a trip & tripping forever. [Re: AusCubensis]
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a homeless kid i met in NYC knows this guy who had a sheet of LSD in his shirt pocket and he went through a sprinkler and the LSD got into him and he thought he was a glass of orange juice and he was walking around for weeks trying not to spill himself and somebody bumped into him and knocked him over and he died because he thought he spilled
so don't EVER walk through sprinklers with a sheet of LSD in your shirt pocket
incidentally---am i the only one here who want to trip permanently and never come back from that state of perception?
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Uh...will this go away? [Re: furioustriffid]
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I still see slight tracers since after my 3rd acid trip. A close relative of mine is obviously completely insane after coming back from a 3 day fest. No scientific proof that I can give you, though.

Fatch


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Re: Never come out of a trip & tripping forever. [Re: AusCubensis]
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Thats bullshit. If you get 'stuck in a trip', your not trippin'. You just went skitso is all. And that's only because you were skitso or very week minded to begin with.. My one friend I no longer talk to used to always bring this up. He also told me about the conspiracies that he heard about. The governemt created LSD and uses it for mind control over the ppl. Fucking e head is what he is. Not my trouble though.. You don't get stuck in trips. Period!

Hydro has spoken!
Please! Tell me about the fucking golf shoes!


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Re: Never come out of a trip & tripping forever. [Re: furioustriffid]
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> am i the only one here who want to trip permanently and never come back from that state of perception?

I used to think it would be nice to just trip forever. Its such a great experience, so why the hell not? Well, soon you learn, that state of perception sticks with you anyways. So there is no need..

Hydro has spoken!
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Re: Uh...will this go away? [Re: Fatch]
    #320953 -

Seeing tracers, mental expansion, awareness of a hell of a lot more things around you, etc.. are all common. Ever look at a street light at night? How many colors do you see? They are all really there, your not halucinating. Bet you could never see that before trippin'..

Hydro has spoken!
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Re: Uh...will this go away? [Re: Fatch]
    #321218 -

Are you sure you still see tracers? Not like the sensation everyone gets like writing your name with a fire stick in the night? If so, how much did you take? and what was it (shooms/sid)? As for your relative going on a 3 day fest - no fucking wonder. That's blatant abuse.


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Re: Uh...will this go away? [Re: The_Gnome_King]
    #321234 -

personally id hate to trip the rest of my life...the other day i felt like life itself is just too long of a trip, not enjoyable. and the acid state of mind is only fun for a while but id kill myself if i had to trip the rest of my life away.

We're all mad here...


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Re: Uh...will this go away? [Re: ]
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Those little dots you see when you look in the sky are just the bacteria that live on the surface of your eye, it's perfectly natural.

"And then you will realize the truth; there is no spoom."

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Re: Uh...will this go away? [Re: Dead Shaman]
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I know two people who are right now fucked in the head ever since they last dosed, not that it was all the acids fault but the cid surely put them over the edge, one was tweeking one week straight and the other was always alittle skitzo i believe, and the tweeker one is to this day in a mental health institute.
It can happen.


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Re: Never come out of a trip & tripping forever. [Re: AusCubensis]
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i dont know about shrooms but im pretty sure too much acid can fuck you up in the head

<FONT COLOR=#ff0000>keep on trippin'</font>


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Re: Uh...will this go away? [Re: dragoon]
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are these problems from taking acid or taking mushroom?





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Re: Never come out of a trip & tripping forever. [Re: AusCubensis]
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Alot of it is urban mythology. Everyone seems to have read about some guy a friend saw at a festival who thought he was a glass of orange juice, invariably. Like the replies say below, depends greatly on the tripper and ther mental state. However it has happened - the most famous case being Syd Barrett, former Pink Floyd Frontman. But then again he lived on little more than LSD and cups of tea for most of his twenties. Anything in excess will mess you up. There was a guy who died from a carrot overdose.



