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Microwaving Active Species
    #3166928 - 09/22/04 10:53 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Is it possible to microwave your mushrooms in a bowl so that the juice comes out in the bowl then take the juice and put it in a vial and store in the freezer to preserve potency?

I ask this because of a claim from someone I know personally that they did it then put the juice on a joint and smoked it. He said it works, but I still think alot is wasted from the heat.


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Re: Microwaving Active Species [Re: I2ancid]
    #3167371 - 09/22/04 11:57 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Eh.. no. Maybe amanita. heh.

The microwave itself, will probably kill. The juices that come out, what makes you think they'll be more potent than the solid matter. (I'm actually asking, any reason the psilocybin would come out in the liquid?)

but if all that isn't enough, the heat from the lighter will surely finish it off. Not to mention that very little could be in a joint that's still smokable. I bet he got high off the joint. Sounds like the bowl of weed with a little "opium" in it. Wow, it got me high! off topic..


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Re: Microwaving Active Species [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #3167498 - 09/23/04 12:14 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

OK, now maybe this thread will die quickly and be laughed at, but I have a serious question along the lines of the actual question posted here.... 

COULD you take a wheat grass juice extractor, and juice fresh mushrooms to get the actives out....?  Maybe this is even a stupid question....  Because I am sure it would make one hell of a mess, not all of the actives would be squeezed out, AND you would have to store it in Alcohol to keep the actives alive....  And if one was to do that, it would just be better to use an alcohol extraction in the first place....  Never mind....!  LoL  :tongue2:


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Re: Microwaving Active Species [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #3167713 - 09/23/04 12:52 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

psilocybin/psilocin is not a living thing. Hopefully you know this, but I've seen a lot of people talking about "killing the actives" recently.


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Re: Microwaving Active Species [Re: cherokee]
    #3167759 - 09/23/04 01:01 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I meant it as a figure of speech, the active tryptamines oxodize if they are left in the air....  That is what I meant by it....  They kinda~ die, but I know they are not alive....    Kinda~ like saying "My car just died", when it really just doesn't work anymore....    :smirk:


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Re: Microwaving Active Species [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #3167984 - 09/23/04 01:43 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

wheatgrass juicer wouldnt be that good... you kinda need a little heat to get the water to soak up all the little goodies


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Re: Microwaving Active Species [Re: I2ancid]
    #3168918 - 09/23/04 06:47 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

OK i don't really understand what's wrong with eating shrooms BUT as i'm a chemist i could tell you that it SHOULD be possible to extract the chemicals from the shrooms. i'm not sure if psylocin is soluble in water (my guess is that it is at least partially). if it was then you could mash up some shrooms in soem water (warm water would probably work better) then use some chemical wizardry to purify it (distillation for eg). BUT you might as well make some shroom tea and then evaporate it down to make it more concentrated.

I think it's a bad idea though, really because any purification technique loses you some of the stuff you're trying to purify, so you'd only end up with less than you started with. Also i should warn that the website i visited states that psylocin is toxic (and of course they're talking about pure psylocin so basically what they mean is if u had a bottle of it u could kill yourself with it).

All in all, just eat them! they dont taste so bad and u can dip them in honey or put them in an ommelette or mix them up with OJ or whatever. why bother doing anything else? nature prepackaged it for you.


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Re: Microwaving Active Species [Re: hermanntrude]
    #3169222 - 09/23/04 10:45 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Aside from altering thought patterns, Its not toxic, or harmful to the body in any sense of the word.




Second most people dont have a milligram scale to bust out when they want to figure out a dose.


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Re: Microwaving Active Species [Re: I2ancid]
    #3170024 - 09/23/04 03:01 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I checked out the toxicity data on aldrich's website (they sell it in the pure form, but not to anyone!) and it was pretty safe but still, it was on the levels of about 15 grams per kilogram for a rat. which would mean you'd need a kilo or so of the pure stuff. toxic, but not in an easy to kill yourself kind of way


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Re: Microwaving Active Species [Re: I2ancid]
    #3170117 - 09/23/04 03:28 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Anythings toxic in high enough doses.
I wouldnt consider mushrooms toxic by the standard that "Oh yeah, that stuff will kill you" because the chemicals at normal doses, high doses, whatever, arent going to kill you. Toxic is a relative term.


