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Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: ekomstop]
    #3174999 - 09/24/04 01:02 PM (20 years, 18 days ago)

> Would you please point out the part where you debunked anything?

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Yup, it is true, there were many offices in WTC 7. Secret servivce, New York City's crisis command center, Police, Verizon, perhaps even the FBI (I don't recall exactly)... among countless others. Obviously, since the spooks had offices in there, conspiracy must be near.

But before you get too excited about WTC 7 and all the offices it contained, please remember that the Pentagon was attacked on 9-11 too. The Pentagon is the HEADQUARTERS for all the (known) spooky U.S. govt. agencies. The Pentagon was attacked. For real. On 9-11. By terrorists. The passengers were all on the plane... their bodies and luggage were found in the rubble of the crash. so who gives a fuck about WTC 7?

WTC 7 was damaged in the collapse of the WTC towers. That is fact. How damaged was it? I have no clue. Was it on fire? Was it going to come down anyway? Hard for me to say. I was busy calling friends and family and telling them I was still alive.

All I know is my phone went out for several months the moment WTC 7 came down. My phone company had it's downtown office inside WTC 7. Spooky huh?

I assure you it was a hell of a lot spookier than this dumb conspiracy theory.

Most of the people at Ground Zero at the time of the attacks had no clue what the fuck was going on... especially the firemen (as evidence, I offer up the 100's of dead NYC firemen, who died in the confusion of that day...) communication problems were abundant at ground zero on 9-11. There were many people saying many different things on 9-11... because nobody knew what the fuck was going on. NYC hadn't been attacked since... like... the war of 1812. Americans were nuts on 9-11... especially New Yorkers. This too is a fact.

The building that was supposed to be the command center for New York disasters... was WTC 7. Fact.

At the time WTC 7 came down, nobody knew if the attacks were over. Fact.

Several critical buildings, aside from the The WTC Towers and WTC 7 were severely damaged... by the attack on the WTC. Fact.

WTC 7 came down. Fact.

So what?

Since WTC 7 came down in what appears to be a safe and controlled fassion, the only possible way it could have been brought down was if a bomb was pre-planted inside? Right?

Bullshit.

It was proven earlier THAT day, there are MANY ways to demolish a skyscraper (unless, of course, it was the Teeny-tiny nukes). So... why is every conspiracy theorist a building demolition engineer all of a sudden?

I don't know how WTC 7 came down. I simply haven't looked into it, and I don't care. It doesn't matter. Don't worry, I will thoroughly explain why. It will take a while, but I will. Thanks for getting me to type about something important.

First of all, let us put this into context. Four airplanes were hijacked and crashed on 9-11. One crashed in Pennsylvania... in a field. One hit the Pentagon. Two hit the WTC towers and caused both of them to fall. So... how exactly is WTC 7 even relavant?

Do you even know where WTC 7 stood in the WTC complex? It was right by the West Side Highway, and most rescuers would need to enter near WTC 7. The West Side Highway was the only road nearby that was wide enough to quickly handle all the equiptment required to conduct such a rescue operation. If WTC 7 was damaged, it needed to come down, and fast. If not, it would have been VERY DIFFICULT insert the big equiptment required to clean debris.

It makes a lot of sense to me that WTC 7 was quickly demolished for a good, logical reason. THE RESCUE OPERATION.

After the towers fell, nothing was more important than RESCUE.

Oh yeah, the spooks worked there too (well... they had to work somewhere in NYC). Oh and... a big building couldn't possibly be brought down quickly. It takes demolition experts weeks to bring down a building. Riiiiiiiiiight. You'd be AMAZED at what people can do when lives are on the line.

Ok, now that we have context... but...

Who cares?

If WTC 7 IS the big issue, as you and other "Tin hatters" seem to insist upon believing, you can rest assured the money hungry American, Canadian, English, French, Russian... MEDIA will be on this story like flies on shit.

Really.

Shouldn't Someone credible have said something about it by now? A story THAT big, "EXTRA EXTRA READ ALL ABOUT IT... 9-11 WAS NOT WHAT YOU THOUGHT IT WAS!!!!" would sell a lot of papers.

Obviously the major media sources of all the countries in the world are aware of the WTC 7 theory. Why haven't they gone crazy over it? Are they all taking a hit in the pocketbook to protect America? I doubt it.

OK... now why and how did WTC 7 come down?