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Re: Never come out of a trip & tripping forever. [Re: fun_guy]
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>There was a guy who died from a carrot overdose.

lmao.

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Re: Never come out of a trip & tripping forever. [Re: Krendle]
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>There was a guy who died from a carrot overdose.

Sure was. Friend of a shroom buddy's landlord's uncle's dog's previous owner if I'm not mistaken.



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Re: Never come out of a trip & tripping forever. [Re: PrOzAc420]
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too much of anything can fuck you up in the head, yes shrooms included

We're all mad here...


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Re: Never come out of a trip & tripping forever. [Re: fun_guy]
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Yah, I was just ganna mention good old Barrett. He just took it waaaaaay overboard. Though ppl used to dose him all the time without him knowing it. Btw, it was coffea he dropped his acid in, not tea. Though tea would make more sense since he was english. I heard they also had a little cat that they used to dose all the time. I think Watters said that in an interview one time. hehe ;-)

Hydro has spoken!
Please! Tell me about the fucking golf shoes!


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Re: Never come out of a trip & tripping forever. [Re: Hydro]
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ya poor barrett...he was one of the first in england to use acid and they didnt have much info on it then so i guess he figured it wouldnt screw him up to use it chronically...sucks he was a genius too...

We're all mad here...


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Re: Never come out of a trip & tripping forever. [Re: AusCubensis]
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I AM A GLASS OF ORANGE JUICE

//sananaB cinataS tronS I//


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Re: Never come out of a trip & tripping forever. [Re: zeuzjuz]
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The running through the sprinklers thing is a lie. It came out of a movie. I don't remember the name. And It is possible to perm-fry. Called flashbacks dumbass. Some people (like me, off of one trip) get them continuously.

" Give Me One More Medicated Peacefull Moment" - Maynard James Keenan
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Re: Never come out of a trip & tripping forever. [Re: manwithoutaface]
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the movie is SLC Punk



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Re: Never come out of a trip & tripping forever. [Re: Hydro]
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You are misinformed. Hallucinogen Persisting Perceptual Disorder (292.89), is not all that uncommon and is a terrible condition. Unrelenting visuals makes functioning very difficult for those afflicted. As to induced mental illness, Hallucinogen-Induced Psychotic Disorder, With Delusions (292.11) and Hallucinogen-Induced Psychotic Disorder, With Hallucinations (292.12) can, has and does land people in hospitals. I have known people, personally and professionally who precipitated transient psychotic episodes with psychedelics. I have experienced abberant and pathological states myself in 30 years of use. LSD was discovered by a Swiss biochemist named Albert Hofmann, with whom I have had personal contact, not "the government." Sandoz Pharmaceuticals, East Hanover, NJ branch was in sight of the house I grew up in. Millions of blue hits left that building in what was probably an experiment of sorts by the US government (whenever I made deliveries there as a kid the guards would say "have a nice trip."). The negative impact on consumerism and materialism was reason enough to consider LSD a serious danger to the American way of life. Tripping, in the common use of the word, does not indicate a 'permanent' move to a state of mystical enlightenment and may hinder a true arrival in such a condition. Tripping usually means a state of "inebriation" (to use Dr. Hofmann's term), and for a lot of people, just carefree, stoned, non-productive on all levels, or merely entertaining. Dr. Hofmann's own take on its use is strictly for the enhancement of prayer and meditation. Want documentation? Read 'LSD: My Problem Child."



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Re: Never come out of a trip & tripping forever. [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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> Want documentation? Read 'LSD: My Problem Child."

I happen to have that book on my shelf. ;-)

> Tripping usually means a state of "inebriation"

Of course your in a state of inebriation if you take a drug.. I don't beleive use of psychedelics can induce such permanent 'inebriation' at all. It can trigger other disorders that have not yet surfaced in particular individuals. I don't feel it would cause any harm to a 'normal', 'well rounded' individual. You don't get stuck in trips.. If you did, then I, more then anyone, should be halucinating out of my mind right at this very moment! :-P

Hydro has spoken!
Please! Tell me about the fucking golf shoes!

