Home | Community | Message Board


This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Myyco.com Isolated Cubensis Liquid Culture For Sale   North Spore Bulk Substrate   Original Sensible Seeds Autoflowering Cannabis Seeds   PhytoExtractum Buy Bali Kratom Powder   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Bridgetown Botanicals Bridgetown Botanicals   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom

Jump to first unread post Pages: < Back | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | Next >  [ show all ]
OfflinePhred
Fred's son
Male

Registered: 10/18/00
Posts: 12,949
Loc: Dominican Republic
Last seen: 9 years, 4 months
Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: ekomstop]
    #3184017 - 09/26/04 09:17 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

And again, we are not referring to Executive Orders here, but FBI files.

Reread everything you put up. Clearly when they are talking about a case being closed and then put up a piece of paper referring to that case and showing the date when the file was closed, the odds are that the document they are quoting from is a 1996 document.

But of course, we have no way of knowing that, because they show just a tiny fragment of the document. That's my whole point, dude. Your whackjob conspiracy doofuses see nothing wrong in throwing up pictures of fragments and obscured documents, waving a magic wand over the whole mess, then claiming that it is proof of some mythical "secret" Executive Order.

If you want to cling to the idea that some Executive Orders are never released to the public, and that these executive orders have a different numbering system so that the press officers know which ones to release and which ones not to, that is of course your prerogative. But you have no proof that this is so -- just speculation.

But don't expect a rational person to believe the same. Rational people like to have some evidence.

pinky


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineekomstop
Male User Gallery

Registered: 03/31/01
Posts: 1,880
Loc: Canada Flag
Last seen: 13 years, 4 months
Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: Phred]
    #3184039 - 09/26/04 09:23 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

Whatever man, your obviously pretty biased in your approach to this; ie claiming the guardian is a 'leftist rag' and therefore not a legitimate source for news..is BBC also a 'leftist rag' in your opinion? if this is all bullshit then why doesn't anybody give BBC or the Guardian shit for publishing disinformation? I mean, they seemed pretty quick to jump on that apparent CBS fallacy..

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineRoseM
Devil's Advocate
Female User Gallery

Registered: 09/24/03
Posts: 22,518
Loc: Mod not God Flag
Last seen: 1 year, 9 months
Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: ekomstop]
    #3184105 - 09/26/04 09:36 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

For the Last Time, THE GUARDIAN IS NOT HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR ANYTHING IT PRINTS so anything it prints is not valid to anybody without a tin hat, and you have yet to provide another link from anywhere else that pertains to the "W" document at all. Not even the BBC... who allegedly aired it.


--------------------
Fiddlesticks.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinePhred
Fred's son
Male

Registered: 10/18/00
Posts: 12,949
Loc: Dominican Republic
Last seen: 9 years, 4 months
Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: ekomstop]
    #3184141 - 09/26/04 09:42 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

ekomstop writes:

Whatever man, your obviously pretty biased in your approach to this;

Wanting evidence is biased? You seem willing to accept anything that anyone says, with no critical judgment, as long as it makes the US look bad. You yourself have seen exactly zero evidence that such an order exists.

...claiming the guardian is a 'leftist rag' ...

But The Guardian is a leftist rag. It's as biased as AP, al-Reuters, the LA Times and the New York Times.

is BBC also a 'leftist rag' in your opinion?

There's no question that the BBC is a left-leaning news source. Read their stuff and see for yourself.

But that's beside the point. What is the point is that left-leaning or right-leaning, they haven't provided the document in question for inspection -- by anyone, biased or not. There's a voice-over of some newsreader claiming that O'Neil provided them with this secret Executive Order. Fine. Let's see the damn thing, then. What did they do with it after the broadcast? Burn it? Why does a Google search for it yield nothing but that one newscast or articles referring to that one newscast? Where is that document today?

I'll tell you where it is -- it doesn't freaking exist. If it did, you can be 100% sure that Michael Moore or the Daily Kos or Democratic Underground or moveon.org would have it prominently featured in all its glory on their websites, and if you believe otherwise you're delusional.

if this is all bullshit then why doesn't anybody give BBC or the Guardian shit for publishing disinformation?

Because they're English, duh.

I mean, they seemed pretty quick to jump on that apparent CBS fallacy.

Sure... for two reasons.

1) It was broadcast on a highly respected American investigative journalism show

2) CBS (to their eternal regret) made photos of the documents available. The BBC didn't.

pinky


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineZahid
Stranger
Registered: 01/21/02
Posts: 4,779
Last seen: 19 years, 7 months
Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: Phred]
    #3184154 - 09/26/04 09:44 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

pinky, there is no such thing as unbiased media.


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleGijith
Daisy Chain Eater

Registered: 12/04/03
Posts: 2,400
Loc: New York
Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: Zahid]
    #3184181 - 09/26/04 09:51 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Zahid said:
pinky, there is no such thing as unbiased media.




:thumbup: :werd: :thumbup:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineekomstop
Male User Gallery

Registered: 03/31/01
Posts: 1,880
Loc: Canada Flag
Last seen: 13 years, 4 months
Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: Phred]
    #3184209 - 09/26/04 09:58 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

So would it then be safe to assume that FOX, CNN, and Clear Channel are taking the position of the 'rightists' and should therefore be accepted as the worlds most ultimate portrayors of truth?

For the sake of speculation, lets go with the idea that W199I doesn't exist, and has never existed. Why is it then, that the bush administration clearly ignored all forewarnings of a potential terrorist threat? And then why did they blatantly LIE to you after it happened saying they have never 'heard' of such a thing as 'outrageous' as terrorists hi-jacking planes for the purpose of crashing them into buildings?

