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Hoping from Michigan! ID help, please!
    #3182862 - 09/26/04 04:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Hey everyone,

Just joined, hope to be around quite a bit! anyways, I would like some ID help.

On this fine, midwestern autumn day, i decided to take a post's advice about looking on the lawns of "rich fuckers". living not far from a whole community of said lawns and owners, i took a drive and started walking around. 2 hours later, i had several ounces of little brown mushrooms of varying sizes. The tall, skinny ones looks like what might be libery caps (I'm no mycologist, so dont flame me for my pathetic guesses). I also have larger, browner ones. I could make a feeble attempt to describe them, but i have pics instead!

This is some of shrooms on a regular-sized Kleenex tissue:



Heres the smaller one:



(EDIT Third type of mushroom, different than previous picture)



heres the browner one:



And its cap/gills:



Thanks Everyone,

MI_Myco


Edited by MI_Myco (09/26/04 06:23 PM)


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Re: Hoping from Michigan! ID help, please! [Re: MI_Myco]
    #3182988 - 09/26/04 05:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Ooops, forgot to add. These were all found in very fertilized, well watered lawns located in southeastern michigan. Temp. has been 70's last 2 weeks, and the last rainfall was 3 days ago.


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Re: Hoping from Michigan! ID help, please! [Re: MI_Myco]
    #3182993 - 09/26/04 05:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

sounds like your really close to me


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Re: Hoping from Michigan! ID help, please! [Re: MI_Myco]
    #3182999 - 09/26/04 05:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

MI_Myco said:
I could make a feeble attempt to describe them, but i have pics instead!





that's great you can get quality pictures and all, but without descriptions they're next to useless, especially with mixed collections of little brown mushrooms (LBMs) such as what you're asking us to ID.  I see what may be panaeolina foenisecii and conocybe lactea or other relatives of those species, but without at least knowing the color of the spore prints all we can do is guess.  none of them are liberty caps though, that much I can say for sure.

looking in lawns will only be fruitful in certain areas of the country and if you go back and read the post where you read to look in the lawns of 'rich fuckers' you will probably see that it was not in your region.

finally, going and picking a bunch of different LBMs in hopes you'll find something active is not the way to hunt.  first, you need to find what species grow in your state (FAQ/search engine), pick a species or 2 from the list and research them, find out what kind of habitat they grow in and then go to their habitat to hunt them.  it takes (just a little :wink: ) more effort than going out and picking everything that looks like pictures you saw on erowid or whatever.

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Re: Hoping from Michigan! ID help, please! [Re: sonoma]
    #3183000 - 09/26/04 05:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

are you outside detroit-ish?


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Re: Hoping from Michigan! ID help, please! [Re: MI_Myco]
    #3183006 - 09/26/04 05:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

ok mybe not that close im about 15 mins north of IN just off of I69


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Re: Hoping from Michigan! ID help, please! [Re: sonoma]
    #3183114 - 09/26/04 06:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

pan foens
maybe mycena...Not active
too late for pan subbs up there..
Look for G. spectabilis....


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Re: Hoping from Michigan! ID help, please! [Re: nofind_um]
    #3183157 - 09/26/04 06:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

First, i did take the spore print initative, but im waiting on that. I just picked those this afternoon, and dont want to prematurely disturb the prints. Second off, I did do some research, and did decided on a few to go look for. I did decided on several lawn growing varietys that were mentioned here, but i was not sure if they grew in michigan. I have gone into other habitats before with little success, besides what are obviously poisonous. And finally, the idea came from this forum, not the rabble over at erowid. So, to avoid 'uslessness', i'll give my best shot to explain them:

This might help:

Type 1 (picture 3)

-Cap

Beige to Light Brown. Conic. Width 1 cm - 2cm. Height ~ 1cm. Flat edge. Moist to touch. Smooth. Low odor, somewhat mushroomy.

-Gills

Free. Close - Avg. Spacing. Avg. Breadth. brown in color, similar to cap.

-Stipe

Central. 5 cm avg. height. 3-5mm thickness. Somewhat Rooting. Moist on some, dry on other to touch. Fragile, yet fiberous and resistant to total ripping.

-Grouping

Relativly Solitary.

Type 2 (pictures 4 and 5)

-Cap

Dark brown. 1.5-2.5 cm wide. (one specimen nears 4cm). 1.5cm high. Smooth edge. Smooth, stronger, mushroomy odor.

-Gills

Free. Avg spacing, yet more crowded than type 1. Darker brown than cap.

-Stipe

Central. Moist. 3cm avg. Height. 4-5mm thick. Fragile.

-Grouping

Groups

Type 3 (picture 2)

-Cap

Light beige. 1 cm width. 7-8 mm height. smooth edge. Dry to touch

-Gills

Free. Dark borwn to black with white edge.

