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morian
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Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - check it out
#3199552 - 09/30/04 10:48 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Look what appeared on Johnny's first (ever) casing today.
That tin baking pan has 15 pf cakes cheese grated into it. Its covered with microwaved coco/verm casing and has an underneath layer of microwaved verm.The tin is just sitting in a PMP. The picture isn't the best, but if you squint, you SEE. Johnny's heard that casings don't really have aborts. If this is true, then he's excited. Any idea what that less colonized section in the artful shape is all about? There appears to be pins there too, so Johnny's not too worried, but he really wants this to work. He figures that next time, he's not gonna let the casing colonize so much before initiating pinning.
Edited by morian (09/30/04 11:54 AM)
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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - check it out [Re: morian]
#3200593 - 09/30/04 03:50 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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A bit to colonized but looks ok. You say there are pins? Can't see them but if so then your good to go..long as that didnt just go in the fruiting chamber 
The uncolonized spot is probably just where you had thinner substrate and thicker casing. That's what patching is for. That's alot of cakes. I think you wouldve had better results splitting that into two for over all yield. Surface area is better then thickness IME (to a certain extent). If you only had so much fruiting space though I could understand. Should give you a number of decent flushes.
Sorry to disapoint but casings certainly do have aborts and can have quite a few depending on strain (brazils, bah). Some strains not so many but theres always some aborts.
Good luck and post back with flush pics!
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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - check it out [Re: scatmanrav]
#3200649 - 09/30/04 04:03 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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What kind of crazy ass light are you using?
Is it some kind of black light? Just wondering.
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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - check it out [Re: XanaDude]
#3200854 - 09/30/04 04:58 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Says blue lights which they make. Shrooms respond well to blue spectrum. Flouro lights work great though. Black lights are bad (UV's bad).
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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - check it out [Re: scatmanrav]
#3201068 - 09/30/04 06:12 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Its not hard to see the pins. There are MANY. All of those black spots are pin heads. There's hundreds. The reason its so colonized is that Johnny didn't get the lights made in time so he couldn't initiate pinning soon enough.
The light is from blue LEDs that Johnny made light bars out of and suspended from the top of the grow chamber. Low power, Low heat, lots of blue, low price, low weight, fit inside of the chamber, trippy.
I'm planning on writing up an LED lighting tek for Johnny. He makes long (24") skinny PCBs out of particle board and slug repellant copper tape. 5 LEDs and a resistor are soldered to the PCB and the whole thing is stuffed inside of a 3/4" square acrylic tube. Seems to work nicely. He is concerned however that the particle board is gonna break down rather quickly in the high humidity. He's thinking about coating it in urethane or something.
Thanks for the input scatman. Johnny figured too deep of substrate wouldn't hurt anything but he agrees, more spread out may have been better. 15 cakes ended up being 2-2.5" deep. Hopefully he'll get back to us about his yield.. =)
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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - check it out [Re: morian]
#3201279 - 09/30/04 07:16 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Maybe not hard for you but the blue light with my eyes on my monitor makes it hard for me to make out pins. Looks like spots of casing ove pins really to me.
You never mentioned the strain, what you got cooking there?
1-1 1/2 seems to be ideal substrate thickness so yep that ones a bit thick. Big thick casings can give some pretty cool results though. Dont know about length and with but a casing of about the same depth but using 7 quarts of rye:


Was about 70 grams dry. Got three flushes like that. Fourth flush is drying right now but was far less (probably like a zip). I'm gonna try flipping it tonight and casng the bottom though. Shrooms came up only from the sides (lots) but none in the middle (except 1 and like 3 aborts). If everything goes well I'd expect twoish dry but again it depends so much on strain and conditions, but thats my guess. Good luck!
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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - check it [Re: scatmanrav]
#3201528 - 09/30/04 08:27 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Looks really good, Johnny is envious, but his day is coming.
