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Beheadings vs. Bombings
    #3175703 - 09/24/04 05:34 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

What is the difference? Innocent civilians are killed by both means. Are beheadings more barbaric because they are using ancient technology or because of the blood or is it the video-taping?

I would submit that an Iraqi family mourning the loss of family member (collateral damage) feels the same pain as an American family mourning the loss of a beheaded oil worker.

Please, no rants about whose side I am on. I will make that clear. I am on the side of the human race.


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Re: Beheadings vs. Bombings [Re: Swami]
    #3175710 - 09/24/04 05:36 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Mostly Muslims get bombed, and Muslim blood is cheap.


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Re: Beheadings vs. Bombings [Re: Swami]
    #3175736 - 09/24/04 05:44 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Americans like the murder they support to be state sponsored, sanitized, depersonalized and rationalized - that's the difference. A smart bomb dropped from 5,000 feet with a blast radius of 4,000 meters is only intended to hurt bad people occupying an area of less than 10 square meters, anyone else nearby is not intentionally hurt so 'we' are the good guys... or so goes the 'logic.'


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Re: Beheadings vs. Bombings [Re: Swami]
    #3175761 - 09/24/04 05:50 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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I am on the side of the human race




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Re: Beheadings vs. Bombings [Re: Evolving]
    #3175778 - 09/24/04 05:56 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

i think that is a good summary.

alot of people like to blame the insurgents for iraqi civilians dying. "it's their fault for fighting in the city" for some reason people call them cowards for trying to fight the strongest military on the planet without going out into the desert and standing in the open so american bombs can be dropped on them. those assholes. "i feel better about the thousands of innocent civilians that die because those pesky guerillas won't play fair"

at the same time of course if some arabs some how managed to get their hands on an f-15 and dropped a huge "smart bomb" on a marine barracks in the middle of washington dc and the blast killed hundreds of innocent people, then everyone would scream bloody murder about those evil terrorists and we would probably invade another country over the whole thing.


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Re: Beheadings vs. Bombings [Re: Swami]
    #3175779 - 09/24/04 05:56 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I ask this. Were the kidnapped men surrounded by soldiers or "other criminals" when they were taken? Was there a legitimate combatant target anywhere near them? Was there a legitimate enemy taken out when the kidnapping took place? No, these were just some poor guys who the swine thought they could murder easily. When you are blind all colors are the same. If you can't see the difference you are hopeless.


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Re: Beheadings vs. Bombings [Re: zappaisgod]
    #3175794 - 09/24/04 06:01 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Was there a legitimate enemy taken out when the kidnapping took place?




the kidnappers probably think so. maybe they see the american corporations as one of their enemys. like you said, it's all about how you look at things.


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Re: Beheadings vs. Bombings [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
    #3175803 - 09/24/04 06:01 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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at the same time of course if some arabs some how managed to get their hands on an f-15 and dropped a huge "smart bomb" on a marine barracks in the middle of washington dc and the blast killed hundreds of innocent people, then everyone would scream bloody murder about those evil terrorists and we would probably invade another country over the whole thing.




I think that would be a legitimate war action. Of course, that would
mean all gloves are off and there will be NOTHING left of the enemy to pick up.


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Re: Beheadings vs. Bombings [Re: zappaisgod]
    #3175819 - 09/24/04 06:03 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)



Civilian my ass.


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Re: Beheadings vs. Bombings [Re: Zahid]
    #3175842 - 09/24/04 06:10 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Who's that?


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Re: Beheadings vs. Bombings [Re: zappaisgod]
    #3175860 - 09/24/04 06:15 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

whether or not it would be a legitimate war action is not the point. I was just trying to point out the double standards involved in how an average american feels about innocent iraqis dying vs innocent americans dying. one is "collateral damage" and one is "terrorism" it's really all just bullshit.


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Re: Beheadings vs. Bombings [Re: Swami]
    #3175864 - 09/24/04 06:16 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I think the difference is intent.


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would submit that an Iraqi family mourning the loss of family member (collateral damage) feels the same pain as an American family mourning the loss of a beheaded oil worker.



Yeah, I'd probably agree with you, but the Iraqi's dead family member wasn't targeted, captured, and killed for the US's political means. Not saying they don't have a right to greive as much as the American family.

Just saying I think its intent.


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Re: Beheadings vs. Bombings [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
    #3175868 - 09/24/04 06:16 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Jack Higley, the 'civilian' beheaded this week.


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Re: Beheadings vs. Bombings [Re: Skikid16]
    #3175878 - 09/24/04 06:19 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Skikid16 said:
I think the difference is intent.


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would submit that an Iraqi family mourning the loss of family member (collateral damage) feels the same pain as an American family mourning the loss of a beheaded oil worker.



Yeah, I'd probably agree with you, but the Iraqi's dead family member wasn't targeted, captured, and killed for the US's political means. Not saying they don't have a right to greive as much as the American family.

Just saying I think its intent.




Skikid, remember the teenage suicide bombing the other day that killed two Israeli border guards? Well, the home of her family was bulldozed by the Israeli military.


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Re: Beheadings vs. Bombings [Re: Swami]
    #3175894 - 09/24/04 06:23 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Soldiers with any sense of honor or courage use guns rather than explosive belts, roadside bombs, and beheading. Those are the recources of cheap cowards.


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Re: Beheadings vs. Bombings [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3175901 - 09/24/04 06:24 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

So, it's ok to shoot AKs at U.S. soldiers? It's not 'cowardly' like?


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Re: Beheadings vs. Bombings [Re: Zahid]
    #3175908 - 09/24/04 06:26 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

While I don't necessarily agree with the tactics, I can't argue when suicide bombers target legitimate military targets (like the movie you showed of the Russian military bus being blown up).

And was his family killed when the isrealis bulldozed their home, cause homes can be rebuilt.......


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Re: Beheadings vs. Bombings [Re: Skikid16]
    #3175917 - 09/24/04 06:29 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

No one was killed in that incident, but many have before. And money is needed to build homes. So many Palestinian homes have been bull dozed a large chucnk of the population is forced to live in run down apartment buildings.


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Re: Beheadings vs. Bombings [Re: Zahid]
    #3175935 - 09/24/04 06:33 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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So, it's ok to shoot AKs at U.S. soldiers? It's not 'cowardly' like?




Well if you are the kind of stupid bastard to do such a thing it is a much more honorable option unless it is execution style, sniping or cowardly sneak attacks.


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Re: Beheadings vs. Bombings [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3175950 - 09/24/04 06:39 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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execution style, sniping or cowardly sneak attacks.




Which the U.S. does...

You gotta hit em when they're not looking

Try again, Divided_Sky.  :yawn:


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