Edited by Hydro on 05/23/01 07:23 PM.



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Re: Never come out of a trip & tripping forever. [Re: Hydro]
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It is not a matter of belief. This is clinical information based upon compiled case histories. The inebriation does not continue, the triggered pathological aspects continue.



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Re: Never come out of a trip & tripping forever. [Re: AusCubensis]
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hydro, you are a very lucky man/woman to own a copy of that sacred book :) have you seen the going price for even a paperack copy thru bibliofind!

also, the US government did use LSD for mind control experiments, ecstasy too! hell even the nazi's were using synth mescaline on patients at dachau! if you do not (want) to believe me then check out this book:

http://www.psychedelic-library.org/marks.htm

it is not the only book on this topic either. i have been researching this mystery for the past few months. some weird and bizarre shit lemme tell ya!

peace out :)



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Re: Never come out of a trip & tripping forever. [Re: Hydro]
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The CIA created LSD in the 50's or 60's as a secret weapon, although the purpose of this weapon escapes me. They would test it in mental hospitals and such. The author Ken Kessey ("One Flew Over the Cukoo's Nest) was paid seventy dollars a session just to take some LSD and let attendents at a mental hospital record what happened to him. Eventually, the drug's hallucinogenic effects became apparent and it was discarded as a means for the CIA to whatever it was thinking of doing. But during the time of its testing, LSD made its way into the hands of the counter-culture. Whole cummunities were formed on the basis of the new enlightenment it brought. This is around the time that the phrase "Are you on the bus?" was formed, for those of you who know what I am talking about.

It is possible, actually, to be tripping forever, yes, even when the drug inevitably wears off. This is because of what it does to your brain. Like with ecstasy, you feel like the drug is relaxing you, but really its intensifying things and speeding them up. Your neurons fire back and forth across your brain all the time, sending messages to different parts of your body to do certain thing, like see, or hear, or walk, or what have you. But under the influence of something like X, or LSD, or shrooms, the neurons in your brain fire back and forth so rapidly that sometimes your brain can't take it and it shuts down, albiet, you "black out" or collapse (I just learned this after a recent first-hand experience). It is possible for your neurons to be over-worked, shall we say. I don't know the correct terminology, but they can "burn out". Your brain can be so confused that it might not be able to find its way out of the fog that the neurons firing at such high frequency created. Thus, one may not be tripping forever, but the way you feel on a bad trip... where your thoughts repeat and you can't put music in the background...yeah, that can be permanent. So beee careful!


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Re: Never come out of a trip & tripping forever. [Re: starkravingmad]
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Your post couldn't be more wrong starkravingmad. Do some research you are way off.
LSD-25 was 'discovered' by Albert Hofman which is a very interesting tale itself but I won't get into it. If you wish go to Erowid.org and find out the truth.
Peace

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Re: Never come out of a trip & tripping forever. [Re: dragoon]
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lol dragoon your right but your signature kinda contradicts your statement ;)

We're all mad here...


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Re: Never come out of a trip & tripping forever. [Re: auto59009]
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Yah, I read about that too. That's not really mind control in the sense I ment though. The ignorance below your post is EXACTLY what I was talking about being completely false! hehe ;-)

Btw, I got this book at a yard sale last summer!!! Now how freakin' cool is that! I paid something like $10 for the little bugger! lol

Hydro has spoken!
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Re: Never come out of a trip & tripping forever. [Re: Hydro]
    #329326 -

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Edited by forax (09/28/08 04:28 PM)

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Re: Uh...will this go away? [Re: Dead Shaman]
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About that bacteria on the eye thing, is that anything that little black dot thing you get sometimes, and you can't look directly at it, because whenever you try it keeps moving in the direction that you're trying to "capture" it in, I don't know if this happens to everyone else, but I pretty sure that it's not caused by psychadelics, because that's happenned to me since I was a kid and I don't *think* my parents fed me any halucinogens as a child.

