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 Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa  [Re: d33p]
#3170833 - 09/23/04 04:34 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Apparently you haven't run into the same information that I, and millions others have.
If you or anybody here could conjure up enough "evidence" taken from your beloved bush administration and CNN to convince me Al Quada was behind it all without any help whatsoever from insiders in the U.S. among possibly other governments, I will honorably pledge to be your bitch for life.
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Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: ekomstop]
#3171062 - 09/23/04 05:29 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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the fact is that 7 wasn't struck and did not experience any
severe fire damage.
what is also fact is that the owner of the building and FEMA
have both provided contradictory stories as to why that
building came down.
I think the current story is that it was 'pulled', meaning
purposely imploded.
that being said, how does one go about executing a
controlled demolition of a building of that size in the midst
of the mayhem of september 11th in the heart of ground
zero?
there's only two explanations....
1. the bombs were already in the building.
2. they were able to engineer and execute a controlled
demolition in a matter of hours.
the obvious choice is 2, but no one's been able to vouch
for it.
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Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: afoaf]
#3171766 - 09/23/04 07:49 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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There are loads of facts that many would rather disregard as crazy conspiracy 'theories', generalizing them all into one (barking moonbat) category while maintaing the notion that 'all of them' were supposedly 'proven' wrong years ago. This is what I would have to refer to as ignorance and/or flat out denial.
Though in regards to your comments, something tells me option one could be about as possible as option two..
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Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: ekomstop]
#3171981 - 09/23/04 08:26 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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thanks for the knowledge. polls show 50% of NYC has woken up to the fact that 911 didnt happen the way the government and the media say. i think once those numbers grow a little and the people from the main point of attack relise its a lie, it will spread and eventually the majority of the country will see the truth. knowledge is power and the only way to not let those people die in vein is to show the media and government are lieing
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Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: AhronZombi]
#3172240 - 09/23/04 09:09 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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it'll never leave new york if manhattan happens to get chemtrailed!!!!
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Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: afoaf]
#3172262 - 09/23/04 09:11 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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the whole country gets chemtrailed. i dont think that stuff has much power over us i think its just a way of using big populations kidneys to dispose of waste
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Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: ekomstop]
#3172676 - 09/23/04 10:16 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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This situation sort of reminds me of a low self-esteemed girl and her douchebag cheating boyfriend.
"He's changed! He's telling me the truth this time!"
Way too many glaring inconsistencies for the official story to be accurate, the fact that that is what is presented to us as truth, (with very little revision after the first week) should be the first red-flag. A little insight into world geopolitics, realpolitik, and history should be the second.
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Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: ekomstop]
#3172809 - 09/23/04 10:38 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Eskimo... how does your WTC 7 theory fit into the mini-nuclear bomb theory.
Before I discuss and debunk the WTC 7 fiasco, explain... are you changing conpiracies mid thread, or are you just tossing conspiracies up until one sticks?
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Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: Rose]
#3172904 - 09/23/04 10:56 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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I didn't write that article, nor did I say I believed every word it said. I am merly bringing information to the table that raises legitimate questions that just so happens to counter the official story.
Here is a short flash video that might make you go hmmm...that is, if you haven't seen it before. http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon.php
Of course some people here maintain the belief that everything proposed in it have already been 'proven' innacurate here ..you be the judge.
Also if you have highspeed I'd highly recommend you check out this documentary by Alex Jones, it is the follow up to one of his other documentaries "911 the road to tyranny" which I also have available if anybody wants it (among others)
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Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: afoaf]
#3172983 - 09/23/04 11:12 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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is there a plausible explanation for why 7 fell?
either on it's own or by intervention?
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Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: afoaf]
#3173079 - 09/23/04 11:35 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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I believe the official report says it was due to a (probably nonexistant) fire..other than that so-called explanation it's a mystery to me..and I'd be willing to bet the mainstream media for one has been probably making an effort to avoid that issue completely (though I guess I could be wrong, I don't have a tv..)
If that is the case though, that should be a pretty good indication to people of just how reliable a source of information the mainstream media really is.
