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OfflineLightDarkness
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Need heat
    #3181921 - 09/26/04 12:45 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Hello everyone! I have a quick question and couldnt find anything specific to my needs. I have a problem keeping my space warm in the winter(dont we all). I already have a nice little electric space heater and would like to find some way to hook a thermostat up to it. Have any of you done this? I want it to be safe from fire danger so I thought Id ask before I tried. Other than that my automated system is pretty much done!


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Re: Need heat [Re: LightDarkness]
    #3181922 - 09/26/04 12:47 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

it couldnt be any less safe than the space heater itslelf.
Just have to rewire it.


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Re: Need heat [Re: LightDarkness]
    #3182008 - 09/26/04 02:59 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

If you're looking for a way to keep your jars warm, a $10 heating pad from the drugstore will do the trick. Lay a folded towel over your jars to keep them dark and insulate them, they lay the pad on top of the towel (not on the bottom, it will get too hot that way). Set the pad on the lowest settings, and you're good to go. It won't maintain precise temperature, but it will be close enough for jazz.

This one's overpriced, but you get the idea:

http://www.cvs.com/CVSApp/cvs/gateway/de...ery=heating+pad

Good luck!


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Re: Need heat [Re: Diploid]
    #3182075 - 09/26/04 06:15 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I saw this on Ebay, and was thinking of getting it. It would be a bit more conveniant than my current tellytop approach.

Anyone know if these are suitable?.. on the products website it says something about super something ultra infrared radiation heat. I dont know what that is, I just wanna know if it will HEAT A PLASTIC TUB INSIDE!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3212&item=4325792109&rd=1


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Re: Need heat [Re: Hambo]
    #3182501 - 09/26/04 09:54 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, that will work great.  It's designed to keep reptiles warm but not overheat them.  That's about the same requirement as for your jars.  If you get it, experiment with the placement and setting using a thermometer and aim for 85F.

You can also use a fish tank heater in a tub-in-tub arrangement where the bottom tub has water and the heater to 85F, then a second tub on top.

But, I prefer a setup like this:



The white jug is full of water and has an aquarium heater in it set to the target temperature. It takes up some space in the tub, but I've found it to control the temperature more precisely than the tub-in-tub method. The white thing surrounding the tub is a thick comfortor for insulation.

Both methods work well.

:mushroom2: Good luck!


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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


Edited by Diploid (09/27/04 09:38 AM)


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Re: Need heat [Re: Diploid]
    #3184597 - 09/27/04 08:45 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Im trying more to keep a walk in closet that shuts pretty much airtight at a consistent temp. Can I wire in a regular old wall thermostat?


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Re: Need heat [Re: LightDarkness]
    #3184647 - 09/27/04 08:54 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

You would need to use a thermostat, and wire some relays like they use in HVAC.


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Re: Need heat [Re: LightDarkness]
    #3184685 - 09/27/04 09:03 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, if you have a truly old thermostat it is just an electronic switch that uses a mercury-filled liquid switch mounted on a bimetal coil, thus that when the proper temperature is reached it will shut off, but if temp drops it will turn on. Most full digital display types are just basically switches also. So you could wire it in with some relays, but not directly (mercury will vaporize, digital ones probably won't do over 12 volts or something).

You may be able to find a thermostatic 120VAC switch somewhere, without building one yourself. The space heater doesn't have a thermostat built-in?


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Re: Need heat [Re: LightDarkness]
    #3184812 - 09/27/04 09:42 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Im trying more to keep a walk in closet that shuts pretty much airtight at a consistent temp. Can I wire in a regular old wall thermostat?

Heating an entire closet is a different animal than heating a big plastic tub. Be careful when wiring stuff yourself and be sure you know what you're doing. A mistake can cause a fire that in the best case scenario will attract the attention of the police. You don't want that!

electric space heater

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Please, please don't seal a space heater in a closet. This is *NOT* the way to do it and will far more likely lead to a fire than to a warm closet.