Click to see all articles

U.S. intelligence received warnings of terrorist attacks from Randy Glass
Center for Cooperative Research - 01/30/04

A fascinating video relating to an important unheeded warning of the 9/11 attacks was shown on WPTV, an NBC TV station in Florida on October 7, 2002. This video has been overlooked and forgotten until now.
German trial hears how Iranian agent warned US of impending al-Qaida attack


London Guardian - 01/24/04

The United States was warned of impending September 11 terrorist attacks by an Iranian spy, but ignored him, German secret service agents testified yesterday in the trial of an alleged al-Qaida terrorist.

Sept 11 terror suspect 'publicly announced attacks in 1999': A witness at the trial of a September 11 terror suspect has been pressed by a judge about her memory that one of the hijackers predicted an attack on the US.

MI6 warned US of Al-Qaeda attacks: MI6 warned the American intelligence services about a plot to hijack aircraft and crash them into buildings two years before the September 11 attacks.

September 11 attacks called avoidable: The chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee said yesterday that the September 11 "hijackers could have been stopped" had U.S. officials acted on intelligence information available before the terrorist attacks.

America warned two years ago over "September 11": report: Britain's foreign intelligence service MI6 warned the United States about terrorist plans to use civilian planes in "unconventional ways" two years before the September 11 strikes, according to a newspaper report.

SENATE BIG REVEALS MORE 9/11 WARNINGS: The chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee said yesterday he's uncovered new pre-9/11 warnings from a "variety of agencies."

New York Times pulled Al-Qaeda warning: Burns, a two-time Pulitzer Prize winner, wrote an article that appeared on the Times's Web site Sept. 8. But Burns's prescient piece about Osama bin Laden never appeared in the newspaper, and the Times quickly expunged it from the electronic archives.

U.S. had agents inside al-Qaeda: U.S. intelligence overheard al-Qaeda operatives discussing a major pending terrorist attack in the weeks prior to Sept. 11 and had agents inside the terror group.

Wiretaps May Have Foretold Terror Attacks: Suspected Al Qaeda operatives wiretapped by Italian police in the 13 months preceding Sept. 11 made apparent references to plans for major attacks involving airports, airplanes and the United States, according to transcripts obtained by The Times on Tuesday.

U.S. Ignored Warnings From French: A key point in unraveling why the FBI failed to follow up leads on Al Qaeda terrorism now centers on the Bureau's contemptuously brushing aside warnings from French intelligence a few days before 9-11.

FBI Was Warned of Sept. 11 Hijacker (Knew phone number, address, car of Hanjour): A paid FBI informant told ABCNEWS that three years before Sept. 11, he began providing the FBI with information about a young Saudi who later flew a hijacked passenger plane into the Pentagon.

Britain warned US to expect September 11 al-Qaeda hijackings: Britain gave President Bush a categorical warning to expect multiple airline hijackings by the al-Qaeda network a month before the September 11 attacks which killed nearly 3000 people and triggered the international war against terrorism.

US AUTHORITIES WERE WARNED ABOUT THE TERRORIST ACTS. EVEN BY ARABS: In the case of 11 September, some details are appearing. According to reports of world mass media, one conclusion could be made: US authorities and special services were much better informed about the terrorist acts being prepared, than they try now to present it.

Bulletins warned airports in '98: The Federal Aviation Administration warned the nation's airports and airlines in late 1998 about a possible terrorist hijacking ''at a metropolitan airport in the Eastern United States'' and urged a ''high degree of vigilance'' against threats to US civil aviation from Osama bin Laden's terrorist network.

FAA Warned of bin Laden in 1998: The Federal Aviation Administration told airlines more than three years ago to be on a "high degree of alertness" against possible hijackings by followers of Osama bin Laden, a government source said Sunday.

FAA SAT ON PRE-9/11 WARNING: The Federal Aviation Administration admitted yesterday it had decided not to order a security alert at the nation's airports despite being warned a week before Sept. 11 that the man now accused as the "20th hijacker" was in custody.

Bush was given hijack warning by British intelligence: President Bush's CIA briefing last August about possible attacks on US targets by al-Qa'ida ? the focus of the current "what did he know and when did he know it" furore ? was based on British intelligence reports, officials on both sides of the Atlantic said.

What Went Wrong: The inside story of the missed signals and intelligence failures that raise a chilling question: did September 11 have to happen?

Washington was 'warned of hijack risk': THE American government was warned eight years ago that the Pentagon and White House were vulnerable to attack from hijacked jets.

Italy Tells of Threat at Genoa Summit: U.S. and Italian officials were warned in July that Islamic terrorists might attempt to kill President Bush and other leaders by crashing an airliner into the Genoa summit of industrialized nations, officials said Wednesday.

1999 Report Warned of Suicide Hijack: Exactly two years before the Sept. 11 attacks, a federal report warned the executive branch that Osama bin Laden's terrorists might hijack an airliner and dive bomb it into the Pentagon or other government building.

For years, signs suggested 'that something was up': U.S. intelligence agencies had indications for months and even years before September 11 that terrorists were planning attacks with aircraft.

Bush Told of Possible Hijack Plot Before Sept. 11: U.S. intelligence agents told President Bush before Sept. 11 that Usama bin Laden's terror network might hijack American planes, though the president had no specific information of the plot and no way of knowing the planes would be used in suicide attacks.

Bush Was Told of Hijacking Dangers: President Bush and his top advisers were informed by the CIA early last August that terrorists associated with Osama bin Laden had discussed the possibility of hijacking airplanes, according to reliable sources.

Congress Eyes Reaction to Pre-Sept. 11 Warnings: Members of Congress raised questions on Thursday as to whether the Bush administration should have reacted better to warnings in August that Osama bin Laden's followers might hijack U.S. passenger planes.

Echelon Gave Authorities Warning Of Attacks: U.S. and Israeli intelligence agencies received warning signals at least three months ago that Middle Eastern terrorists were planning to hijack commercial aircraft to use as weapons to attack important symbols of American and Israeli culture, according to a story in Germany's daily Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ).

Alex Jones interview with respected lawyer David Schippers - Government had prior knowledge: The FBI has been, and still is, prohibiting their agents or local police from taking known terrorists into custody.