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Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: afoaf]
#3173140 - 09/23/04 11:50 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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World Trade Center Seven collapsed on September 11, 2001, at 5:20 p.m. There were no known casualties due to this collapse. The performance of WTC 7 is of significant interest because it appears the collapse was due primarily to fire, rather than any impact damage from the collapsing towers. Prior to September 11, 2001, there was little, if any, record of fire-induced collapse of large fire-protected steel buildings.
Larry Silverstein, the controller of the destroyed WTC complex, stated plainly in a PBS documentary that he and the FDNY decided jointly to demolish the Solomon Bros. building, or WTC 7, late in the afternoon of Tuesday, Sept. 11, 2001.
In the documentary "America Rebuilds", aired September 2002, Silverstein makes the following statement;
"I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse." [mp3]
In the same program a cleanup worker referred to the demolition of WTC 6: "... we're getting ready to pull the building six." [mp3]
There ya go.
Also I found these interesting:
The SEC has not quantified the number of active cases in which substantial files were destroyed [in the collapse of WTC 7]. Reuters news service and the Los Angeles Times published reports estimating them at 3,000 to 4,000. They include the agency's major inquiry into the manner in which investment banks divvied up hot shares of initial public offerings during the high-tech boom. ..."Ongoing investigations at the New York SEC will be dramatically affected because so much of their work is paper-intensive," said Max Berger of New York's Bernstein Litowitz Berger & Grossmann. "This is a disaster for these cases." [New York Lawyer]
Citigroup says some information that the committee is seeking [about WorldCom] was destroyed in the Sept. 11 terror attack on the World Trade Center. Salomon had offices in 7 World Trade Center, one of the buildings that collapsed in the aftermath of the attack. The bank says that back-up tapes of corporate emails from September 1998 through December 2000 were stored at the building and destroyed in the attack. [TheStreet]
Inside [WTC 7 was] the US Secret Service's largest field office with more than 200 employees. ..."All the evidence that we stored at 7 World Trade, in all our cases, went down with the building," according to US Secret Service Special Agent David Curran. [TechTV]
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Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: FrankieJustTrypt]
#3173209 - 09/24/04 12:10 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Holy shit. Thank you for posting this.
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Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: ekomstop]
#3173500 - 09/24/04 02:00 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ok... so I guess you see no connection between the Teeny-tiny nukes and WTC 7. Does that mean you are just throwing conspiracy theories up against the wall?
OK, let's see if this one sticks.
Not very likely.
Yup, it is true, there were many offices in WTC 7. Secret servivce, New York City's crisis command center, Police, Verizon, perhaps even the FBI (I don't recall exactly)... among countless others. Obviously, since the spooks had offices in there, conspiracy must be near.
But before you get too excited about WTC 7 and all the offices it contained, please remember that the Pentagon was attacked on 9-11 too. The Pentagon is the HEADQUARTERS for all the (known) spooky U.S. govt. agencies. The Pentagon was attacked. For real. On 9-11. By terrorists. The passengers were all on the plane... their bodies and luggage were found in the rubble of the crash. so who gives a fuck about WTC 7?
WTC 7 was damaged in the collapse of the WTC towers. That is fact. How damaged was it? I have no clue. Was it on fire? Was it going to come down anyway? Hard for me to say. I was busy calling friends and family and telling them I was still alive.
All I know is my phone went out for several months the moment WTC 7 came down. My phone company had it's downtown office inside WTC 7. Spooky huh?
I assure you it was a hell of a lot spookier than this dumb conspiracy theory.
Most of the people at Ground Zero at the time of the attacks had no clue what the fuck was going on... especially the firemen (as evidence, I offer up the 100's of dead NYC firemen, who died in the confusion of that day...) communication problems were abundant at ground zero on 9-11. There were many people saying many different things on 9-11... because nobody knew what the fuck was going on. NYC hadn't been attacked since... like... the war of 1812. Americans were nuts on 9-11... especially New Yorkers. This too is a fact.
The building that was supposed to be the command center for New York disasters... was WTC 7. Fact.
At the time WTC 7 came down, nobody knew if the attacks were over. Fact.
