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Cake Vs Casing
    #3197231 - 09/29/04 09:41 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

what is the differance generally in dry grams? I know every time is different, but a guesstimate.


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Re: Cake Vs Casing [Re: Just_a_Shadow]
    #3197235 - 09/29/04 09:41 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Casings usually yield more but it's impossible to say the exact amount.


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Re: Cake Vs Casing [Re: Chimera]
    #3197340 - 09/29/04 10:03 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah I understand that, well maybe people can post their results of their caseings and cakes gram wise and also post details about how each were prepared.


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Re: Cake Vs Casing [Re: Just_a_Shadow]
    #3197450 - 09/29/04 10:32 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

The problem is cakes are usually BRF and casing are grains, straw, dung/straw. Now you have to realize BRF is a diluted substrate (substrate/verm) and that will not produce like a pure nute substrate. Cakes vs. casings isn't even an issue as far as yield is concerned. IME and IMHO


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Re: Cake Vs Casing [Re: hyphae]
    #3197505 - 09/29/04 10:49 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Well my last grow was with brf/verm with a normal verm casing, they grew well, but produced very un-potent shooms, I took a gram and felt almost nothing, and I never took any in a long time. So now im trying to figure out which substract to use and what kind of caseing, and what the differances are etc etc, I want to do the job right this time, produce max amount of potent shrooms per jar.

Heres a pic of one of my last BRF/verm casings:


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Re: Cake Vs Casing [Re: Just_a_Shadow]
    #3197512 - 09/29/04 10:51 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

one gram is a small dose... 3.5 is a decent starting dose (dry). perhaps it wasn't the mushrooms, but the dose?


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Re: Cake Vs Casing [Re: ZeroArmy27]
    #3197549 - 09/29/04 11:00 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Not likely, I've had less then one gram and tripped balls, maybe your right though, but it seems to me that they should be stronger.


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Re: Cake Vs Casing [Re: ZeroArmy27]
    #3197603 - 09/29/04 11:13 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Shroom vary considerably in potency, Also how did you dry yours LuNaTiX(method)? 3.5gms. is a good dose for the average sized guy definitely not a starting dose IMHO unless your over 200lbs.


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Re: Cake Vs Casing [Re: Just_a_Shadow]
    #3197625 - 09/29/04 11:18 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Depends HIGHLY on the strain. I've found 1 gram of brazils doesn't do me well but 1 gram of some other strains (me lika Z and cambodians). Better substrate should produce more potent shrooms though (grains above BRF and straw and poo above that). It also could be they werent dry enough. Shrooms can feel dry when being desiccated but not be completly dry. What your talking a 1 gram dosage, that's important. Also every shroom is different. You might find another shroom of the same casing to give you a bit more kick. Setting can also play a big part on how much you feel it as well. If you had 1 gram long ago were you much younger? Different mindset could have made you more reseptive to the mushies. Sorry havn't done cakes but for 1 quart worth of grain substrate cased I get about 2-3 ounces (17-30 grams for the first 3 flushes and another 3 flushes of around 7-14 grams).


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Re: Cake Vs Casing [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3197665 - 09/29/04 11:25 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

excellent advice, as for drying, I never fully dried it, i measured it and it waighed out to be 10 grams wet so i figured it was 1 gram, And I also tried more then those shrooms from that casing, to no effect. The strain was golden teacher, and I herd that others have had that problem also with that strain, and that they need a stronger substract. I'm suppose to get some B+ spores soon, will these be better with brf? or should i try this popcorn tek that seems to be all the rage? And also, which substract is cheapest in the long run, but most effective?


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Re: Cake Vs Casing [Re: Just_a_Shadow]
    #3197735 - 09/29/04 11:43 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Going to bed, but feel free to continue to talk about this subject while im gone, I need to find out new things.


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Re: Cake Vs Casing [Re: Just_a_Shadow]
    #3197810 - 09/30/04 12:02 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Shrooms are not exactly 90% water and your rough conversion using a small amount is probably where you lost it. I've found shrooms to be more like 92% water (though it depends on everything from how you grow to substrate to strain to shroom) on average so you quite probably took less then a gram. I've been having trouble getting GT's to fruit (they don't like my high 70's I think, cold shock knocked about a week and a half off the pinset time). Havn't tried theyre potency yet but I've got a flush drying. My roomate is tripping this weekend I think I'll leave them for him to test as I won't have a point for a bit where I can.

I dont know about cheapest, I've heard either popcorn or WBS are real cheap but even rye is 29 bucks for a 50 pound bag. 50 pounds does somewhere around 200 ounces if cased right. So its cost effective enough for me :smile:

B+ I've heard stall but people like their potency. Only one way to find out. All cubies are pretty much the same just different strains fit different people, you just gotta find whats right for you.


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Re: Cake Vs Casing [Re: Just_a_Shadow]
    #3197857 - 09/30/04 12:13 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

popcorn is pretty cheap, but i've found cracked corn to be my grain of choice for about $7 a 50 pound bag.


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Re: Cake Vs Casing [Re: pshawny]
    #3200144 - 09/30/04 03:46 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Oh yeah I forgot straw..7 bucks (I've heard less then 5 in places) for a bail which can produce many pounds. A bail is freakin huge and alot of straw. But you should mix with poo for best results and then you still need the other grain to spawn it with. So you spend a bit more (plus more work and hassle) but you get alot more shrooms which I think makes it probably the best bang for your buck, you just have to work a little more for it (pasturizing blah).


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Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay


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Re: Cake Vs Casing [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3200205 - 09/30/04 04:01 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I can purchase straw for $1.25 a bail.  But then again I live in a highly farm-oriented area.

Just figured I'd let everyone know about my good luck with straw prices :wink:

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