David Schippers tells Metcalf feds 'ignored' warnings of WTC attacks: According to Schippers, investigative reporter Jayna Davis has compelling evidence indicating the government knew in February 1995 about Middle Eastern terrorists operating in Oklahoma City, planning the bombing in that city, the demise of TWA Flight 800 and the World Trade Center attacks.

US Ignored Pending Terror Attack Warnings Says Former FBI Official: Despite more than a dozen terrorist attacks around the world since 1992, the United States failed to recognize impending disaster because its federal law enforcement is a "dysfunctional montage," a retired FBI official said Tuesday.

Bin Laden tipped his hand: Law enforcement officials knew that in 1995, two associates of suspected terrorist Osama bin Laden had talked about crashing a plane into CIA headquarters outside Washington. Egypt and Italy had warned the CIA that bin Laden was plotting to fly an airplane into last June's economic summit in Genoa, Italy.

CIA Cited Risk Before Attack: The U.S. government has gathered evidence that links some of the Sept. 11 hijackers to Osama bin Laden's network through phone intercepts, wire transfers and participation in Afghan training camps, officials said Wednesday.

Bush did not heed several warnings of attacks: George Bush's administration was warned repeatedly that a devastating attack on the United States was on its way, including a State Department advisory as late as 7 September, but either failed to read the signals or was unable to follow up on intelligence tips in time to prevent last Tuesday's onslaught on the country.

Egypt Leader Says He Warned America

Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak says he warned the United States that ``something would happen'' 12 days before the Sept. 11 terror attacks on New York and Washington.

Egypt Warned U.S. of a Qaeda Plot, Mubarak Asserts: Egyptian intelligence warned American officials about a week before Sept. 11 that Osama bin Laden's network was in the advance stages of executing a significant operation against an American target, President Hosni Mubarak said in an interview on Sunday.

CIA 'ignored warning' on al Qaeda: A former US intelligence agent has alleged that the CIA ignored detailed warnings he passed on in 1998 that a Gulf state was harbouring an al-Qaeda cell led by two known terrorists.

What We Knew: Warning Given......Story Missed: We were warned. Some of the best minds in the United States attempted to alert the nation that, without a new emphasis on homeland security and attention to terrorism, "Americans will likely die on American soil, possibly in large numbers" as the result of terrorist attacks.

U.S. Identified Some Elements of Hijack Plot in Advance: Transportation Secretary Norman Y. Mineta said today that his department knew elements of the threat to aviation before last week's terrorist attacks but could not have pieced them together to avert the plot.

Earlier Hijackings Offered Signals That Were Missed: Over and over since Sept. 11, aviation and security officials have said they were shocked that terrorists had hijacked airliners and crashed them into landmark buildings.

Warning signs - Should officials have known the terror attacks were coming? They hit it before in 1993. And on Sept. 11, they hit it again ? this time taking the World Trade Center down. In the aftermath of the devastating attacks, pieces of the puzzle are beginning to come together. How did the terrorist plot go undetected? Were warning signs missed? Should we have known more?

Transcript: Actor James Woods on O'Reilly (9/11 hijackers do a dry run - FBI warned - nothing happens)

Many Say U.S. Planned for Terror but Failed to Take Action: Somewhere in the havoc of the moment, Richard A. Clarke, then the White House counterterrorism chief, recalled the long drumbeat of warnings about terrorists striking on American soil, many of them delivered and debated in that very room.

Argentinians Say They Heard Terror Alert Weeks Before 9/11: Leaders of Argentina's Jewish community received a warning about an impending major terrorist attack against the United States, Argentina or France just weeks before September 11, the Forward has learned.

Missed Chance - A wasted FBI asset? The FBI had a chance to infiltrate an al Qaeda training camp in the months before the September 11 attacks?and possibly learn about the coming strike?but the proposal was rejected by top officials, U.S. News has learned.

Moroccan secret agent 'predicted New York attack': A MOROCCAN secret service agent says that for two years he successfully infiltrated al-Qaeda before breaking cover last summer to warn his bosses that the terror group was plotting ?something spectacular? in New York.

Spy chiefs warned ministers of al-Qaeda attacks: BRITAIN?S spy chiefs warned the Prime Minister less than two months before September 11 that Osama bin Laden?s al-Qaeda group was in ?the final stages? of preparing a terrorist attack in the West, it was disclosed yesterday.

Panel: '98 meeting foresaw 9/11 attack: Three years to the day before the attacks that leveled the World Trade Center and damaged the Pentagon, U.S. spymasters concluded they must improve surveillance on terrorists or the nation would face a catastrophic assault, a congressional panel will report today.

Pilot Said to Boast of Murder Year Before Sept 11 - "In addition the words 'World Trade Center' were mentioned.": One of the kamikaze hijackers who destroyed the World Trade Center apparently boasted more than a year before the September 11 attack that his actions would kill thousands, Germany's public prosecutor said on Thursday.

Taleban 'warned US of attack'

An aide to the former Taleban foreign minister, Wakil Ahmad Muttawakil, has revealed that he was sent to warn American diplomats and the United Nations that Osama bin Laden was due to launch a huge attack on American soil.

Did the U.S. Ignore Warning of 9-11 Attack? In July, 2001 a U.S. State Department official was told by an aide to a top Taliban government minister that Osama bin Laden was planning a huge attack on American soil and that the attack was imminent. The warning was never passed on to Washington, Britain?s Independent newspaper reports.

U.S. Knew of Terror Cell Before 9/11: An alleged terrorist cell based in western New York and trained by Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network was on the U.S. government's radar before the Sept. 11 attacks, a prosecutor said today.

US 'failed to heed' terror warnings: American intelligence services had been warned that Osama Bin Laden was considering attacking US targets with aircraft three years before the 11 September attacks, a congressional investigator said.



