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OfflineMrBump
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2 questions on muslim immigration to western countries
    #3186133 - 09/27/04 01:48 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Why is it that Muslims insist that Muslims should enjoy all human rights and make infinite number of mosques in western countries but ban non-Muslim (infidels) from Mecca and Medina?*

Why do Muslims insist on the evils of the Western culture and the virtues of Islam but at the same time do everything possible to immigrate to the West in order to escape oppression of the Islamic countries?*

*paraphrased from a testimonial on faithfreedom.org

Ive been reading alot about massive muslim immigration to EU nations and i for one know that there are very large pockets of muslims immigrating to the US (see Detroit.)

the cultures are clashing (headdressed in France are banned causing muslim outrage, muslims in a detroit suburb want mosques to be able to toll bells when its time to pray, for example) will the muslims ever assimilate into cultures that they immigrate to?
(and im not talking about coversion to christainity or judaism when i speak of assimilation)


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Re: 2 questions on muslim immigration to western countries [Re: MrBump]
    #3186350 - 09/27/04 02:58 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

The UK has gone crazy about muslim immigration.

"Why is it that Muslims insist that Muslims should enjoy all human rights and make infinite number of mosques in western countries but ban non-Muslim (infidels) from Mecca and Medina?* "

How do you know that the muslims that emigrate hold these views?

When someone emigrates to a country, they should respect the laws of that country. If they do this, there is no problem. I see nothing to suggest that muslims do this less than others.


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Re: 2 questions on muslim immigration to western countries [Re: deafpanda]
    #3186505 - 09/27/04 03:35 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

i guess i should asked the first question differently, forget the mosque building....
but it is my understanding that muslims want non-muslims (jews, christains) out of the islamic holy centers of mecca and medina.

i guess im trying to merely understand if there is any hypocracy going on with immigration of muslims to western countries...
they (muslims) seem to be moving all over the EU in droves, but muslims also want westerners to stay the hell out "muslim only" holy-lands.

(the kidnapping of westerners by some muslim militants and ransoming them in exchange for lifting the ban on headdresses in paris schools, for example:

the towels were banned for most likely legitimate, educational reasons... so in retaliation to this crime against Islam, these extremists kidnapp and threaten to behead french photographers simply doing contract work in the middle east)


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Re: 2 questions on muslim immigration to western countries [Re: MrBump]
    #3186616 - 09/27/04 03:59 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

The answer is greed. They want the enormous wealth found in classical civilizations, yet they also resist the culture with great intensity. They refuse to believe that it is classical culture that produces the great wealth. It is very disrespectful, and very dangerous to those who are the practitioners of classical culture.


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Re: 2 questions on muslim immigration to western countries [Re: DieCommie]
    #3186943 - 09/27/04 05:19 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I don't know what your personal experience of muslim immigants is, but the few I know here in England don't quite fit your mould.

One man I knew was a petrochemical engineer, his wife was a medical doctor. They fled to the UK from Iran after the fundementalists took control.
He could find employment as a univerisity tutor, however his wife was denied her professional career as the medical school in Iran wound not confirm or deny any female qualifications, with a young daughter you can see why they fled.

They moved to the US a few years ago, I wish them all the best, they are good people.


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Re: 2 questions on muslim immigration to western countries [Re: MrBump]
    #3186970 - 09/27/04 05:26 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

They come to West, because they like to drive taxis, sell boomboxes and kebabs, make many kids, and receive a welfare check for each of them  :crazy2:
Its a JOKE :wink:


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Re: 2 questions on muslim immigration to western countries [Re: MrBump]
    #3187120 - 09/27/04 05:58 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I think that 'most Muslims' that move to western countries are not the fundamentalist type, tends to be the opposite. Most are running from these backward fundamentalist nightmares.

For one, its not that easy to just up-sticks and move county. It takes planning contacts, and money. You think about it, if you had to for some reason, out of the country by dawn. Without money you are up a certain creek without a paddle. It also helps to speak the lingo where you are heading. These highly skilled immigrants seem to get looked over in favor of bigoted headlines.

The same is now happening in Iraq, its lawless out there, many of the people with the means to get out, are. They tend to be the dentists, doctors, engineers and other skilled people with the ability to.


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Re: 2 questions on muslim immigration to western countries [Re: MrBump]
    #3187223 - 09/27/04 06:20 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

The people fleeing a state and the State they are fleeing are not the same thing.


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Re: 2 questions on muslim immigration to western countries [Re: deafpanda]
    #5820102 - 07/04/06 03:50 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

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deafpanda said:
The UK has gone crazy about muslim immigration.

"Why is it that Muslims insist that Muslims should enjoy all human rights and make infinite number of mosques in western countries but ban non-Muslim (infidels) from Mecca and Medina?* "

How do you know that the muslims that emigrate hold these views?

When someone emigrates to a country, they should respect the laws of that country. If they do this, there is no problem. I see nothing to suggest that muslims do this less than others.




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Re: 2 questions on muslim immigration to western countries [Re: MrBump]
    #5820134 - 07/04/06 04:00 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

i think we should tighly restrict immigration to the US from muslim countries. islam is not compatible with the values of liberty, and we have enough religious conservatives casting ballots and influencing our government as it is. the most extreme amongst them pose a direct threat from terrorism. it's too late for europe, but not us. only ones with important skills and without ties to fundamentalist groups should be admitted.


