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OfflineJameZTheNewbie
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N. Korean NUKES
    #3191014 - 09/28/04 12:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Hi,

What do you guys think about this???


N korea has nuclear weapons
Minister: N. Korea Has Nuclear Deterrent

By EDITH M. LEDERER

UNITED NATIONS (AP) - North Korea says it has turned the plutonium from 8,000 spent nuclear fuel rods into nuclear weapons to serve as a deterrent against increasing U.S. nuclear threats and to prevent a nuclear war in northeast Asia.

Warning that the danger of war on the Korean peninsula ``is snowballing,'' Vice Foreign Minister Choe Su Hon provided details Monday of the nuclear deterrent that he said North Korea has developed for self-defense.

He told the U.N. General Assembly's annual ministerial meeting that Pyongyang had ``no other option but to possess a nuclear deterrent'' because of U.S. policies that he claimed were designed to ``eliminate'' North Korea and make it ``a target of preemptive nuclear strikes.''

``Our deterrent is, in all its intents and purposes, the self-defensive means to cope with the ever increasing U.S. nuclear threats and further, prevent a nuclear war in northeast Asia,'' he told a news conference after his speech.


In Washington, a State Department official noted that Secretary of State Colin Powell has said repeatedly that the United States has no plans to attack the communist country.


But in his General Assembly speech and at the press conference with a small group of reporters, Choe blamed the United States for intensifying threats to attack the communist nation and destroying the basis for negotiations to resolve the dispute over Pyongyang's nuclear program.


Nonetheless, he said, North Korea is still ready to dismantle its nuclear program if Washington abandons its ``hostile policy'' and is prepared to coexist peacefully.


At the moment, however, he said ``the ever intensifying U.S. hostile policy and the clandestine nuclear-related experiments recently revealed in South Korea are constituting big stumbling blocks'' and make it impossible for North Korea to participate in the continuation of six-nation talks on its nuclear program.


North Korea said earlier this year that it had reprocessed the 8,000 spent nuclear fuel rods and was increasing its ``nuclear deterrent'' but did not provide any details.


Choe was asked at the news conference what was included in the nuclear deterrent.


``We have already made clear that we have already reprocessed 8,000 wasted fuel rods and transformed them into arms,'' he said, without elaborating on the kinds or numbers.


When asked if the fuel had been turned into actual weapons, not just weapons-grade material, Choe said, ``We declared that we weaponized this.''


South Korean Deputy Foreign Minister Lee Soo-hyuck said in late April that it was estimated that eight nuclear bombs could be made if all 8,000 spent nuclear fuel rods were reprocessed. Before the reprocessing, South Korea said it believed the North had enough nuclear material to build one or two nuclear bombs.


The State Department official said he hadn't seen Choe's comments but noted that the Bush administration has long believed that North Korea has at least one or two nuclear weapons. The official, asking not to be identified, said the North Koreans also have made a number of conflicting statements about how far along their weapons development programs have come.


The crisis erupted in 2002 when the United States accused North Korea of running a secret nuclear weapons program. The United States, the two Koreas, Japan, China and Russia since have held three rounds of talks on curbing the North's nuclear ambitions, but have produced no breakthroughs.


``If the six-party talks are to be resumed, the basis for the talks demolished by the United States should be properly set up and the truth of the secret nuclear experiments in South Korea clarified completely,'' Choe told the General Assembly.


South Korea disclosed recently that its scientists conducted a plutonium-based nuclear experiment more than 20 years ago and a uranium-enrichment experiment in 2000. It denied having any weapons ambitions, and an investigation by the International Atomic Energy Agency is under way.


Choe told the press conference that North Korea wants an explanation because Pyongyang believes it is impossible that such experiments took place ``without U.S. technology and U.S. approval.''


He also accused President George W. Bush's administration of being ``dead set against'' reconciliation between North and South Korea, and of adopting an ``extremely undisguised ... hostile policy'' toward the country after it came to power in early 2001.


``As it becomes clear that the U.S. has been pursuing the aim to stifle the DPRK by military means, so our determination to build up a powerful deterrent becomes resolute more and more,'' Choe said, using the initials of North Korea's official name, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.


At the third round of six-party talks in June, the United States proposed that the North disclose all its nuclear activities, help to dismantle facilities and allow outside monitoring. Under the plan, some benefits would be withheld to ensure the North cooperates.


But North Korea said it would never scrap its nuclear programs first and wait to get rewarded later. Instead, it insisted on ``reward for freeze.''


Choe said a freeze would be ``the first step toward eventual dismantlement of our nuclear program'' - and that Pyongyang had intended ``to include in the freeze no more manufacturing of nuclear weapons, and no test and transfer of them.''


A freeze would be followed by ``objective verification,'' he said.