This is about half of them. Most if not all are from so-called 'legitimate' news sources, whatever your definition of that may be.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineekomstop
Male User Gallery

Registered: 03/31/01
Posts: 1,880
Loc: Canada Flag
Last seen: 13 years, 4 months
Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: ekomstop]
    #3184267 - 09/26/04 10:09 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

Oh yeah, lets not forget the warnings on the EVE of the attack:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/911.html#eve

Top Pentagon officials were warned and cancelled flights on September 10th

NEWSWEEK has learned that the state of alert had been high during the past two weeks, and a particularly urgent warning may have been received the night before the attacks, causing some top Pentagon brass to cancel a trip.

Pentagon officials cancelled September 11 flying plans day before: On Sept. 10, NEWSWEEK has learned, a group of top Pentagon officials suddenly canceled travel plans for the next morning, apparently because of security concerns.

Agency planned exercise on Sept. 11 built around a plane crashing into a building: In what the government describes as a bizarre coincidence, one U.S. intelligence agency was planning an exercise last Sept. 11 in which an errant aircraft would crash into one of its buildings. But the cause wasn't terrorism ? it was to be a simulated accident.

NSA Intercepts On Eve of 9/11 Sent a Warning: The National Security Agency intercepted two messages on the eve of the Sept. 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon warning that something was going to happen the next day, but the messages were not translated until Sept. 12, senior U.S. intelligence officials said yesterday.

US Heard 'Tomorrow Is Zero Hour' on Eve of Attacks: U.S. intelligence intercepted two messages the day before the Sept. 11 attacks that indicated an event was planned the following day, but the communications were not translated until Sept. 12, government sources said on Wednesday.

A Big Warning: The National Security Agency intercepted and secretly recorded at least one conversation in Arabic before the Sept. 11 attacks in which the participants spoke about something big that was going to happen on that day, ABCNEWS has learned.

NSA didn't share key pre-Sept. 11 information, sources say: A secretive U.S. eavesdropping agency monitored telephone conversations before Sept. 11 between the suspected commander of the World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks and the alleged chief hijacker, but did not share the information with other intelligence agencies, U.S. officials said Thursday.

Condoleezza Rice Warned Sept. 6 About Imminent Terror Attack: Five days before Sept. 11, National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice was warned that a terrorist attack inside the United States was imminent, a former U.S. senator who headed up a blue-ribbon commission on terrorism revealed late Tuesday.

PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT - U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE - 7TH SEPTEMBER (SAYING BIN LADEN WAS ABOUT TO ATTACK): "We are also concerned about information we received in May 2001 that American citizens may be the target of a terrorist threat from extremist groups with links to Usama Bin Ladin's Al-Qaida organization."

German police confirm Iranian deportee phoned warnings: German police have confirmed an Iranian man phoned US police from his deportation cell to warn of the planned attack on the World Trade Centre.

FBI 'ignored leads': The German authorities have rejected reports that an Iranian man detained in Hanover could have helped avert Tuesday's devastating attacks on New York and Washington.

Bin Laden's Trail - Rushdie Air Ban (banned from flying from September 3rd): THE author Salman Rushdie believes that US authorities knew of an imminent terrorist strike when they banned him from taking internal flights in Canada and the US only a week before the attacks.

Some Got Warning: Don't Go Downtown on Sept. 11: Federal investigators have received evidence that some Middle Easterners in the New York area were warned ahead of time to stay out of lower Manhattan the morning of Sept. 11, the Daily News has learned.

Prior Knowledge of Sept. 11 Not Just Urban Legend: "Do you see those two buildings?" he asked while pointing toward the World Trade Center. "They won't be standing there next week." It was noon, Sept. 6, 2001.

Police: Student spoke of attacks before Sept. 11: Authorities are tracking numerous leads that some people, including members of the Arab-American community, heard rumors of the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington in the days leading up to the hijackings, law enforcement sources say.

Trade Center warning baffles police: I went to Brooklyn this week in search of an ?urban myth? about the World Trade Center attacks. What I came back with was no longer a myth ? it was cold, chilling fact. But it didn?t clear anything up for me; that the ?myth? was true only made matters murkier. Was word of the attacks on the street beforehand? I wanted to find out.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinePhred
Fred's son
Male

Registered: 10/18/00
Posts: 12,949
Loc: Dominican Republic
Last seen: 9 years, 4 months
Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: ekomstop]
    #3184285 - 09/26/04 10:13 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

Changing the subject again?

Fine.

Look, it may seem to you that I'm avoiding taking this further because I have been "brainwashed" or am "close-minded". The fact of the matter is that I have discussed all of this stuff countless times in the past since 9-11 took place. There is nothing new in that laundry list you just threw up there. It has all been thrashed out a ridiculous number of times in the last three years, and I'm not going to waste my time doing it all over again.

Look in the archives. Go to the top of the first page in this forum and read the sticky thread describing how to access archived PA&L posts. You'll see I am not making this up.

It may be new to you, but it's not new to me and it's incredibly tedious to thrash through all that murk one more time. A lot of the questions you ask have been answered in the 9-11 Commission's report as well. It is readily available as a book, and is also available in its entirety online. Do yourself a favor and read it.

pinky


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineekomstop
Male User Gallery

Registered: 03/31/01
Posts: 1,880
Loc: Canada Flag
Last seen: 13 years, 4 months
Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: Phred]
    #3184459 - 09/26/04 11:00 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

Dude, you can make all the assumptions you want, I am not one to judge people, your probably one of the most logical thinking people I have seen on this board and I have nothing but complete respect for that. But look at what you are denying here? There is a WEALTH of information that has actually led the bush admins into a lawsuit over this. You could call the guy filing it a moron, a conspiracy theorist, you could call him or me or anyone anything, but to generalize everyhting and everybody that happens to goes against the mainstream and official report into one category and automatically assuming it all to be theory just makes no sense to me, especially when alot of the stuff has been published in mainstream media. I might end up reading the 9/11 commission report some time, although I am in no rush to do that seeing as how it from what I gather so far is likely a complete fraud. At any rate, maybe we can agree to dissagree? I'm getting tired of arguing over all this, I trust that atleast some of what I have brought to the table here is worthy of consideration, at the very least for myself, and by posting here all I was hoping to do was help bring some alternative ideas to the attention of others, because quite frankly, this affects us all.