Johnny is currently using Amazon B+ but he has a syringe of Golden teachers that he's gonna use next time around.
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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - check it [Re: morian]
#3201646 - 09/30/04 08:53 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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you put amazon and b+ cakes in the same casing????
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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - check it [Re: curious4]
#3201951 - 09/30/04 10:14 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Rut roh, you didnt do that did you? Amazon and B+ are two different strains. Did you use one syringe or two for the jars? Well you got pins so I'm thinking you didnt and are just calling the strain the wrong name.
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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - check it [Re: scatmanrav]
#3202513 - 10/01/04 12:49 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes, must be confused, was thinking B+ was an extension of the Amazon strain. Single Strain, pretty sure it was Amazons. The store Johnny bought them from is actually in town and they are a little mysterious, thanks for straightening out a newbie.
Here's a (really compressed) closeup:
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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - check it [Re: morian]
#3202529 - 10/01/04 12:53 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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There they are! Looking good! Get back when they're bigger and a yeild
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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - check it [Re: morian]
#3202540 - 10/01/04 12:55 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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They look great!
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Just a little update [Re: morian]
#3206840 - 10/02/04 01:22 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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There are some bald spots, but this is Johnny's first time. In real life you can see pins trying to break through the heavy white areas.


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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - check it [Re: morian]
#3206879 - 10/02/04 01:39 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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15 cakes is alot in my mind when i haven't read anything suggesting the like - but as i can see it is a badass route (from scats pics as well) - - 7 cakes of rye quart is 21 - 1/2 pints roughly. If the individual cake does well in fighting off contam...does this also suggest that contamination of such a casing would be even more difficult? - - i havent read anywhere to use so many cakes - so this is good news and maybe better news.... ps/ today my brfcake has my first 6.5 in. wonder on it - and 20 of the like.....
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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - check it [Re: qwon]
#3207021 - 10/02/04 02:52 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Here's one of the last pics with the color removed. (Provided that I can figure out how to post a picture). I think it makes Johnny's results easier to see. Ticktock Bugger. The ubb code shows instead of the image. Sorry. Here's the raw link. ftp://65.30.181.223/674477237-casing3.jpg [image]ftp://65.30.181.223/674477237-casing3.jpg[/image]
Edited by ticktock (10/02/04 02:55 PM)
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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - check it [Re: ticktock]
#3207126 - 10/02/04 03:26 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Good trick ticktock
Johnny should just start turning the room light on for taking pictures hey? He's just so enthralled with the blue LEDs, its hard to convince him that anything else matters (like visual clarity).
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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - check it [Re: morian]
#3207204 - 10/02/04 04:02 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hi Morian, Beats me about the blue led thing. I'm the greenest possible newbie, just starting to read the teks and considering the possibilities. I'll probably hang around for a month or so to soak up info before jumping in. Question; I accept that blueish light is best. Has anyone done a study to discover the perfect wavelength? Ticktock
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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - check it [Re: ticktock]
#3207463 - 10/02/04 05:08 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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In The Mushroom Cultivator by Stamets and Chilton, they say" grow-lux type flourescent light high in blue spectra at 480 nanometer wavelength." Stamets and Chilton tend not to pull too many facts out of their asses (have you seen the bibliography in this thing?) so I would imagine that someone somewhere did a study, and probably published a paper on it.
Johnny isn't sure what range his LEDs are emmitting at but he figures they must be doing what they need to. Light is a sort of heated subject (do a search through the threads). So far I haven't seen pictures from anyone using LEDs besides Johnny but I have read some threads of other people that claim success with them.
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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - check it [Re: morian]
#3208511 - 10/02/04 10:23 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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I read this, then I saw that wisdom excelleth folly. As far as blue light excelleth darkness. The wise mans eyes are in his head; but the fool walketh in darkness. Then I said in my heart, as it happeneth to the fool in darkness, so it happeneth even to me; and why then was I more wise? Then I said in my heart, that this is also vanity. So verily I say then, that hence forth the light azure is most beneficent and good; and I shall walk in its glory.