And the angel of the lord came unto me, snatching me up from my place of slumber. And took me on high, and higher still until we moved to the spaces betwixt the air itself...

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Re: Uh...will this go away? [Re: Dead Shaman]
    #329390 -

ALWAYS WONDERED WHAT THAT IS!!!!!

Haha! And I've never done any psychadelics, I just always wondered! :)


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Re: Uh...will this go away? [Re: Phobos]
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The lines or dots that you see passing over the surface of your vision are the blood vessels in your eye and the red blood cells passing through them, respectively. Under normal situations you are not aware of them (it wouldn't be much use to your survival) but certain frequencies of light and under certain circumstances you can see them.
I did this in a physiology lab at uni. By shining (a narrow beam of) blue light into your eye it is possible to see them quite clearly. It's very normal. I'd be more worried if you didn't ever see it.


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Re: Uh...will this go away? [Re: NeiL]
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there also seem to be loose bits of tissue (small clumps of dead cells) that detach from the retina and float about in the "humours" (aqueous & vitreous), and as they pass through the field of vision (especially noticiable when gazing at a brightly-lit blank field (like a blue sky)---you can change the direction of drift by moving your head just right...)
so-called "phosphenes" ? or is that those patterny things you see when you press gently on you closed eyes... ?
whatever...

Edited by gnrm23 on 05/30/01 08:09 AM.



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Re: Uh...will this go away? [Re: gnrm23]
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It's funny, because last time I went to the optical clinic, I asked why I was seeing some brack dots, we'll all that is is just very small debris floating in the liquid part in your eyeballs thus making some sort of shadow in the back of the eye, where the image is percieved.

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Re: Never come out of a trip & tripping forever. [Re: HB]
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I agree. Poor Berrett. He got fucked over from life, and he was a genius. To much pot can even fuck you up. Iv'e been there. You get lazy,, with no motivation. That is not something they say to keep you from using it. It's true, iv'e been there before. Now I don't smoke as much pot, and I can function. To much acid can, and will fuck you up. My freind has done acid 6 times and he's not bad. He's a very smart guy too. He said that he has watched some of his freind's slowly get fucked up over time as they put to much of that shit into they're bodies. He said that over time, he didn't even know them anymore. He said it was quite sad to watch his freind's fuck themselves up over time. I agree it would be a terrible expereince. Watching your freind's get more and more distant, until you hardly even know them. That's what Pink Floyd said in there interview about Syde.

"Now there's a look in your eyes, like black holes in the sky.

In the interview, they said he looked as though he was looking right through you and not seeing you when he talked. I also believe they said the song shine on you crazy diomond was about him, and if you listen to the lyrics, it tell's about how he used to "shine like the sun". Remember when you were young, you shone like the sun". Now there's a look in your eyes, like black holes in the sky". I always think of this when I listen to that tune. It's quite a sad tune if you listen to the lyrics, but for some reason that song makes me happy.

Anyway, just my opinion.Glacius

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Re: Never come out of a trip & tripping forever. [Re: Glacius]
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Too much of anything will fuck you up. And yes, 'Shine on you Crazy Diamond' was a dedication to good ol' Barrett. 'Crazy Diamond' was a nick name they used to call him back in the day. In an interview, Waters I think, said Sid came into the studio while they were recording that song and asked when he was up to sign the vocals! :-( Sad story behind that all. Also, a lot of things in the movie 'The Wall' portray Barrett as well. Alls I really listen to is good ol' Floydy, so I kinda know my shit! hehe ;-)

Hydro has spoken!
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Re: Never come out of a trip & tripping forever. [Re: Hydro]
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They're my favorite band. Iv'e never herd any music quite so amazing before.