I guess I might just be crazy, but here from my vantage point, it just seems to make sense that certain elements in the government have the power, and are definitely in a position to be able to orchestrate - and/or at the very least allow something like 9/11 to happen..Why? Probably in order to gain more control over it's people. They have done it before, and I would think, they would probably do it again. The patriot act, patriot act II, all of these things are being discussed and passed and presented to the public as if they are supposed to 'help' protect them from the 'terrorists'..the outside enemy. Well the outside enemy and those offering us protection from it appear to be in business together, which kind of makes me wonder who the enemy actually is. And then you have Skull & Bones, and that whole thing. This isn't just story telling, it may seem like some insane fictionous story, but it's real life. And quite frankly, I find it to be pretty fucking scary.

People are dying over this, people have/are being manipulated on many levels, people are losing their freedoms and trust for eachother over this, the constitution and bill of rights have basically been forgotten, and I am very concerned of the fact that people actually seem to be supporting what is happening. People are continuously being divided, look at all this left and right bs, as an example, people in this forum seem to be constantly arguing with eachother, holding on to their respective left/right positions as if that is to define who they are at the deepest level. This is not who we are, or, atleast neither can fully define who I am. Why should I associate my own will and power with some guy who is supposed to be spreaking for millions of people, and is obviously failing miserably? Everybody can't all be labeled each with their own little barcode and rounded up into funny little categories like that. We are fucking human beings, we have something that the mainstream seems to surpress called individuallity, and as such, why shouldnt we realize this and start working toward making this world a better place for all who live in it?

So I guess all I've been meaning to do is try and help plant somewhat of a seed of doubt in a few people, to try and get people scratching their heads. To help get even just one person asking themselves..what if? would make it all worth while from my position. After all, all it takes is but one person to make all the difference in the world. The government is getting too much control, and sadly people are willingly submitting to it. I fear if there isnt some kind of massive change, or revolution soon, we are going to be assuring that our next generation of children grow up into nothing less than some kind of tyrannical police state nightmare. The window of oporitunity is getting smaller, they are literally squeezing themselves in and around our lives tighter and tighter as time ticks by, and I don't feel we have the time to just sit here and bitch over nothing and continue to waste time, because once they have their desired system in place, they are not going to give it up. Call me crazy all you want, but I'm not kidding. Sure, I might seem to be getting alot of my thoughts and ideas from Jones' and people like him..but I've thought in this way pretty much my whole life, and to me, they seem to be speaking the truth, he helps put things into context that anybody can understand, something I was never very good at. People like him are only being human, they are questioning what is happening, they are doing the research and that I think is a very important quality in a human being. Questioning authority. Questioning life, questioning beliefs, questioning everything. If anybody really wants to help promote a complete authoritative state by doing what they want you to, by remaining divided, then fine..keep clinging onto their bullshit, as if out of the whole spectrum of possibilities this is the only reality/system we can possibly be working for, as if to assume we have no choice in the matter..go ahead and keep at eachothers throats like they are counting on you to do and hitch along for their 'free' ride to a tyrannical hell. I for one do not like this idea, and as long as I am alive I don't plan on just sitting on my ass and taking all the shit they are spoonfeeding the populations, but instead promoting individuality, promoting creativity, promoting what I truely believe it means to be human. Woopdie doo eh?

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineRoseM
Devil's Advocate
Female User Gallery

Registered: 09/24/03
Posts: 22,518
Loc: Mod not God Flag
Last seen: 1 year, 9 months
Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: ekomstop]
    #3184742 - 09/27/04 12:20 AM (19 years, 8 months ago)

The guardian, while left leaning, is a reputable source. Sorry I had it confused with something else. My bad. Sorry.

Your link, still provides no clear evidence about the "W" document. Not clear to me at least.


--------------------
Fiddlesticks.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinePhluck
Carpal Tunnel
 User Gallery

Registered: 04/10/99
Posts: 11,394
Loc: Canada
Last seen: 7 months, 4 days
Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: ekomstop]
    #3185800 - 09/27/04 10:11 AM (19 years, 8 months ago)

ekomstop, what pinky is desperately trying to tell you, is that the list of evidence you are presenting, is a mixture of false information, unproven information, and generally sketchy. He's also trying to tell you that if you look through the archives of these very forums, you'll find posts that he's made that go into further detail as to why the items on the list are false, unproven, or sketchy.

What I was saying in my "What's really going on?" thread applies to the items on the list as well. For instance, the pentagon officials cancelling Sept. 11 flights. First off, how often do officials from the pentagon cancel flights throughout an average year? How many pentagon officials are there in total? They certainly all travel a lot, so there's no doubt that cancelling flights probably happens on a regular basis. Maybe it happens once a month, every week... maybe even every day. Until you have that kind of information, you can't claim that it's evidence of anything.

Until you can go through the whole list, and prove that all the entries in it are actually valid evidence then, it's pretty hard to take them seriously.

How do I know that half of them aren't completely fabricated? How do I know that what's been presented as something out of the ordinary really is?


--------------------
"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
http://phluck.is-after.us

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinePhred
Fred's son
Male

Registered: 10/18/00
Posts: 12,949
Loc: Dominican Republic
Last seen: 9 years, 4 months
Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: ekomstop]
    #3185833 - 09/27/04 10:23 AM (19 years, 8 months ago)

ekomstop writes:

There is a WEALTH of information that has actually led the bush admins into a lawsuit over this.

Frivolous lawsuits get filed every day. Any fool can file a lawsuit. Get back to us when the lawsuit is decided.

