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Offlinemorian
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Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - check it out
    #3199552 - 09/30/04 12:48 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Look what appeared on Johnny's first (ever) casing today.





That tin baking pan has 15 pf cakes cheese grated into it. Its covered with microwaved coco/verm casing and has an underneath layer of microwaved verm.The tin is just sitting in a PMP. The picture isn't the best, but if you squint, you SEE. Johnny's heard that casings don't really have aborts. If this is true, then he's excited.

Any idea what that less colonized section in the artful shape is all about? There appears to be pins there too, so Johnny's not too worried, but he really wants this to work. He figures that next time, he's not gonna let the casing colonize so much before initiating pinning.


Edited by morian (09/30/04 01:54 PM)


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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - check it out [Re: morian]
    #3200593 - 09/30/04 05:50 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

A bit to colonized but looks ok. You say there are pins? Can't see them but if so then your good to go..long as that didnt just go in the fruiting chamber :smile:

The uncolonized spot is probably just where you had thinner substrate and thicker casing. That's what patching is for. That's alot of cakes. I think you wouldve had better results splitting that into two for over all yield. Surface area is better then thickness IME (to a certain extent). If you only had so much fruiting space though I could understand. Should give you a number of decent flushes.

Sorry to disapoint but casings certainly do have aborts and can have quite a few depending on strain (brazils, bah). Some strains not so many but theres always some aborts.

Good luck and post back with flush pics!


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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - check it out [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3200649 - 09/30/04 06:03 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

What kind of crazy ass light are you using?

Is it some kind of black light? Just wondering.


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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - check it out [Re: XanaDude]
    #3200854 - 09/30/04 06:58 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Says blue lights which they make. Shrooms respond well to blue spectrum. Flouro lights work great though. Black lights are bad (UV's bad).


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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - check it out [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3201068 - 09/30/04 08:12 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Its not hard to see the pins. There are MANY. All of those black spots are pin heads. There's hundreds. The reason its so colonized is that Johnny didn't get the lights made in time so he couldn't initiate pinning soon enough.

The light is from blue LEDs that Johnny made light bars out of and suspended from the top of the grow chamber. Low power, Low heat, lots of blue, low price, low weight, fit inside of the chamber, trippy.

I'm planning on writing up an LED lighting tek for Johnny. He makes long (24") skinny PCBs out of particle board and slug repellant copper tape. 5 LEDs and a resistor are soldered to the PCB and the whole thing is stuffed inside of a 3/4" square acrylic tube. Seems to work nicely. He is concerned however that the particle board is gonna break down rather quickly in the high humidity. He's thinking about coating it in urethane or something.

Thanks for the input scatman. Johnny figured too deep of substrate wouldn't hurt anything but he agrees, more spread out may have been better. 15 cakes ended up being 2-2.5" deep. Hopefully he'll get back to us about his yield.. =)


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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - check it out [Re: morian]
    #3201279 - 09/30/04 09:16 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Maybe not hard for you but the blue light with my eyes on my monitor makes it hard for me to make out pins. Looks like spots of casing ove pins really to me.

You never mentioned the strain, what you got cooking there?

1-1 1/2 seems to be ideal substrate thickness so yep that ones a bit thick. Big thick casings can give some pretty cool results though. Dont know about length and with but a casing of about the same depth but using 7 quarts of rye:



Was about 70 grams dry. Got three flushes like that. Fourth flush is drying right now but was far less (probably like a zip). I'm gonna try flipping it tonight and casng the bottom though. Shrooms came up only from the sides (lots) but none in the middle (except 1 and like 3 aborts). If everything goes well I'd expect twoish dry but again it depends so much on strain and conditions, but thats my guess. Good luck!


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Anyone looking to start bulk tubs/mono tubs/shotgun hybrids? Good tubs to use..
How I do grain (old still good tips)
Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay


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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - check it [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3201528 - 09/30/04 10:27 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Looks really good, Johnny is envious, but his day is coming.

Johnny is currently using Amazon B+ but he has a syringe of Golden teachers that he's gonna use next time around.


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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - check it [Re: morian]
    #3201646 - 09/30/04 10:53 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

you put amazon and b+ cakes in the same casing????


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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - check it [Re: curious4]
    #3201951 - 10/01/04 12:14 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Rut roh, you didnt do that did you? Amazon and B+ are two different strains. Did you use one syringe or two for the jars? Well you got pins so I'm thinking you didnt and are just calling the strain the wrong name.


