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OfflineSmarterChild
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ID Please
    #3188153 - 09/28/04 04:43 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I think these are Psilocybe Caerulipes, but I hope you all will give me the final word.
I found these in Central New York, growing in a shady, wet, grassy field near woods.
Gills: Brown, attached to the stem.
Measurements: Cap: 2-3 mm across. Stem: 3-11 mm long.
Stem: White, hollow, cracks and splits easily.
Cap: Orange/tanish in the middle, getting more tan and almost whitish going out. Not particularly slimy.
Spore Print: Chocolate brownish.
Bruises: Yes, bruising blue primarily at the ends of the stems and at the top of the cap.
Scent: Mushroomy?

For a while i thought these were Psathyrella Conopilus and Psathyrella Multipledata, until they started bruising blue. It was amazing how many I found of these, they seemed endless!

Here are some pictures. Sorry they are blurry, I'm working with a digital camera.
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/jwccs46/mushroom1.JPG
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/jwccs46/mushroom2.JPG


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Re: ID Please [Re: SmarterChild]
    #3188171 - 09/28/04 04:46 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Caerelupes do tend to grow in huge numbers at any one location! If so then its a hell of a find! congrats


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    #3188192 - 09/28/04 04:50 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: ID Please [Re: SmarterChild]
    #3188243 - 09/28/04 05:01 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I'm kicking my own ass right now. Back in August, I found a mushroom that looked just like that next to a creek in pennsylvania. It looked sort of like a coprinus because of the translucency of the cap, but when I smelled it, it reminded me so much of the smell of cubensis. I've heard that psilocybes have a distinctive odor, but I wasn't sure whether the same held true between wood and dung lovers. The specimen was too obliterated by the time I got back so I didn't take a print. Anyway, smell them again and try to describe if it smells different from the button mushrooms you get in the store. This could be quite telling.


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Re: ID Please [Re: TheHateCamel]
    #3188473 - 09/28/04 05:40 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

:frown: what else might they be?


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Re: ID Please [Re: SmarterChild]
    #3189248 - 09/28/04 08:06 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

looks to be some sort of Psathyrella to me...

but even if its not, its definitely NOT a psilocybe.


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Re: ID Please [Re: Psilygirl]
    #3192462 - 09/29/04 02:34 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

How come they bruise blue then?


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Re: ID Please [Re: SmarterChild]
    #3192523 - 09/29/04 02:48 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I don't see any blue bruising, are you SURE about that?? a lot of people will throw that in their descriptions because they read it is a common characteristic of psilocybes and are not judging objectively, so I am kind of sceptical when the other characteristics don't match up with Psilocybe.

also caerulipes is not supposed to grow in grassy fields and the stems of every Psilocybe I've picked do not split easily like in your picture and description, that's a trait more common to Psathyrella and Coprinus...

better pics would be helpful if you can get them.

DH


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Re: ID Please [Re: spores]
    #3192617 - 09/29/04 03:05 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Yes I am sure they bruise blue. Look on the top of the cap in the first picture. Not all of these mushrooms have bruised blue, only some and the blueing is most prominent at the bottom of the stems, and on the caps.

Also: I ate two caps last night (I do understand the dangers and maybe it wasn't so smart) and about 15 minutes after eating them, I defenitely started feeling SOMETHING. Alot of the things I experienced correlate to the threshold dose effects:
Threshold Effects : (from .25gm - .75gms P. Cubensis)Slight cold feeling, mild gas or nausea, nervous-feeling, slight pupil-dilation, mild visual changes including lights seeming brighter, lights having a 'starry' look, and noticing movement at the periphery of vision, giddiness, feeling more emotionally sensitive, and many other effects related to a change in neurochemistry.

I felt alot of those, so maybe I just didn't take enough of these mystery mushrooms? I do understand the danger, I don't feel like getting yelled at for it.


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Re: ID Please [Re: SmarterChild]
    #3192675 - 09/29/04 03:12 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

The mushrooms in the first pic DEFINETLY show blueish/green bruising that is plain on the cap. And from what I've read caerulipes grow on decaying wood in manmade areas and mulch and what not but I've never found em so I could be wrong.


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Re: ID Please [Re: vandago]
    #3192681 - 09/29/04 03:14 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Also pan subbs stems split quite a bit like that. It's like they have vertical lines running up them.


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Re: ID Please [Re: vandago]
    #3192787 - 09/29/04 03:32 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Interesting....need better pictures to
analyze macro features... decent description..
too by the way... Nofindeum....


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Re: ID Please [Re: vandago]
    #3192794 - 09/29/04 03:32 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, after looking at the pan sub pictures on mushroomjohn, I'm thinking they might be pan subs actually.
http://www.mushroomjohn.com/species16c/lk25.jpg
http://www.mushroomjohn.com/species16c/lk24.jpg

Those look exactly like what I picked.

"Stem: ...Hollow with short white fibrils. Sometimes bluing at base of the stem." (Mushroomjohn)

BINGO


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Re: ID Please [Re: SmarterChild]
    #3192856 - 09/29/04 03:44 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

pan subbs don't have chocolate brown spores.

DH


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Re: ID Please [Re: spores]
    #3192861 - 09/29/04 03:45 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

oh yeah :frown:


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Re: ID Please [Re: SmarterChild]
    #3192968 - 09/29/04 04:10 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah it's so easy to get one species mixed with another. If you really want to be sure take a good spore print and put it untder a microscope... you can usually pick up tell tail signs at 100x zoom. You can find one of those in an elemetary school so im sure you could find one at a library.

Note, Spore prints aren't illeagal in most places as far as i know, but make sure NOT to bring your solid state specimen to a public library.

keep in mind too that there are still millions of unidentified mushroom species out there so your sample may be an undiscovered strain.


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