... to generalize everyhting and everybody that happens to goes against the mainstream and official report into one category and automatically assuming it all to be theory just makes no sense to me.

As I have pointed out to you before -- more than once -- it is you making the assumptions here. You assume that I don't check these claims out. I do. There is a famous post in the archives (from Rono, I believe) with about sixty charges raised by the doofus who used to run whatreallyhappened.com. I spent days checking the charges, then refuting them in detail, one by one, with references and links.No one refuted my refutations.

...especially when alot of the stuff has been published in mainstream media.

The mainstream media fucks up all the time. See the "sixteen words" they still get wrong. See the continuing stories claiming that Bush declared "mission accomplished". See the Rathergate fiasco. Check some of my other posts about AP and al-Reuters headlines versus the body of the text. Check the "tailwind" farce. Or the Jenin "massacre". Or dozens and dozens of similar examples.

I might end up reading the 9/11 commission report some time, although I am in no rush to do that seeing as how it from what I gather so far is likely a complete fraud.

You see no disconnect for giving me shit for not checking the fever swamp ravings at sites like rense.com while admitting that you have already dismissed out of hand the most thorough and comprehensive investigation ever done? Now we know how seriously we should take you.

I guess I might just be crazy, but here from my vantage point, it just seems to make sense that certain elements in the government have the power, and are definitely in a position to be able to orchestrate - and/or at the very least allow something like 9/11 to happen.

Does it make sense to you that Clinton, on his way out the door, pulled Bush aside and said, "Listen, George, we've got this deal going with some Islamic nutjobs that I have to fill you in on. Don't blow it, okay? It'll work out for the best." Because that's what would have had to have happened. It is indisputable that the planning for the attack began long before Bush was even nominated as the GOP presidential candidate.

Why? Probably in order to gain more control over it's people.

Why? Why do they want more control? To accomplish..... what? To enrich themselves how?

They have done it before, and I would think, they would probably do it again.

Who has done this before? When? Examples, please.

The patriot act, patriot act II, all of these things are being discussed and passed and presented to the public as if they are supposed to 'help' protect them from the 'terrorists'..the outside enemy.

The vast majority of the provisions of the act do just that. Yes, there are sections that are poorly worded, and other sections that are almost certainly not required. I agree that the patriot act should not be renewed word for word when it expires. Changes should be made. And I point out that it is Congress who decides whether or not it will be renewed, not George Bush or Karl Rove.

Well the outside enemy and those offering us protection from it appear to be in business together, which kind of makes me wonder who the enemy actually is.

Al Qaeda is in business with the US administration? Get serious.

And then you have Skull & Bones, and that whole thing.

What about Skull and Bones? What do they have to do with anything? Why not throw in the Bildebergers and the Masons and the Illuminati and the Roman Catholic Church and the Rotarians and the Elks while you're at it?

This isn't just story telling, it may seem like some insane fictionous story, but it's real life.

No it's not. It's fantasy.

And quite frankly, I find it to be pretty fucking scary.

Prozac is widely available to treat anxiety and panic attacks.

People are dying over this, people have/are being manipulated on many levels, people are losing their freedoms and trust for eachother over this, the constitution and bill of rights have basically been forgotten, and I am very concerned of the fact that people actually seem to be supporting what is happening. People are continuously being divided, look at all this left and right bs, as an example, people in this forum seem to be constantly arguing with eachother, holding on to their respective left/right positions as if that is to define who they are at the deepest level. This is not who we are, or, atleast neither can fully define who I am. Why should I associate my own will and power with some guy who is supposed to be spreaking for millions of people, and is obviously failing miserably? Everybody can't all be labeled each with their own little barcode and rounded up into funny little categories like that. We are fucking human beings, we have something that the mainstream seems to surpress called individuallity, and as such, why shouldnt we realize this and start working toward making this world a better place for all who live in it?

You of course have the right to believe anything anyone tells you. No one is forcing you to investigate on your own, no one can make you apply reason and logic to the lamer arguments you come across so frequently, no one cares one way or the other if you want to live your life cringing in terror at the thought of what the Skull and Bones crew might do to you next week. But don't expect people who do expend the effort to look into the nutbar speculations floating around out there like turds in a bowl to feel the same way you do. If you believe rense.com is a valid information source, it's not going to affect my future one way or the other.

So I guess all I've been meaning to do is try and help plant somewhat of a seed of doubt in a few people, to try and get people scratching their heads. To help get even just one person asking themselves..what if? would make it all worth while from my position. After all, all it takes is but one person to make all the difference in the world. The government is getting too much control, and sadly people are willingly submitting to it.

On this we agree. If you've read even a fraction of my posts on this board you will know already I want even less government than you do. But there are plenty of easily verifiable real examples of government overstepping their boundaries. No need to hinge your criticism on loopy loony conspiracy theories about 9-11. The Islamic murderers have been attacking people they disagree with for decades. On 9-11 they did a more spectacular job of it than they had previously. They needed no assistance from the US government in order to do that. The US government after the fall of the USSR had become complacent. The US paid the price. That's unfortunate, but it's really no complex than that.

I fear if there isnt some kind of massive change, or revolution soon, we are going to be assuring that our next generation of children grow up into nothing less than some kind of tyrannical police state nightmare.

Oh, please. Give me an example of an innocent American citizen doing time for checking out the wrong library books. America, despite government meddling in too many aspects of the lives of its citizens, is far from a "police state".

The window of oporitunity is getting smaller, they are literally squeezing themselves in and around our lives tighter and tighter as time ticks by, and I don't feel we have the time to just sit here and bitch over nothing and continue to waste time, because once they have their desired system in place, they are not going to give it up.

That's my point. You are wasting your energy obsessing over the wrong thing. You want to protest something, protest the IRS or the Social Security scam or the ludicrous state of drug prohibition.

Call me crazy all you want, but I'm not kidding. Sure, I might seem to be getting alot of my thoughts and ideas from Jones' and people like him..but I've thought in this way pretty much my whole life...

