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InvisibleJohan Shultz
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Deserters or refugees??? poll
    #3191639 - 09/28/04 03:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

US soldiers, Jeremy Hinzman and  Brandon Hughey who fled to Canada to escape the politics of what they say is an illegal war now hope politics in this country can save them from being forced back home...

whole story 
I think its a different story compare to Vietnam war. No one forced those two to be a part of the military  :eek:
What do you think?????
Deserters or refugees
You may choose only one
deserters
refugees


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Edited by Johan Shultz (09/28/04 03:34 PM)


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Re: Deserters or refugees??? poll [Re: Johan Shultz]
    #3191730 - 09/28/04 03:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

they're deserters.

I like your sig BTW :thumbup:


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Re: Deserters or refugees??? poll [Re: Johan Shultz]
    #3191754 - 09/28/04 03:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

pussy ass magets... why they join the military if they only want to fight in wars they see just. they should be jail to show example... you cant pick your own wars if you pledge yourself to the military...your theyers


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Re: Deserters or refugees??? poll [Re: Johan Shultz]
    #3191936 - 09/28/04 04:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

you dont have to live like a refugee..

..when you can get blowed up in iraq instead...


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Re: Deserters or refugees??? poll [Re: Johan Shultz]
    #3192054 - 09/28/04 05:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Well...

Quote:

Johan Shultz said:
No one forced those two to be a part of the military




You have to consider the consequences of joining the military before you join it. You have to accept the possiblity that you may have to fight for what you believe is an unjust cause. When you become a soldier, you are saying that you accept and respect that possiblity.

No doubt I wish the guys the best, but at the same time I have to say that they are deserters in this situation. (Even though my heart doesn't blame them)


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Re: Deserters or refugees??? poll [Re: Mykro_Guy]
    #3192102 - 09/28/04 05:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Ya why should anyone join the military if they don't want to blindly follow. Damn free thinking deserters!!!!! I don't blame them at all for not wanting to risk their lives for something as stupid as the iraq war. And IF you do want to risk your life for that, your probably no big loss to the human race anyways.


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Re: Deserters or refugees??? poll [Re: Mykro_Guy]
    #3192192 - 09/28/04 05:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

maggot
you're
theirs

I pray you aren't a native english speaker...


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Re: Deserters or refugees??? poll [Re: MOTH]
    #3192194 - 09/28/04 05:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

EllemyshShade said:

You have to consider the consequences of joining the military before you join it.   



No you don't!!!
I'll be very rude, but if some moron voluntarily going to do what s/he told to do, eat what s/he told to eat, wear what s/he told to wear ...shall I continue??? and  don't tell me about college money and seeing the world, sick of it
  I went to school without army/parents, and visited 19 countries so far. have loans to pay, but still free and alive. sorry again, nothing personal
Peace :mad2: :mad2: :mad2: :mad2: :mad2:


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Re: Deserters or refugees??? poll [Re: Johan Shultz]
    #3192208 - 09/28/04 06:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Johan Shultz said:
Quote:

EllemyshShade said:

You have to consider the consequences of joining the military before you join it.   



No you don't!!!
I'll be very rude, but if some moron voluntarily going to do what s/he told to do, eat what s/he told to eat, wear what s/he told to wear ...shall I continue??? and  don't tell me about college money and seeing the world, sick of it
  I went to school without army/parents, and visited 19 countries so far. have loans to pay, but still free and alive. sorry again, nothing personal
Peace :mad2: :mad2: :mad2: :mad2: :mad2:




Which is why should carefully consider the consequences of joining the military.  What are you arguing about???


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Re: Deserters or refugees??? poll [Re: Johan Shultz]
    #3192213 - 09/28/04 06:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Johan Shultz said:
Quote:

EllemyshShade said:

You have to consider the consequences of joining the military before you join it.   



No you don't!!!
I'll be very rude, but if some moron voluntarily going to do what s/he told to do, eat what s/he told to eat, wear what s/he told to wear ...shall I continue??? and  don't tell me about college money and seeing the world, sick of it
  I went to school without army/parents, and visited 19 countries so far. have loans to pay, but still free and alive. sorry again, nothing personal
Peace :mad2: :mad2: :mad2: :mad2: :mad2:





What are you talking about?  I'm not saying that people should join the army.  Take out your aggression on someone else. 