Well, let's look at the proposed theories.

1. WTC 7 was damaged so bad it was on fire. Since it was going to come down soon... it was quickly brought down in a safe, controlled manor.

2. WTC 7 could not be secured and it contained SECRET UNKNOWN ITEMS that would be better sacrificed than stolen by looters... or God forbid, terrorists... so it was quickly brought down in a safe, controlled manor.

3. WTC 7 was fine... but terrorists had snuck in and sabbotaged the basement. The 9-11 attacks on the Pentagon and the WTC towers were a smoke screen. The real purpose was brining down WTC 7 but the attack failed... WTC 7 still stood... so the terrorists moved to plan B and WTC 7 was brought down in a safe, controlled manor.

4. WTC 7 was damaged by the attacks... it was going to come down soon. Fortunately government spooks had planted high explosives in all the crucial structural support of WTC 7. The spooks then moved everybody out of the area and WTC 7 was brought down in a safe, controlled manor.

5. WTC 7 was damaged and could not be secured. To help with the RESCUE EFFORT, WTC 7 was quickly demolished in a safe, controlled manor. Fuck, they couldn't waste time. People, friends were dead and dying... and until WTC 7 came down, large ammounts of rescuers could not be safe enough to go into ground zero in large numbers.

Well, I could go on all night adding possible ways WTC 7 could have come down... but come on.

I don't know how WTC 7 really came down. To be honest, I haven't even looked. I don't need to. Your articles and information are faulty enough to debunk without research. All I had to do was think.

The building came down. Its collapse was planned well ahead of time. People were moved out of the area. Nobody was hurt.

The rescue operation continued.




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Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: ekomstop]
    #3175004 - 09/24/04 01:03 PM (20 years, 18 days ago)

Ekom, in light of what I have already said (since I seem to be typing more than you lately), please point out what I have failed to debunk.


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Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: Rose]
    #3175069 - 09/24/04 01:15 PM (20 years, 18 days ago)

I appreciate your attempts, but to tell you the truth alot of what I've read by you seem to be generally reflecting the claims that have been pushed by the mainstream media, mixed up with some of your own theories trying to explain what has not yet been explained. How can one assume that your guesses should be considered any more conclusive than anybody elses'?

No to mention your repeated statements "so what?" and "who cares?" suggests to me you probably arn't too interested in learning what the truth is anyway.

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Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: ekomstop]
    #3175155 - 09/24/04 01:32 PM (20 years, 18 days ago)

Well, I have asked you many many times:

What does WTC 7 have to do with anything?

And...

I'm still waiting for THAT answer.

Remember, this thread's supposed to be about Teeny-tiny nukes.

As for my story and the American media's being similar, perhaps that is because the American and New York media was there, in downtown Manhattan with ME. Reporting the same things I SAW.

How do I lose credibility, when I tell you what I know? Oh yes, because it sounds a lot like the American media's reporting of the event. Since me and the media were there (Where were you?) I suspect our credibility is more sound than you suspect.

Why don't I believe in this conspiracy?

Simple.

I save $$$ on tin foil hats.


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Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: Rose]
    #3175229 - 09/24/04 01:45 PM (20 years, 18 days ago)

I'm not saying you have to believe anything, nor is it any of my concern. For all I care, this thread can go in any direction it very well pleases. This is far from the only thread pointing out legitimate questions in regard to 9/11, and many of them have seemed to shift a little off track merly because the discussions lead to new ideas/questions. This is a good thing. I don't know what WTC 7 has to do with anything, that is why I brought it up. How do you suppose it shouldn't be worthy of discussion?

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Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: Rose]
    #3175404 - 09/24/04 02:23 PM (20 years, 18 days ago)

Again:

What does WTC 7 have to do with anything?


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Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: Rose]
    #3175424 - 09/24/04 02:27 PM (20 years, 18 days ago)

I am about to head out to work, but quickly..tell me you know what W199I is? (yes I am shifting the topic slightly for the sake of making a point)

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Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: Rose]
    #3175486 - 09/24/04 02:40 PM (20 years, 18 days ago)

let me try to answer that.

First of all it was a massive skyscraper that collapsed in the midst of the most chaotic terrorist attack in history. It's something you can just cassually ignore like it's nothing.

I just read this entire thread and until a few moments ago it seemed like nobody here was clear on why it had collapsed. That was resovled when someone dug up a article that explained it for what all the "consipracy nuts" claimed it was, which was an implosion.