In which case my debunking their lunacy will do no good. If you are predisposed to this way of thought, you will always find a way to avoid acknowledging your errors. Just recently, you have speculated that the weird numbering of the supposed "Presidential Executive Order" is because the one in question is secret and others are not. You use the patently illogical tactic of challenging me to prove a negative -- "Yeah, well... the guy on TV says he has this Executive Order. Why hasn't Bush denied it? Prove to me the guy is lying." You ignore mountains of evidence -- including the positive identification of the bodies -- that a commercial airliner filled with passengers hit the Pentagon because "the hole it left doesn't look right to me" or that maybe the forensic team is in on the coverup.

Anyone can play that game forever on anything.

...and to me, they seem to be speaking the truth, he helps put things into context that anybody can understand, something I was never very good at. People like him are only being human, they are questioning what is happening, they are doing the research and that I think is a very important quality in a human being.

Logic and reason is a more important quality. Besides, they don't do research. When one of their claims is debunked, they ignore it. What does Alex Jones have to say about the indisputable fact that the Pentagon corpses have been positively identified? He has nothing to say -- he ignores it because it doesn't fit his agenda. That's not being "human"... at least not being a fully functional human. The primary mode of survival for humans is through the exercise of reason.

Questioning authority. Questioning life, questioning beliefs, questioning everything. If anybody really wants to help promote a complete authoritative state by doing what they want you to, by remaining divided, then fine..keep clinging onto their bullshit...

Historically, one cannot sustain an authoritative state through the promotion of bullshit. This is why the USSR is with us no longer. And it's why folks like Alex Jones and the moonbats at rense.com will get nowhere... because the average person recognizes bullshit when he sees it.

...as if out of the whole spectrum of possibilities this is the only reality/system we can possibly be working for, as if to assume we have no choice in the matter..go ahead and keep at eachothers throats like they are counting on you to do and hitch along for their 'free' ride to a tyrannical hell. I for one do not like this idea, and as long as I am alive I don't plan on just sitting on my ass and taking all the shit they are spoonfeeding the populations, but instead promoting individuality, promoting creativity, promoting what I truely believe it means to be human.

No, instead you'll just sit on your ass and accept uncritically the shit the moonbats are spoonfeeding you. As I said before, it's no skin off my nose. I am not affected by their delusions.

Woopdie doo eh?

Peachy keen.



pinky


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinePhluck
Carpal Tunnel
 User Gallery

Registered: 04/10/99
Posts: 11,394
Loc: Canada
Last seen: 7 months, 4 days
Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: ekomstop]
    #3185859 - 09/27/04 10:35 AM (19 years, 8 months ago)

Questioning authority. Questioning life, questioning beliefs, questioning everything.

Except, of course, websites claiming that Bush knew.


--------------------
"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
http://phluck.is-after.us

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinePhluck
Carpal Tunnel
 User Gallery

Registered: 04/10/99
Posts: 11,394
Loc: Canada
Last seen: 7 months, 4 days
Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: Phred]
    #3185910 - 09/27/04 10:53 AM (19 years, 8 months ago)



--------------------
"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
http://phluck.is-after.us

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineekomstop
Male User Gallery

Registered: 03/31/01
Posts: 1,880
Loc: Canada Flag
Last seen: 13 years, 4 months
Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: Phluck]
    #3185957 - 09/27/04 11:04 AM (19 years, 8 months ago)

I realize what he is trying to say and like I said I respect his position, although it might not seem like it , I can remain a little skeptical myself, however, I've seen a pile of documentaries, I've read quite a few articles pointing out inconsistensies in the official report (although I admit a number of them are probably pretty lowsy attempts, I can't seem to find it in me to disregard them all as theory), and quite frankly, when I see bush and friends speaking at any given time, I get quite a strong feeling that they are completely full of horse shit. Of course that is just a subjective thing and may only be speaking for myself here, but I mean..they keep warning people that "There will be another terrorist attack" "Americans will die on American soil, possibly in high numbers" ... they really seem to be able to predict the future, don't they? But no, with all the warnings beforehand, they couldn't do so on 9/11.

Think about their 'explination' for why the terrorists attacked in the first place. "they hate us because of our freedom" ...maybe so, but personally, I don't buy it. I see what they are trying to build, they are raising security everywhere, they can already see into your home via satelite images, the definition of a terrorist has been extended way beyond the realm of reason, and because of what happened on 9/11, the people are thinking all of this survalence and security is a good thing. They used 9/11 as a stepping stone to implement these new sets of rules. Sure they tell everyone it is to be used for the terrorists..but again, how do they define a terrorist?

I'm not about to go through every single article and try and prove it correct, I'm just bringing some of the information that has been gathered for people to consider. As far as I know, the majority (atleast) of these articles wern't simply fabricated, they are from mainstream news, many of which says their sources are directly from FBI agents, warnings from insiders in other countries, and the like. But if anybody can prove they are all full of shit, I'd love to learn that our governments may not actually be insane corrupt lunatics..

I mean, I could simply buy the official report and disregard everything else as fabricated..but say for example somebody were to just find out this whole situation right now..a clear mind regarding 'both' sides of the story..without having been exposed to CNN and FOX and all this repetative 'in your face' terrorism this, terrorism that. basically, a neutral position on the whole thing. So from their vantage point, either side could be about as fabricated as the other. I wonder which perspective would make more sense to them? The hi-jackers with box-cutters? when I started looking into some of this stuff a couple years ago pretty much as soon as I started seeing all this conspiracy theory stuff, at first I was completely skeptical..I figured it was just a matter of time before the shit started poping up, and was pretty much inevitable. but eventually I just started asking myself..for what reason would this happen? why would 'terrorists' even bother to put the effort into such a sophisticated operation, especially on a particular date with the signature 9/11? Just that raises a whole series of new questions in my mind. Seems to me like it was used as a big mind game, that number that is always associated with 'danger' and negativity..911! 911! 911!, everywhere.

