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OfflinePhred
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No, this is NOT a satire...
    #3189088 - 09/28/04 12:44 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

France seeking to put pullout on agenda
Brian Knowlton/IHT IHT
Tuesday, September 28, 2004

Paris also wants 'all forces in Iraq' at proposed talks
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WASHINGTON France said Monday that it would take part in a proposed international conference on Iraq only if the agenda included a possible U.S. troop withdrawal, thus complicating the planning for a meeting that has drawn mixed reactions.

Paris also wants representatives of Iraq's insurgent groups to be invited to a conference in October or November, a call that would seem difficult for the Bush administration to accept.

http://www.iht.com/articles/540741.html more at the link

I tell you folks, you just can't make stuff like this up.

France is now surrendering in a war in which it didn't fight. You gotta give them credit -- not every country can manage something like that.

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Re: No, this is NOT a satire... [Re: Phred]
    #3189132 - 09/28/04 12:50 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

:shrug:

at least someone is suggesting it


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Re: No, this is NOT a satire... [Re: Phred]
    #3189137 - 09/28/04 12:51 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not a big fan of the french government, but I'm getting pretty sick of every slack jawed neocon rambling about how easily they surrender, blah blah, surrender monkeys blah blah. What most people forget is that france was basically the front line in both world wars and was devastated by the advancing armies.

Molly Ivins has an excellent piece written about it. Don't be a gaping ass of limbaughian syndication. Think for yourselves.


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Re: No, this is NOT a satire... [Re: Phred]
    #3189275 - 09/28/04 01:10 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Actually, I think inviting representatives from Iraq's insurgents is a good idea. They're either going to spout rhetoric, and make fools of themselves, or they're going to attempt to convey a rational argument. Even though they will likely fail, it might teach them something about using diplomacy and political maneuvering to obtain their goals.


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Re: No, this is NOT a satire... [Re: Phluck]
    #3189295 - 09/28/04 01:14 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Phluck said:
Actually, I think inviting representatives from Iraq's insurgents is a good idea. They're either going to spout rhetoric, and make fools of themselves, or they're going to attempt to convey a rational argument. Even though they will likely fail, it might teach them something about using diplomacy and political maneuvering to obtain their goals.




They sure as hell won't learn it from the Bush administration. Well except the political maneuvering bit. Crap they might rig their elections too!


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Re: No, this is NOT a satire... [Re: Phred]
    #3189365 - 09/28/04 01:24 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

France was lambasted for NOT putting up a stronger resistance when being occupied and Iraq is being lambasted for putting up a decent resistance against an occupying force. No irony there.


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Re: No, this is NOT a satire... [Re: Phred]
    #3189378 - 09/28/04 01:26 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I'll give props to the French for showing the insane balls they have over the past few years. And for the good food and wine.

But they fall short on everything else.
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Re: No, this is NOT a satire... [Re: Phred]
    #3190301 - 09/28/04 04:43 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I see you are a fully fledged member of the war on peace then pinky?


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Re: No, this is NOT a satire... [Re: Phred]
    #3190383 - 09/28/04 05:17 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

France is now surrendering in a war in which it didn't fight

Or trying to stop a catastrophic and illegal occupation.

Incidentally, who do you believe you are "at war" with?


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Re: No, this is NOT a satire... [Re: Phred]
    #3190385 - 09/28/04 05:18 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Unsure where you get surrender from that ?
Were france not always against usa troops being
in an illegal war in iraq?

Do you think its wrong to talk to the people
involved ?


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Re: No, this is NOT a satire... [Re: Loki]
    #3190403 - 09/28/04 05:23 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Were france not always against usa troops being

Not only France. The UN too.


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Re: No, this is NOT a satire... [Re: unbeliever]
    #3190537 - 09/28/04 07:28 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

I'm not a big fan of the french government, but I'm getting pretty sick of every slack jawed neocon rambling about how easily they surrender, blah blah, surrender monkeys blah blah. What most people forget is that france was basically the front line in both world wars and was devastated by the advancing armies.




people also seem to disregard that french are the culture who conquered most of europe 200 years ago.


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Re: No, this is NOT a satire... [Re: Loki]
    #3190697 - 09/28/04 09:58 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Loki said:
Do you think its wrong to talk to the people
involved ?




I think its insane to ask the 'enemy' to join you for peace talks, you know
they will make outlandish demands like "stop shooting us"


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Re: No, this is NOT a satire... [Re: Tao]
    #3190757 - 09/28/04 10:31 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah. They were gay licks back then too.


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Re: No, this is NOT a satire... [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #3190789 - 09/28/04 10:43 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Hating the french is like wearing sunglasses, they make you look like a douchebag, but for some reason they're always in style.


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Re: No, this is NOT a satire... [Re: Phred]
    #3191170 - 09/28/04 01:13 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

How are france surrendering if there is no war ? I thought the war
was over, and we are just there to support the puppet government we placed in charge.

Are ways of seeking peace always classed as surrendering in you mind?


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Re: No, this is NOT a satire... [Re: Phred]
    #3191209 - 09/28/04 01:28 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

reminds me how they changed the french fries in my school to liberty fries and added little american flags on the bags.


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Re: No, this is NOT a satire... [Re: JameZTheNewbie]
    #3191218 - 09/28/04 01:32 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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JameZTheNewbie said:
reminds me how they changed the french fries in my school to liberty fries and added little american flags on the bags.




Hah are you serious? How retarded can you get. Saudi terrorists bomb the world trade centers, lets blame France!

Oh and, yes I had heard about the whole freedom fries thing before, just not heard of it actually being applied that much.


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Re: No, this is NOT a satire... [Re: unbeliever]
    #3191254 - 09/28/04 01:40 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

lol oh ya freedom fries my bad


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Re: No, this is NOT a satire... [Re: JameZTheNewbie]
    #3191266 - 09/28/04 01:43 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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JameZTheNewbie said:
reminds me how they changed the french fries in my school to liberty fries and added little american flags on the bags.




I didnt think it was posssible, but that whole episode looks even stupider as the war gets worse and worse and it becomes clear to anyone that america was completely wrong in that disagreement.


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