Several critical buildings, aside from the The WTC Towers and WTC 7 were severely damaged... by the attack on the WTC. Fact.
WTC 7 came down. Fact.
So what?
Since WTC 7 came down in what appears to be a safe and controlled fassion, the only possible way it could have been brought down was if a bomb was pre-planted inside? Right?
Bullshit.
It was proven earlier THAT day, there are MANY ways to demolish a skyscraper (unless, of course, it was the Teeny-tiny nukes). So... why is every conspiracy theorist a building demolition engineer all of a sudden?
I don't know how WTC 7 came down. I simply haven't looked into it, and I don't care. It doesn't matter. Don't worry, I will thoroughly explain why. It will take a while, but I will. Thanks for getting me to type about something important.
First of all, let us put this into context. Four airplanes were hijacked and crashed on 9-11. One crashed in Pennsylvania... in a field. One hit the Pentagon. Two hit the WTC towers and caused both of them to fall. So... how exactly is WTC 7 even relavant?
Do you even know where WTC 7 stood in the WTC complex? It was right by the West Side Highway, and most rescuers would need to enter near WTC 7. The West Side Highway was the only road nearby that was wide enough to quickly handle all the equiptment required to conduct such a rescue operation. If WTC 7 was damaged, it needed to come down, and fast. If not, it would have been VERY DIFFICULT insert the big equiptment required to clean debris.
It makes a lot of sense to me that WTC 7 was quickly demolished for a good, logical reason. THE RESCUE OPERATION.
After the towers fell, nothing was more important than RESCUE.
Oh yeah, the spooks worked there too (well... they had to work somewhere in NYC). Oh and... a big building couldn't possibly be brought down quickly. It takes demolition experts weeks to bring down a building. Riiiiiiiiiight. You'd be AMAZED at what people can do when lives are on the line.
Ok, now that we have context... but...
Who cares?
If WTC 7 IS the big issue, as you and other "Tin hatters" seem to insist upon believing, you can rest assured the money hungry American, Canadian, English, French, Russian... MEDIA will be on this story like flies on shit.
Really.
Shouldn't Someone credible have said something about it by now? A story THAT big, "EXTRA EXTRA READ ALL ABOUT IT... 9-11 WAS NOT WHAT YOU THOUGHT IT WAS!!!!" would sell a lot of papers.
Obviously the major media sources of all the countries in the world are aware of the WTC 7 theory. Why haven't they gone crazy over it? Are they all taking a hit in the pocketbook to protect America? I doubt it.
OK... now why and how did WTC 7 come down?
Well, let's look at the proposed theories.
1. WTC 7 was damaged so bad it was on fire. Since it was going to come down soon... it was quickly brought down in a safe, controlled manor.
2. WTC 7 could not be secured and it contained SECRET UNKNOWN ITEMS that would be better sacrificed than stolen by looters... or God forbid, terrorists... so it was quickly brought down in a safe, controlled manor.
3. WTC 7 was fine... but terrorists had snuck in and sabbotaged the basement. The 9-11 attacks on the Pentagon and the WTC towers were a smoke screen. The real purpose was brining down WTC 7 but the attack failed... WTC 7 still stood... so the terrorists moved to plan B and WTC 7 was brought down in a safe, controlled manor.
4. WTC 7 was damaged by the attacks... it was going to come down soon. Fortunately government spooks had planted high explosives in all the crucial structural support of WTC 7. The spooks then moved everybody out of the area and WTC 7 was brought down in a safe, controlled manor.
5. WTC 7 was damaged and could not be secured. To help with the RESCUE EFFORT, WTC 7 was quickly demolished in a safe, controlled manor. Fuck, they couldn't waste time. People, friends were dead and dying... and until WTC 7 came down, large ammounts of rescuers could not be safe enough to go into ground zero in large numbers.
Well, I could go on all night adding possible ways WTC 7 could have come down... but come on.
I don't know how WTC 7 really came down. To be honest, I haven't even looked. I don't need to. Your articles and information are faulty enough to debunk without research. All I had to do was think.