-Stipe

Central. Moist. Fragile. 5-7 cm high, 3mm thick

-Grouping

Solitary


Edited by MI_Myco (09/26/04 06:24 PM)


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Re: Hoping from Michigan! ID help, please! [Re: MI_Myco]
    #3183182 - 09/26/04 06:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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but i was not sure if they grew in michigan



this can be looked up here in our FAQ, it's not always 100%correct, but you'll notice P. semilanceata, P. stuntzii and P. weilii (the main species that can be found in lawn habitats) are not listed for your state. P. liniformans isn't very common, judging by the lack of posts here on them, same with most of the others listed under Michigan.

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So, to avoid 'uslessness', i'll give my best shot to explain them



thanks, be sure to post the spore color when the prints are done, that is probably the most helpful of our ID criteria. you know, I'm getting kind of tired of people thinking I'm being a dick when I'm only trying to get people to help themselves or just help us help them. it is useless, I don't know what the quotes mean and if I took them the wrong way I apologize, but the attitude of people coming here asking for help and then getting pissed when they get asked to read, UTFSE or to give us more (necessary) info is really starting to irritate me [/rant].

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Re: Hoping from Michigan! ID help, please! [Re: spores]
    #3183198 - 09/26/04 06:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Understood. I appologize, i thought pictures would allow you to judge the mushrooms better, without my botched attempts at a description.

And as to the faq, i did look at all of them, but they gave ranges which i had difficulty picturing. The ones that i did think to include michigan were listed on lawns/wood chipping. I did inspect all the woodchippings in the area i looked, and found only one mushroom i forgot to mention. it was very fragile, with a cap that was little more than a thin, floppy wafer. It was odly shapped and very blue/purple. White stem, 4 cm long.

So, moving past misunderstandings, are any of these mushrooms actives?


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Re: Hoping from Michigan! ID help, please! [Re: MI_Myco]
    #3183217 - 09/26/04 06:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Botched attempts at a description are better than none at all, no one will bitch at you for trying, unless of course you say they have purple spores and bruise blue when you have a Lepiota or Amanita or something :tongue:.

none of those in your collection are active.

you would be wise to listen to nofind_um and try your luck at finding G. spectabilis :wink:, he seems knowledgable about what is around over there.  you might have a chance at finding G. aeruginosus on woodchips, but G. spectabilis seems more common and is usually found on dead trees (not woodchips, AFAIK anyway)...

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Re: Hoping from Michigan! ID help, please! [Re: spores]
    #3183313 - 09/26/04 07:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Is the second picture down (type 3 in discription) Panaeolus castaneifolius? my mushrooms of this type are nearly identical to other pictures on the site (namly here: http://www.shroomery.org/index/ord/nam/way/des/par/22570 )


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Re: Hoping from Michigan! ID help, please! [Re: MI_Myco]
    #3183326 - 09/26/04 07:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I would say it is either panaeolina foenisecii (more likely) or some species of lawn panaeolus, possibly castaneifolius. the way to differentiate them is by spore color, panaeolina species will have a dark brownish print and all species in the genus panaeolus will have a pitch black print. the colors are very close so it's hard to judge, but Gumby has a post somewhere in this forum with a good picture of prints from both genera side by side so you can see the difference clearly.

it's here: http://www.impakt.net/~tyler/subbs/

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Re: Hoping from Michigan! ID help, please! [Re: spores]
    #3183334 - 09/26/04 07:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

are castaneifolius active? i'm getting mixed results from searching through posts and the net.


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Re: Hoping from Michigan! ID help, please! [Re: MI_Myco]
    #3183345 - 09/26/04 07:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

according to a book I have on the subject, Psilocybin Mushrooms of the World by Stamets, '[P. castaneifolius is] latently active and when so, weak. Some but not all collections of this species contain psilocybin.'

I wouldn't mess with them.

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Re: Hoping from Michigan! ID help, please! [Re: spores]
    #3183366 - 09/26/04 07:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

not worth eating, eh? the one spore print i did lift isn't as complete as i'd like, but it is definitly black.

the one print i looked at from the last three mushrooms pictured has a reddish brown/rust colored print.


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    #3183379 - 09/26/04 07:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

nope, not worth eating.

brown print makes me think the others are conocybes as I suspected.

if you want my honest opinion, if you're just after some shrooms to trip on you'll have better luck cultivating some cubensis than hunting for actives considering your location.

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Re: Hoping from Michigan! ID help, please! [Re: spores]
    #3183382 - 09/26/04 07:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

a friend has a big fat batch of azurescens :smile: i think those spores would be worth cultivation


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Re: Hoping from Michigan! ID help, please! [Re: MI_Myco]
    #3183387 - 09/26/04 07:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

if it's your first time growing mushrooms I'd stick with the cubes, one could probably train a monkey to grow those damn things. azures on the other hand are more finicky and take more experience to grow from spores, not to mention, you can't grow them indoors year round. theres no way you could have azures fruiting before next fall if you started them now.

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