09/28/04 05:15

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I find this very interesting because about two weeks ago there was a mushroom cloud spotted over n. korea. It was 2.5 miles wide and said to leave a crater large enough to be seen by satelites. Also it was on the annervisary of the communist government. The US said it wasnt nuclear the south said the didnt know and the North said no comment. Now today they claim to have them.

Now i know that they said this back in april of 2003 but after the mushroom cloud. i think its entirely possible and maybe the US is hiding the fact considering a few things.

One- we cant do shit about it. i think the koreans are basicaly saying if we have them so will they. but i could be wrong. but we still cant do shit.

TWO- we are in iraq because they have WMD but well where are they? And now we have korea with a nuclear weapon and where are we? i find this all very interesting.

THIRD - We were suppose to be talking them down. but instead we added them to the "AXIL OF EVIL" list and now look what happend. they are nuclear. maybe thats not our fault. but can we really say we helped. and dont give me any of that revearse phycology o we gotta be tough against them thats the only thing they understand bullshit. because thats all that it is, its BULLSHIT.

Now what. What is next? whats our move?

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Re: N. Korean NUKES [Re: JameZTheNewbie]
    #3191041 - 09/28/04 12:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Thinking about scary stuff like this sucks...


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Re: N. Korean NUKES [Re: Viaggio]
    #3191057 - 09/28/04 12:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

especialy when the president believes that hes god and believes in armagedon


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Re: N. Korean NUKES [Re: JameZTheNewbie]
    #3191066 - 09/28/04 12:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Our president, or their president?


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Re: N. Korean NUKES [Re: Gijith]
    #3191072 - 09/28/04 12:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Ours.


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Re: N. Korean NUKES [Re: JameZTheNewbie]
    #3191106 - 09/28/04 12:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

If it was nuclear, then there would be detectable fallout from the mushroom cloud. There are monitoring stations all over the world, most of which the US does not control. Nobody has detected anything and reported it, so I find it highly unlikely that the event was nuclear. This is how we found out about Chernobyl's meltdown in the old Soviet Union.


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Re: N. Korean NUKES [Re: Seuss]
    #3191114 - 09/28/04 12:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Seuss said:
If it was nuclear, then there would be detectable fallout from the mushroom cloud. There are monitoring stations all over the world, most of which the US does not control. Nobody has detected anything and reported it, so I find it highly unlikely that the event was nuclear. This is how we found out about Chernobyl's meltdown in the old Soviet Union.




Back in the day when we were testing nukes out in the hinterlands of the united states, we would detonate huge amounts of normal high explosives in order to calibrate instruments and generally do a comparitive study between the two explosions. I'm not saying this is what NK has done, but it's definitely a possibility.


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Re: N. Korean NUKES [Re: Seuss]
    #3191188 - 09/28/04 01:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

im not familiar with the capabilities of the world to detect nuclear explosions. im sure they would. but i still dont know. i hope you are right. but even if it wasnt. that still doesnt change the situation all that much. they claim to have them. But we have no proof. lets see what happens. Id like to think they are bluffing. but i feel that thats a fools hope.


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Re: N. Korean NUKES [Re: JameZTheNewbie]
    #3191205 - 09/28/04 01:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

> im not familiar with the capabilities of the world to detect nuclear explosions.

As long as the test is above ground, the world will know. During the cold war, the US used to fly planes with special scoops to pick up radioactive particles from tests which were done by the soviet union. The US engineers were able to reverse engineer the designs the Soviets were coming up with just by looking at the chemisty and physics of the fallout.

> we would detonate huge amounts of normal high explosives in order to calibrate instruments

I am only aware of one time that this was done, and that was before the first blast at trinity. If memory serves, around 100 tons of TNT was detonated around 20 miles away from ground zero, before the first nuclear blast, to provide a control for photographic comparison of the blast sizes.


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Re: N. Korean NUKES [Re: Seuss]
    #3191249 - 09/28/04 01:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

well does a under ground test result in a mushroom cloud and if so does it produce readition thats readable?


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Re: N. Korean NUKES [Re: JameZTheNewbie]
    #3191332 - 09/28/04 02:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

> well does a under ground test result in a mushroom cloud

No, not typically.


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Re: N. Korean NUKES [Re: Seuss]
    #3191461 - 09/28/04 02:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

oh i see.


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Re: N. Korean NUKES [Re: Seuss]
    #3191925 - 09/28/04 04:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

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> im not familiar with the capabilities of the world to detect nuclear explosions.

As long as the test is above ground, the world will know. During the cold war, the US used to fly planes with special scoops to pick up radioactive particles from tests which were done by the soviet union. The US engineers were able to reverse engineer the designs the Soviets were coming up with just by looking at the chemisty and physics of the fallout.




Back when the US was still testing nukes quite a bit on American soil a junior high kid( i believe may have been high school) for his school science project developed something where he could detect every time a nuke went off in the world from his house. It was fairely interesting, had to do with the shockwave nukes emit that travels around the world a few times.


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