Edited for niceness. 


Edited by EllemyshShade (09/28/04 06:05 PM)


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Re: Deserters or refugees??? poll [Re: afoaf]
    #3192267 - 09/28/04 06:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

what's with the influx on nonsensical newbies lately...?


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Re: Deserters or refugees??? poll [Re: afoaf]
    #3192314 - 09/28/04 07:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

oh "maggot".  I was wondering what that was, thanks :thumbup:


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Re: Deserters or refugees??? poll [Re: Johan Shultz]
    #3192880 - 09/28/04 08:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Not that I agree with what they are doing, they did volunteer and were fully aware of the risks of seeing combat someday; but since this is an undeclared war, can they actualy be charged with desertion ? I thought you could only be charged with that during a time of war.

I consider them AWOL, but not deserters.


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Re: Deserters or refugees??? poll [Re: MOTH]
    #3193856 - 09/29/04 01:51 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

EllemyshShade said:
Quote:

Johan Shultz said:
Quote:

EllemyshShade said:

You have to consider the consequences of joining the military before you join it.   



No you don't!!!
I'll be very rude, but if some moron voluntarily going to do what s/he told to do, eat what s/he told to eat, wear what s/he told to wear ...shall I continue??? and  don't tell me about college money and seeing the world, sick of it
  I went to school without army/parents, and visited 19 countries so far. have loans to pay, but still free and alive. sorry again, nothing personal
Peace :mad2: :mad2: :mad2: :mad2: :mad2:





What are you talking about?  I'm not saying that people should join the army.  Take out your aggression on someone else. 


Edited for niceness. 






Sorry, man. u r right...my apology. All this shit just drives me nuuuuts


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Re: Deserters or refugees??? poll [Re: Johan Shultz]
    #3194634 - 09/29/04 08:11 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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No you don't!!!




yes, yes you do. It's called personal responsibility. If you buy a car you are expected to follow particular rules and pay on time.

Quote:

I'll be very rude, but if some moron voluntarily going to do what s/he told to do, eat what s/he told to eat, wear what s/he told to wear




those morons as you put it risk their lives every day and this is known before they go in (it's about as rediculous as the people who sue cigarette companies because they didn't know they were bad). It's easy and cowardly to call these people morons without knowing what and why they need to follow orders.

Quote:

shall I continue???




sure because you've made no sense up to this point.

Quote:

and don't tell me about college money and seeing the world, sick of it




You have no idea what you're talking about. VERY ignorant in your thinking.

Quote:

went to school without army/parents, and visited 19 countries so far.




so if there's a poor guy or somone who just wants to serve in the military they are somehow inferior to you because you didn't need those things for college? I've met many friends from the military, earned some money for college even though I had the grades to make it into college and the ability to afford it. I did it because I wanted to. However there are some people who needed the money, needed some discipline in their life or were headed into the wrong direction. Not everyone does it for those 2 basic reasons and at the same time many do. You say it's BS and I say you have no clue.

19? why so few?


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Edited by Innvertigo (09/29/04 08:16 AM)


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Re: Deserters or refugees??? poll [Re: Johan Shultz]
    #3194640 - 09/29/04 08:14 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Johan Shultz said:
Quote:

EllemyshShade said:
Quote:

Johan Shultz said:
Quote:

EllemyshShade said:

You have to consider the consequences of joining the military before you join it.   



No you don't!!!
I'll be very rude, but if some moron voluntarily going to do what s/he told to do, eat what s/he told to eat, wear what s/he told to wear ...shall I continue??? and  don't tell me about college money and seeing the world, sick of it
  I went to school without army/parents, and visited 19 countries so far. have loans to pay, but still free and alive. sorry again, nothing personal
Peace :mad2: :mad2: :mad2: :mad2: :mad2:





What are you talking about?  I'm not saying that people should join the army.  Take out your aggression on someone else. 


Edited for niceness. 






Sorry, man. u r right...my apology. All this shit just drives me nuuuuts




It's cool  :sun:


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