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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - check it [Re: Gesus_Kryst]
#3208754 - 10/03/04 12:05 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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I just took a look around, and blue leds seem to be around 470 nm, so that should be great. Johnny seems to be on the right track in that sense. Still, if I'm reading the teks right, the light is just a trigger. It tells the fungus that it has reached the outside surface amd it's time to fruit. Pure blue light does not happen in nature. I'm wondering if the yield is improved by using just the one color.I see what you mean now about light being a heated subject.
Blue leds were impossible just a few years ago. They went from impossible to expensive. Now they are cheap. If built into the growth chamber, that's one element that doesn't need attention. Humidity, temperature, and CO2 remian to be reckoned with.
Is Johnny using a perlite bed for humidity?
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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - check it [Re: ticktock]
#3209463 - 10/03/04 10:00 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Johnny is using a PMP (Poor Man's Pod) which is more normally reserved for cakes (Check out Magash's original posting for more about the pods). It takes care of the C02/O2 and humidity issues, heat is handled by an oil filled heater in the same room.
Here's an updated pic:
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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - check it [Re: morian]
#3209674 - 10/03/04 01:17 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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those r real nice  wht strain r they ??
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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - check it [Re: morian]
#3209695 - 10/03/04 01:21 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not bad. Specially for a first casing. GJ.
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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - check it [Re: morian]
#3210151 - 10/03/04 03:07 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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and the pmp reckons with co2 and humidity very well
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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - check it [Re: morian]
#3210862 - 10/03/04 06:46 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Anyone else ever grated a cake with a cheese grater before?
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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - [Re: qwon]
#3211168 - 10/03/04 08:23 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
qwon said: 15 cakes is alot in my mind when i haven't read anything suggesting the like - but as i can see it is a badass route (from scats pics as well) - - 7 cakes of rye quart is 21 - 1/2 pints roughly. If the individual cake does well in fighting off contam...does this also suggest that contamination of such a casing would be even more difficult? - - i havent read anywhere to use so many cakes - so this is good news and maybe better news.... ps/ today my brfcake has my first 6.5 in. wonder on it - and 20 of the like.....
as i am reposting this here - it seems that it would be very improbable for a 'johnnie' the 'newbie' to produce on a very first casing such a serendipitous casing tray without having run through the long list of possible contamination points, experimenting in casing, different types of environments etc. but hey - hats off to 'Johnnie' the 'Newbie'
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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - [Re: qwon]
#3211567 - 10/03/04 09:47 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Qwon, Johnny takes what you've said as a compliment but he does have some experience, he did his first ever five cakes last month and produced about 25 grams dry in two flushes (A third one is to come). He used the other half of the syringe to shoot into Karo and used that karo to shoot into 60 more cakes, about 55 of the cakes turned out, 15 of which went into this casing, the other 40 are hanging out in other PMPs, but the casing isn't exactly perfect, look at the big bald spot in the middle, what's the deal with that? And the whole cake has pulled away from the edge about 1/2" and since Johnny is using Amazons, the veils have broken on a bunch of the Mushies at about 3-4" and it looks like he might be getting something green growing on the casing, but this thing was done in a real hurry. Johnny is hoping next time to do better.
As for the cheese grater, one of Johnny's other friends thought of that, he dumped iso all over the grater and grated all of the cakes in a dirty kitchen, much to the surprise and horror of Johnny.
Johnny contributes his success to all of the info he's been getting (through me) from this board and he would like to thank everyone here.
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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - [Re: morian]
#3211650 - 10/03/04 10:02 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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just before harvest:
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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - [Re: morian]
#3212069 - 10/03/04 11:34 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nice
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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - [Re: qwon]
#3212364 - 10/04/04 12:48 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well done Morian, how true that the mind of the wise useth knowledge aright. And worry not, the mouth of fools poureth out foolishness, and yet it comes to naught. Hear counsel, and recive instruction, that thou mayest be wise in thy latter end.