The building came down. Its collapse was planned well ahead of time. People were moved out of the area. Nobody was hurt.
The rescue operation continued.
That's all I care about.
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Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: Rose]
#3174099 - 09/24/04 08:30 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well done, Cervantes!
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Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: Phred]
#3174409 - 09/24/04 10:14 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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that's 'debunking'?
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Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: Rose]
#3174819 - 09/24/04 12:00 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
If WTC 7 IS the big issue, as you and other "Tin hatters" seem to insist upon believing, you can rest assured the money hungry American, Canadian, English, French, Russian... MEDIA will be on this story like flies on shit.
Judging from that statement alone, I would say that you only get your news from American sources...I.E..CNN, FOX, MSNBC etc...The sad and simple fact is that many Americans don't WANT to know the truth...they are happy in their little bubbles. Can you imagine what would happen if it was proven without a doubt that the current adminstration not only allowed the attacks to happen, but helped orchestrate them? Absolute chaos would reign...Although I can't comment on Russian or French news since I speak nor read either, I can comment on Canadian news and there has been alot of speculation as to what really happened on 9-11. FAR more so, than what has been shown by American news. There was even a 1 hour special that was aired on TV here by CBC that did nothing but address the discrepancies of 9-11. I'll see if I can find a link for that one again.
Whether you believe in a conspiracy or not, there are alot of unanswered questions and discrepancies in 'official' stories that deserve to be looked into further...if the current administration has nothing to hide, then why should it be a problem?
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Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: Rono]
#3174853 - 09/24/04 12:15 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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> Absolute chaos would reign...
Worse than lying under oath about getting a blowjob in the oval office?
(lame attempt on my part to illustrate how backwards politics are in the US)
Edited by Seuss (09/24/04 12:16 PM)
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Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: Rono]
#3174859 - 09/24/04 12:17 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Look, we are talking about WTC 7 here... please don't change the conspiracy on me again.
Do not confuse my debunking of these silly conspiracies as blind support for George Bush.
I didn't say foreign news sources were silent about 9-11. Far from it.
They have suspeced something foul since 9-12-01.
That is why I said, if something was fishy with WTC 7, you could rest assured the World Media would be covering the story like flies on shit... the only links I see presented in this thread are to conspiracy sights... not legit, world news sources.
And I certainly am not quoting the American news sources on this topic.
LIKE I SAID BEFORE. I AM QUOTING MY OWN BRAIN... PERSONAL EXPERIENCE... AND KNOWLEDGE OF THE AREA.
It'd be better in this case, if you didn't doubt my proximity to the WTC when it fell. I know... I'm American, but I am not lying.
While it stood, I spent a lot of spare time at the base of WTC Towers... watching concerts, hanging out... I used to trip and toke there regularly. Yes, I was discrete.
You can learn a lot with your own eyes. I was very firmiliar with the layout of the WTC complex.
While the world media has covered 9-11, I haven't seen any complelling evidence that WTC 7 was brought down for any reason, but to aid in the rescue operation.
Do I think America is perfect? No.
Do I think Bush is a hero? No.
Do I think WTC 7 is part of a big conspiracy? No.
Every WTC building that was not destroyed in the attacks, was torn down eventually.
All the buildings were on THE SAME FOUNDATION.
It was innevetable after the towers fell... WTC 7 was going to come down sooner or later.
The OWNER of WTC 7 says he gave the order to, "Pull it."
Where's the conspiracy?
Oh yeah, nobody knows if WTC 7 burned down or was demolished.
Who cares?
How is this connected to Halliburton, or the Bush clan's relation to Saudi Arabians connected to 9-11?
If you believe in ALL the conspiracies, you begin to look silly... because ALL the conspiracy theories DO NOT support each other.
Yes, America is a big greedy country... but it did not attack its own Pentagon.
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Edited by Rose (09/24/04 12:42 PM)
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Re: Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fa [Re: Rose]
#3174993 - 09/24/04 01:01 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Cervantes said:Do not confuse my debunking of these silly conspiracies as blind support for George Bush.
Would you please point out the part where you effectively debunked anything?
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