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Re: 2 questions on muslim immigration to western countries [Re: wilshire]
    #5821208 - 07/04/06 09:33 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

I'll see you and raise you the deportation of ALL religious zealots, starting with the perineum slough in the White House, all his Zionist cohorts and all televangelists.






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Re: 2 questions on muslim immigration to western countries [Re: Trepiodos]
    #5821723 - 07/05/06 12:41 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

I think you are making quite a generalization. "Muslims" can't just be bunched together like that. There isn't a muslim hive queen that dictates orders to them telepathically. Just as with any other nationality or religion, there are bound to be vast number of unique ideological perspectives.

Might it be possible that the muslim immigrants would very much like to have free religion in their home country? It might even be the reason they came to the US in the first place.


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Re: 2 questions on muslim immigration to western countries [Re: deafpanda]
    #5822559 - 07/05/06 05:48 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

deafpanda said:
The UK has gone crazy about muslim immigration. 

"Why is it that Muslims insist that Muslims should enjoy all human rights and make infinite number of mosques in western countries but ban non-Muslim (infidels) from Mecca and Medina?* "

How do you know that the muslims that emigrate hold these views?

When someone emigrates to a country, they should respect the laws of that country.  If they do this, there is no problem.  I see nothing to suggest that muslims do this less than others.




totally agree with the part that you quoted

one thing that bothers me is if they are refugees escaping a  regime theyve created themselves or poverty why do they want to enter politics in their new free country of choice....to change our systems to that which they fled from?
thats called the enemy living within :thumbdown:


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Re: 2 questions on muslim immigration to western countries [Re: bumbleskunk]
    #5822846 - 07/05/06 11:09 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Might it be possible that the muslim immigrants would very much like to have free religion in their home country? It might even be the reason they came to the US in the first place.

of course it's possible. i'd say it's probable. but it's a fact that a bunch of these kinds of yahoos are coming with them:





i'm not saying expel muslims or immigrants from muslim countries who are american citizens. they are citizens and they have their rights. no one who isn't yet has a inherent right to emmigrate to our country though. we allow people to come here when it benefits us. we may deny anyone entry for any reason.


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Re: 2 questions on muslim immigration to western countries [Re: wilshire]
    #5822913 - 07/05/06 11:36 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

we allow people to come here when it benefits us.

It can benefit some of us and not others. Tony Blair and the bosses are extremely keen on mass immigration because it drives down wages and reduces the power of unions. And because they themselves can avoid the negative consequences of large scale immigration by living in expensive areas.

If an extremist muslim will work for a buck fifty an hour while everyone else wants 2 bucks then the extremist muslim will be employed. If you want the free market then you'd better get used to large scale immigration.


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Re: 2 questions on muslim immigration to western countries [Re: Alex213]
    #5823059 - 07/05/06 12:40 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

If you want the free market then you'd better get used to large scale immigration.

that doesn't follow. why?


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Re: 2 questions on muslim immigration to western countries [Re: wilshire]
    #5823930 - 07/05/06 05:08 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

The first waves of muslims are trojan horses. They pretend to be working with the people of their host country, but when their numbers increase the murder machine starts up. They attack and kill all non-muslims and any muslims who aren't fundamentalist (ie. part of the murder machine). Islam is a brain disease that spreads by killing people who don't believe in Islam. The fundamentalist muslims make room for their own kind and reproduce more Islamic murderers and this then spreads to other countries.


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Re: 2 questions on muslim immigration to western countries [Re: wilshire]
    #5824217 - 07/05/06 06:14 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

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If you want the free market then you'd better get used to large scale immigration.

that doesn't follow. why?




Cheaper labour than the indiginous population means bigger profits for the directors. Why shouldn't they allow in millions of muslims from Pakistan if they will work cheap? That's the free market in action. What right have you to intefere with business profits?


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Re: 2 questions on muslim immigration to western countries [Re: Alex213]
    #5824271 - 07/05/06 06:27 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Why shouldn't they allow in millions of muslims from Pakistan if they will work cheap?

because they pose a security risk and hold values which we do not want adopted by our governing bodies.

What right have you to intefere with business profits?

you have a right to offer employment to as many pakistanis as you want, but they don't have a right to enter the country to accept it.


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Re: 2 questions on muslim immigration to western countries [Re: wilshire]
    #5826156 - 07/06/06 02:38 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

because they pose a security risk and hold values which we do not want adopted by our governing bodies

It's a pretty small security risk tho. Certainly nothing compared to the profits to be made by using their cheap labour. As to holding different values, who cares? Money talks, bullshit walks. Even if they were letting a bomb off every year the death toll still wouldn't compare to the potential profits.

ou have a right to offer employment to as many pakistanis as you want, but they don't have a right to enter the country to accept it.

It's no use offering them employment if they can't work here is it? The right-wingers in Europe like Blair have already seen the light. Mass immigration equals cheap labour equals bigger profits. Britian is currently being swamped by foreign labour. Only the "socialist dinosaurs" like France and Germany are still resisting. If we're going the route of the free market then mass immigration is inevitable. The US is going to be swamped, just like the UK. The profits to be made are too huge to be ignored.


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