I support www.thehawkseye.com
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Re: Never come out of a trip & tripping forever. [Re: Glacius]
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Its soo trippy, but at the same time its so beautiful and amazing! Floydy is the shit! ;-)

Hydro has spoken!
Please! Tell me about the fucking golf shoes!

Edited by Hydro on 06/01/01 05:48 PM.



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Re: Never come out of a trip & tripping forever. [Re: Hydro]
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Ive only heard alittle bit of King crimson but what ive heard is good and similar to pink floyd i think


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Re: Uh...will this go away? [Re: Dead Shaman]
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Dead Shaman said:
Those little dots you see when you look in the sky are just the bacteria that live on the surface of your eye, it's perfectly natural.<br><br>"And then you will realize the truth; there is no spoom."


is that true????

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Re: Uh...will this go away? [Re: evl]
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“Oh squiggly line in my eye fluid. I see you lurking there on the peripheral of my vision.
But when I try to look at you, you scurry away.
Are you shy, squiggly line?
Why only when I ignore you, do you return to the center of my eye?
oh, squiggly line, it’s alright, you are forgiven. ” - Stewie Griffin


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Re: Never come out of a trip & tripping forever. [Re: AusCubensis]
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It isn't exactly tripping forever. But some people do change, after heavy dosing. Those that end up in the mental institution where probably bound to end up there at some point, but still others are forever changed and everybody around them will agree. Just use moderation with psychedelics, they are not harmless and they are very powerful. If you are mentally healthy and use moderation you will be fine.

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Re: Never come out of a trip & tripping forever. [Re: furioustriffid]
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That's from the movie SLC punk..... Well the sheet of acid and sprinkler thing is. The orange juice part is a myth not related to the movie.


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Re: Never come out of a trip & tripping forever. [Re: drr]
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Yea the whole tripping forever thinking he was a glass of orange juice thing is most likely not true. I remember hearing this in high school but it was more of a scare tactic/ urban legend. I remember that it was that reason why I didn't want to trip. But yea it's fake. So for all you underage ignorrant shroomerites. They told you the wrong info.


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Re: Uh...will this go away? [Re: evl]
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evl said:
Dead Shaman said:
Those little dots you see when you look in the sky are just the bacteria that live on the surface of your eye, it's perfectly natural.<br><br>"And then you will realize the truth; there is no spoom."


is that true????


Something like that.
Longer explanation :
I read that they are proteins that wind up inside the eyeball during embryonic development.
When the eyes moves, they shift position and if light falls in at the right angle, you can see them.
When you don't see them, they are stationary.
It's as simple as that.
They are an entoptic phenomenon, meaning that they are caused by a condition in the eyeball itself, instead of originating from a modulation of sensory input in the visual cortex like typical visuals on psychedelics.

Look up floaters on wikipedia if you want an even more detailed explanation that, unlike mine, (probably) wasn't written at half past eight in the morning by someone who got smoked out with a metric fuckton of weed.

Anyway, as far as seeing more floaters after psychedelic experiences is concerned :

I could imagine that nystagmus (eye wiggle) causes people to see more floaters.
The eye is kept in constant movement, which would easily make those proteins in your eyeball jitter around like crazy, making them more visible.
LSD, for example, causes horizontal nystagmus while people are under it's effects, so they often see more floaters than usual in phases of the trip without other pronounced visuals that would distract/overlay the floaters.
You may notice that a lot of things you have seen on psychedelics become more fascinating afterwards, because you have conditioned yourself to associate them with a profound experience in your life.
This makes you pay more attention to them and suddenly, you recognize them all the time, in situations where you just would have overlooked them before.

Another explanation could be that increased nystagmus or other erratic involuntary eye movements are also a possible mid- to long term aftereffect of taking acid, but i suppose someone should have noticed that by now with such a well-researched drug and i haven't come across that in almost a year of reading up everything i could find on LSD, no matter wether it's from positively or negatively biased or neutral sources.

In conclusion, it's neither surprising nor in any way alarming that people see more floaters after having taken LSD.

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