If you must heat the entire closet, then pipe in warm air from the outlet vent of whatever system heats your home but stay away from the space heaters! They should never be left unattended.


Edited by Diploid (09/27/04 10:04 AM)


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Re: Need heat [Re: Diploid]
    #3185810 - 09/27/04 07:14 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Diploid said:
Im trying more to keep a walk in closet that shuts pretty much airtight at a consistent temp. Can I wire in a regular old wall thermostat?

Heating an entire closet is a different animal than heating a big plastic tub.  Be careful when wiring stuff yourself and be sure you know what you're doing.  A mistake can cause a fire that in the best case scenario will attract the attention of the police.  You don't want that!

electric space heater

!!!

Please, please don't seal a space heater in a closet. This is *NOT* the way to do it and will far more likely lead to a fire than to a warm closet.

If you must heat the entire closet, then pipe in warm air from the outlet vent of whatever system heats your home but stay away from the space heaters! They should never be left unattended.





a space heater and a thermostat is what kramer uses for his incubator...
with all the tub in tub threads,he wants to switch back!(not really)
he uses a thermostat that he bought at a hydro shop for $40 damn good investment...they sell it for seedling heatmats...but you can plug anything (up to 2500 watts) in it!  :thumbup:
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Re: Need heat [Re: george castanza]
    #3186900 - 09/28/04 12:04 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

a space heater and a thermostat is what kramer uses for his incubator...

Does kramer leave the space heater unatended??

Yikes! :whoa:

/sends kramer good juju and hopes he doesn't start a fire.


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2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Need heat [Re: Diploid]
    #3187302 - 09/28/04 01:42 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Multiple people use it. As long as you keep the heater away from anything wheres the fire gonna come from? Most heaters if the tip over (whats gonna make it tip anyway?) turn off too.


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"life is like a drop of rain getting closer and closer to falling into a lake, and then when you hit the lake there is no more rain drop, only the lake."

Growing with bags, start to finish (including my new grain and substrate prep)
Anyone looking to start bulk tubs/mono tubs/shotgun hybrids? Good tubs to use..
How I do grain (old still good tips)
Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay


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Re: Need heat [Re: Diploid]
    #3187313 - 09/28/04 01:45 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Diploid said:
a space heater and a thermostat is what kramer uses for his incubator...

Does kramer leave the space heater unatended??

Yikes! :whoa:

/sends kramer good juju and hopes he doesn't start a fire.



kramer loves good juju
thank you :japsmile:
no worries; kramer has burnt the original heating pad($40 more bucks in the shitter) that came with it and 2 other heaters($55) keeping his project warm last winter out in uncle lazlo's garage...
the thermostat is still going strong though(knocks on wood) :thumbup:

and leaving the heater unatended(spl?) is key :rotfl:j/k
no need to monitor thermostat does that :thumbup:
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Re: Need heat [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3187478 - 09/28/04 02:17 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Multiple people use it. As long as you keep the heater away from anything wheres the fire gonna come from?

Well, I try to learn from others' mistakes so that I don't have to make them myself. Every year, when the first real cold front slides down over Canada and the US, there is a string of deadly fires reported in the newspapers the next morning. I'm sure all those people intended to keep the heater away from flammables; they died anyway.

Call me a wimp, but I'll stick to heating pads and aquarium heaters for unattended operation. :grin:


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Need heat [Re: Diploid]
    #3187547 - 09/28/04 02:29 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I dont know...I've seen many stupid people with stuff very close to their heaters..but still in a closet there shouldnt be anything to catch if you put something over the carpet..then you just have jars..


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"life is like a drop of rain getting closer and closer to falling into a lake, and then when you hit the lake there is no more rain drop, only the lake."

Growing with bags, start to finish (including my new grain and substrate prep)
Anyone looking to start bulk tubs/mono tubs/shotgun hybrids? Good tubs to use..
How I do grain (old still good tips)
Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay


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Re: Need heat [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3187580 - 09/28/04 02:39 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

safety first


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