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Re: Microwaving Active Species [Re: I2ancid]
    #3170462 - 09/23/04 04:57 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

me neither. I was just warning against purifying the stuff, cos way before it gets deadly it will fuck you up BIG stylee. There really is no point in purifying psylocin


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Re: Microwaving Active Species [Re: hermanntrude]
    #3171628 - 09/23/04 09:18 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Hermanntrude:  You may be a chemist, but I am sure that other chemists (like Shulgin) would laugh at how close minded your statements have been on this thread....  I was pondering a thought about extracting the juices from the fruit bodies for easier ingestion....  PONDERING....    Actual extraction is done with a form of alcohol, and would be best stated for all practical purposes that it has to stay there because of the easily oxidation of the mushroom's alkoloids....  Heat ALSO destroys the actives, but I am not sure at what temp....  I know this, and I am not a chemist, I just read about what I decide to ingest.... 

With simple math, your can measure the starting material, and dilute the ending material to substanciate a "safe" dosage level....  Nobody here was talking about injesting a huge quantity of pure alkoloids to get "Phucked up Big Time & Die" as you so blatently assumed.... 

Your ignorant "insights" on this matter will not be deemed useful by anyone....  Even if you are a "chemist".... 

HAVE A NICE DAY....!!!!      :stonedjerk:


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Edited by GimpyTomCat (09/23/04 09:21 PM)


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Re: Microwaving Active Species [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #3172535 - 09/23/04 11:49 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

You can extract psilocybin and make it HCL like almost any other active drug. I'm talking about a simple way to extract the water soluble chemicals from the actual mass without making a tea.


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Re: Microwaving Active Species [Re: I2ancid]
    #3172561 - 09/23/04 11:53 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Your question is kinda~ counterdicting into itself.... Water soluable chemicals without a tea.... Hhhhmmmm.... Honestly, I don't know about the HCL version.... Maybe a question better suited for a chemist....

Good luck...!


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Re: Microwaving Active Species [Re: I2ancid]
    #3173517 - 09/24/04 04:05 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

not assuming people are trying to get "phucked up and die". I was just being cautious. i dont wanna be the cause of anyone's suffering. And of coyrse extraction with an alcohol such as methanol, ethanol or IPA would probably work nicely but they themselves are toxic and might also react with the amine group (although this is unlikely as it's a tertiary)


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Re: Microwaving Active Species [Re: I2ancid]
    #3173520 - 09/24/04 04:07 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

and i think i read somewhere that it decomposes at 120something?C


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Re: Microwaving Active Species [Re: hermanntrude]
    #3173845 - 09/24/04 07:31 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

hermanntrude:  "And of coyrse extraction with an alcohol such as methanol, ethanol or IPA would probably work nicely but they themselves are toxic"

EEeerrrr....  Ethanol, poizonous....?  .  .  .  .  . ..:turtle:
CRRRRRRRRRRrrrrriiiiiiiiiiiPesssssssssssssssssss....
Dooooooood, you said that you were a "Chemist"....  What makes you say this...?  Degree, job, etc...?   
Please quit with the "ToXiC Mis-Information Spreading MoMMy Trying to Protect Us Because I am a Chemist" gig, and just ask the question if you don't KNOW the answer....  (Sorry for being so ruff, it just kinda~ rolled out like that.....!)    :tongue2:

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Re: Microwaving Active Species [Re: I2ancid]
    #3173896 - 09/24/04 08:33 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

no problem with the roughness. i guess i deserve it. i said toxic and it's only toxic in the strictest sense of the word in that it can harm you. If you buy a bottle of ethanol it has in big letters a sign that says "toxic". drink enough of it and you will puke your guts up.

But you are all right. I am being pedantic, even water can be toxic if u drink too much. And i guess most of the people who come here are clever enough not to kill themselves, but i was only being cautious because there's always one idiot who reads something and goes off and does something stupid.

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Re: Microwaving Active Species [Re: hermanntrude]
    #3173908 - 09/24/04 08:48 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

LD50 in rats means very very little to humans (chocolate anyone?)


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Re: Microwaving Active Species [Re: HarveyWalbanger]
    #3173979 - 09/24/04 09:33 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Ya~ gotta~ be careful with that chocolate, it's ToXiC...! <SmerK>

(Couldn't resist.... Hehehe...)


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