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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - [Re: morian]
#3212381 - 10/04/04 12:54 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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The cheese grator has been used for a while with casing cakes. Works well as you can see.
Tell John that he needs to mist his casings while they are fruiting. That is why they pull away. They are using up the water content to produce fruits. They need more water to produce the fruits. When the casing gets dry, the fruits cannot produce anymore.
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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - [Re: Citric]
#3212431 - 10/04/04 01:13 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - [Re: Citric]
#3213194 - 10/04/04 09:55 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Citric, it seems that you're absolutely correct, Johnny only ended up with 66.4 grams out of that first flush, he was expecting more like 100 but he'll do a bunch of things different next time. The thing has been dunked in the fridge over night and is about to go back into the PMP. The casing doesn't seemed to have swelled up to its former glory, should he stuff fresh casing down the cracks on the sides?
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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - [Re: morian]
#3213598 - 10/04/04 12:12 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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There are no extra problems with contams. If you use all colonized stuff then it really wont contam. Casing layers have no nutrients so they wont contam. Keep things sterile and clean and you'll be find and theres no more risk to a larger casing dying then a smaller one.
The problem with contams in large casings lay in if it does get contamed you lose your only provider of mushrooms. If you make 6 casings and you lose one you still got 5 others, not so big a deal.
Critic definatly is correct. Keep them casings moist, very important. Dunking it just like you is what I do. Fill casing mix on the sides and throw a little on top to fill in the holes you made from harvesting. It won't swell and mine always shrink the same even though I keep them nice and moist. Well actually I think I rip alot of it off the sides getting the shrooms off the sides too (alot of my containers are clear).
Your second flush should be slightly bigger..I'd say closer to 80 grams..3rd more like 50, 4th more like 20 and from there I'd have some new ones made up and ready to replace it. Those numbers are a guess about rye and only a guess. Cakes could quite probably not hold as many nutrients for future flushes. Good luck though and that is a nice harvest! Had you made that into two casings I feel you wouldve gotten your 100 grams.
By the way, that big casing up there was the 5th casing I ever made and I made it only a few days after my first 4 were made and while they were still in the incubator before I had done anything successful. You can easily do a casing this large for your first one, it's absolutly no harder. I did it to see which produced more, surface area or thickness. Lets just say the 4 casings (total of 5 quarts) did more then the large casing with 7 jars. Surface area is better
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flush2 (seven days later) [Re: scatmanrav]
#3242854 - 10/11/04 12:30 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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flush2 (seven days later), 38 grams dry
Edited by morian (10/12/04 08:52 AM)
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Re: flush2 (seven days later) [Re: morian]
#3242894 - 10/11/04 12:40 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Very impressive grow, ESPECIALLY for a first casing.
You gain the Jon_funk seal of approval!!
I can't quite see how there is 15 cakes fitted in there though,, especially with a casing layer too, Unless its very large and I can't judge the proportion because of the pic.
Well done, Jonny
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Re: flush2 (seven days later) [Re: jon_funk]
#3242990 - 10/11/04 01:00 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Johnny has lost the offical grocery store dimensions but the pan is about 17"x13"x3.5" and the tallest mushrooms on there are about 5"
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Re: flush2 (seven days later) [Re: morian]
#3249180 - 10/12/04 08:41 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mirabile visu, thats some silly good first time work. And remember to tell your fine friend, non omne quod nitet aurum est. Just if nothing else, to ease his spotless mind (ho tel mo tel h o l i d a y inn, if your girl acts up at the carnival, then you snatch her friend)
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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - check it out [Re: morian]
#12005095 - 02/10/10 08:26 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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I was wondering how much coco coir you used in relation to the amount of substrate you used.
Was it a inch on bottom and a inch on top?
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