The bush admins on Cipro weeks before the highly publicised Anthrax attacks. The millitary flying taliban members back to safety post 9/11. All the pre knowledge and warnings of the possibility of such a thing happening. A number of the terrorists being trained and funded at US military bases, not to mention some are said to still be alive today. The Official Death Lists For All Four 911 Airliners Are Missing 36 Or 37 People Including All "19 Terrorists" These Four Airliners Were Also Somehow Averaging 70% Empty. NORAD was said to have ran drills two years prior using jets are weapons. And they still contend they have never heard of such a thing? The oaklahoma city bombing report is a fraud and is clearly a cover up involving government insiders, an FBI supervisor ordered the 1993 WTC attack to take place..ect, ect, ect..I mean, how can all of this be ignored? And this is just barely scratching the surface.

Do you have high speed? If so would you please consider doing what many people here have seemed to avoid and watch this documentary ? I'd love to know what you think. This is one of about 10 of them.

"He who would trade liberty for security, deserves neither liberty nor security" ~ Benjamin Franklin

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineekomstop
Male User Gallery

Registered: 03/31/01
Posts: 1,880
Loc: Canada Flag
Last seen: 13 years, 4 months
Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: Phred]
    #3186000 - 09/27/04 11:20 AM (19 years, 8 months ago)

well I think it's pretty clear that we dissagree on alot of this. Have a nice day.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinePhluck
Carpal Tunnel
 User Gallery

Registered: 04/10/99
Posts: 11,394
Loc: Canada
Last seen: 7 months, 4 days
Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: ekomstop]
    #3186019 - 09/27/04 11:25 AM (19 years, 8 months ago)

The bush admins on Cipro weeks before the highly publicised Anthrax attacks. The millitary flying taliban members back to safety post 9/11. All the pre knowledge and warnings of the possibility of such a thing happening. A number of the terrorists being trained and funded at US military bases, not to mention some are said to still be alive today. The Official Death Lists For All Four 911 Airliners Are Missing 36 Or 37 People Including All "19 Terrorists" These Four Airliners Were Also Somehow Averaging 70% Empty. NORAD was said to have ran drills two years prior using jets are weapons. And they still contend they have never heard of such a thing? The oaklahoma city bombing report is a fraud and is clearly a cover up involving government insiders, an FBI supervisor ordered the 1993 WTC attack to take place..ect, ect, ect..I mean, how can all of this be ignored?

If all of this is true, then of course it shouldn't be ignored. The question is, is any of this accurate? Did some guy on the internet just make it up?

And if it is true, is it truly out of the ordinary? For instance, Bush admins on Cipro weeks before the anthrax incidents may sound pretty suspicious... until you consider the fact that Cipro is an extremely common anti-biotic, given for all kinds of things. Anytime your doctor has given you an anti-biotic prescription, there's a pretty good chance that it was Cipro.

Norad was said to have run drills using jets as weapons? Said by who? Anyways, I would suspect that NORAD has propabily run drills for just about threat they could possibly think of.

For all the other claims, are you sure they're entirely true? Where did the information come from? How do you know it hasn't been twisted or misrepresented somewhere along the way?


--------------------
"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
http://phluck.is-after.us

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineekomstop
Male User Gallery

Registered: 03/31/01
Posts: 1,880
Loc: Canada Flag
Last seen: 13 years, 4 months
Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: Phluck]
    #3186062 - 09/27/04 11:32 AM (19 years, 8 months ago)

Like I said, the majority of what I have presented stems from non-other that the mainstream news/media. Please take some time to go through the archives here here and here. if you find anything suspicious, ie bullshit, I'd love to hear about it.

Check out that video if you can, it basically goes through a good pile of mainstream news articles, might save alot of reading, though everything can be double checked and investigated for accuracy by you, and is highly encouraged. I have a bunch of others that get closer and closer to the heart of the matter if you're interested.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineRoseM
Devil's Advocate
Female User Gallery

Registered: 09/24/03
Posts: 22,518
Loc: Mod not God Flag
Last seen: 1 year, 9 months
Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: ekomstop]
    #3186230 - 09/27/04 12:15 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

You did it!

You changed conspiracies again.


--------------------
Fiddlesticks.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: < Back | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | Next >  [ show all ]

Shop: Myyco.com Isolated Cubensis Liquid Culture For Sale   North Spore Bulk Substrate   Original Sensible Seeds Autoflowering Cannabis Seeds   PhytoExtractum Buy Bali Kratom Powder   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Bridgetown Botanicals Bridgetown Botanicals   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implications
( 1 2 3 4 all )
shellacct 8,732 72 10/30/11 11:03 AM
by mm.
* The World Trade Center Demolition
( 1 2 3 all )
Static 4,534 54 08/01/03 11:11 AM
by silversoul7
* No Justification for the WTC Bombings?
( 1 2 3 4 5 all )
Ravus 4,977 83 11/12/04 02:23 PM
by Phluck
* Conspiracy Theorists, flash movie about the Pentagon
( 1 2 3 4 all )
daussaulit 4,202 61 09/05/04 11:43 PM
by ekomstop
* Why the media's conspiracy theory is better than yours
( 1 2 all )
ekomstop 4,265 31 09/23/04 03:27 PM
by ekomstop
* Why the "tanks on the planes" 9--1 conspiracy theory is shit
( 1 2 all )
RandalFlagg 4,971 35 09/13/04 12:45 AM
by Zahid
* Are they building a pipeline through Afghanistan.. Senor_Doobie 1,355 11 06/14/02 04:01 AM
by Rono
* 3000 bombs in 48 hours
( 1 2 all )
pattern 2,573 38 03/17/03 05:48 PM
by Skikid16

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Enlil, ballsalsa
17,550 topic views. 1 members, 11 guests and 10 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.033 seconds spending 0.007 seconds on 13 queries.