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Growing with bags, start to finish (including my new grain and substrate prep)
Anyone looking to start bulk tubs/mono tubs/shotgun hybrids? Good tubs to use..
How I do grain (old still good tips)
Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay


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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - check it [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3202513 - 10/01/04 02:49 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, must be confused, was thinking B+ was an extension of the Amazon strain. Single Strain, pretty sure it was Amazons. The store Johnny bought them from is actually in town and they are a little mysterious, thanks for straightening out a newbie.

Here's a (really compressed) closeup:



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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - check it [Re: morian]
    #3202529 - 10/01/04 02:53 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

There they are! Looking good! Get back when they're bigger and a yeild :smile:


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How I do grain (old still good tips)
Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay


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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - check it [Re: morian]
    #3202540 - 10/01/04 02:55 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

They look great!


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Just a little update [Re: morian]
    #3206840 - 10/02/04 03:22 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

There are some bald spots, but this is Johnny's first time. In real life you can see pins trying to break through the heavy white areas.






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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - check it [Re: morian]
    #3206879 - 10/02/04 03:39 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

15 cakes is alot in my mind when i haven't read anything suggesting the like - but as i can see it is a badass route (from scats pics as well) - - 7 cakes of rye quart is 21 - 1/2 pints roughly. If the individual cake does well in fighting off contam...does this also suggest that contamination of such a casing would be even more difficult? - - i havent read anywhere to use so many cakes - so this is good news and maybe better news....
ps/ today my brfcake has my first 6.5 in. wonder on it - and 20 of the like.....


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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - check it [Re: qwon]
    #3207021 - 10/02/04 04:52 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Here's one of the last pics with the color removed. (Provided that I can figure out how to post a picture). I think it makes Johnny's results easier to see.

Ticktock

Bugger. The ubb code shows instead of the image. Sorry. Here's the raw link.
ftp://65.30.181.223/674477237-casing3.jpg

[image]ftp://65.30.181.223/674477237-casing3.jpg[/image]


Edited by ticktock (10/02/04 04:55 PM)


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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - check it [Re: ticktock]
    #3207126 - 10/02/04 05:26 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Good trick ticktock

Johnny should just start turning the room light on for taking pictures hey? He's just so enthralled with the blue LEDs, its hard to convince him that anything else matters (like visual clarity).


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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - check it [Re: morian]
    #3207204 - 10/02/04 06:02 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Hi Morian,

Beats me about the blue led thing. I'm the greenest possible newbie, just starting to read the teks and considering the possibilities. I'll probably hang around for a month or so to soak up info before jumping in.

Question; I accept that blueish light is best. Has anyone done a study to discover the perfect wavelength?

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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - check it [Re: ticktock]
    #3207463 - 10/02/04 07:08 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

In The Mushroom Cultivator by Stamets and Chilton, they say" grow-lux type flourescent light high in blue spectra at 480 nanometer wavelength." Stamets and Chilton tend not to pull too many facts out of their asses (have you seen the bibliography in this thing?) so I would imagine that someone somewhere did a study, and probably published a paper on it.

Johnny isn't sure what range his LEDs are emmitting at but he figures they must be doing what they need to. Light is a sort of heated subject (do a search through the threads). So far I haven't seen pictures from anyone using LEDs besides Johnny but I have read some threads of other people that claim success with them.


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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - check it [Re: morian]
    #3208511 - 10/03/04 12:23 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I read this, then I saw that wisdom excelleth folly. As far as blue light excelleth darkness. The wise mans eyes are in his head; but the fool walketh in darkness. Then I said in my heart, as it happeneth to the fool in darkness, so it happeneth even to me; and why then was I more wise? Then I said in my heart, that this is also vanity.
So verily I say then, that hence forth the light azure is most beneficent and good; and I shall walk in its glory.


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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - check it [Re: Gesus_Kryst]
    #3208754 - 10/03/04 02:05 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I just took a look around, and blue leds seem to be around 470 nm, so that should be great. Johnny seems to be on the right track in that sense. Still, if I'm reading the teks right, the light is just a trigger. It tells the fungus that it has reached the outside surface amd it's time to fruit. Pure blue light does not happen in nature. I'm wondering if the yield is improved by using just the one color.I see what you mean now about light being a heated subject.

Blue leds were impossible just a few years ago. They went from impossible to expensive. Now they are cheap. If built into the growth chamber, that's one element that doesn't need attention. Humidity, temperature, and CO2 remian to be reckoned with.

Is Johnny using a perlite bed for humidity?

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