However, nobody seemed to see "bombs exploding" in the building, which is what everyone seems to think you would see if a building was imploded. There is no footage of these exsplosions yet that is without a doubt what happened.

The fact that it collapsed in the exact same manner as towers 1 and 2 (straight down in a demolition style implosion) seems to backup the conspiracy theorists claims that similar charges were detonated in the towers. If you couldn't see the exsplosions in building 7, then why would you see them in the towers?

The towers fell neatly to the ground which is amazing if it just ramdomly occured from the steel supports melting. A more plausible explaination is that they were also imploded for whatever reason.

So in a sense building 7's collapse is very important.


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Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
    #3175499 - 09/24/04 02:44 PM (20 years, 18 days ago)


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Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: ekomstop]
    #3175531 - 09/24/04 02:51 PM (20 years, 18 days ago)

This brings up another question I still need answered:

Why is every "Tin Hatter," suddenly a building demolitions expert?

GRAVITY is what causes buildings to fall DOWN.


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Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: Seuss]
    #3175538 - 09/24/04 02:52 PM (20 years, 18 days ago)

I found a clip of that poof of smoke I was reffering to earlier, which happens to occur before the collapse:

click here

http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/towerblast.html

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Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: ekomstop]
    #3175584 - 09/24/04 02:59 PM (20 years, 18 days ago)

WTC 7 was damaged, on fire... and/or demolished.

What does WTC 7 have to do with anything?


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Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: Rose]
    #3175669 - 09/24/04 03:22 PM (20 years, 18 days ago)

Quote:

Cervantes said:
GRAVITY is what causes buildings to fall DOWN.





case closed!  :smirk:


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Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
    #3175726 - 09/24/04 03:40 PM (20 years, 18 days ago)

See my last question.


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Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: Rose]
    #3175845 - 09/24/04 04:11 PM (20 years, 18 days ago)

i already responded to this question earlier.

and besides whats the point. even if i had all the answers, i doubt you'd listen to them. you don't really care what it had to do with anything. you seem uniterested in learning and instead totally focused on "discrediting" people. i won't bother wasting my time.


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Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
    #3175920 - 09/24/04 04:29 PM (20 years, 18 days ago)

A lot of words you are putting in my mouth...

I assure you I can put words down myself.

I don't put words in your mouth.

I simply ask questions.

If you answered already, refresh my memory.

What does WTC 7 have to do with anything?

I promise I will respond.


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Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: Rose]
    #3176591 - 09/24/04 07:39 PM (20 years, 18 days ago)

What does George Bush signing a document two months before 9/11 ordering all FBI agents and defence intelligence officers that they would be arrested under national security violations if they stopped the al qaeda terror rings in Chigaco, Florida, New York and New Jersey have to do with anything?

:P

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Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: ekomstop]
    #3176720 - 09/24/04 08:30 PM (20 years, 18 days ago)

Quote:

ekomstop said:
Quote:

Cervantes said:Do not confuse my debunking of these silly conspiracies as blind support for George Bush.




Would you please point out the part where you effectively debunked anything?


cant debunk the truth

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Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: ekomstop]
    #3176732 - 09/24/04 08:35 PM (20 years, 18 days ago)

Quote:

ekomstop said:
What does George Bush signing a document two months before 9/11 ordering all FBI agents and defence intelligence officers that they would be arrested under national security violations if they stopped the al qaeda terror rings in Chigaco, Florida, New York and New Jersey have to do with anything?

:P





Stop changing conspiracies on me!

Link (From a credible source please... hell... Al Jazeera will do!)?

And, for the last time, what does this have to do with WTC 7?


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Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: Rose]
    #3176865 - 09/24/04 09:22 PM (20 years, 18 days ago)

Nobody is changing the conspiracy on you, but merly point out different aspects of the same conspiracy.

Incase you overlooked his post, JonnyOnTheSpot already answered your question, alot better than I probably could I might add. Can you answer my question? Why would bush sign W199I and claim it was an order under 'national security' threatening investigators with arrest if they failed to comply? Is he just an incredibly bigger dumbass than anyone had ever imagined, or might he have done this to ensure that terrorist attacks would happen in order help further his own (but not limited to 'his own') absolutely insane tyrannical agenda?

Just out of curiosity, has CNN or any of your other 'legitimate' sources of information informed you of this document?

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