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Don Juan?
    #3166586 - 09/22/04 09:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Anyone ever read the carlos castaneda series about How he was taught by don juan?

I have and i must say, they are absolutley amazing.

That way of life would be awesome.


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    #3166610 - 09/22/04 09:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Don Juan? [Re: blink]
    #3166635 - 09/22/04 09:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

ive read about 7 of those books and have learned so much from them .. i believe that the intuistic shamanistic way of life is no joke .. the power of belief and ritual is limitless and can bring one beyond their physical and mental blocks which i believe is what these ancients were doing.. bridging imagination with reality.. which is why europeans probably killed them, reality to them was static .. and not subjective art as viewed by the ancients


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Re: Don Juan? [Re: bmarley3434]
    #3166650 - 09/22/04 09:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Oh man, I didn't even know there were more than three... I am SO Psyched now.

Thanks guys.

I too have learned a HUGE deal allready from the three. I agree that it is indeed no joke at all and I super interested in learning more and more about it. Do you know what other cultures practice similar rituals/beleifs?


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Re: Don Juan? [Re: Moxemerald]
    #3166710 - 09/22/04 10:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

every indigenous culture that ever existed.. mayans aztec (basically all south americans/ read about the mushroom cults) egyptians tibetan hindu.. read ancient writing it all points to faith ,belief, and ritual.. and each has their own ways of trying to convince you why to have those 3..1.to have faith of something beyond this universal perception/2. to travel the infinite dimensions of reality by believing you can with no doubt..3. to have rituals as symbols for you to gain strength in your belief..(the placebo effect) enabling you to perform "magic or miracles" if you have pure intent


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Re: Don Juan? [Re: bmarley3434]
    #3166727 - 09/22/04 10:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Awesome man I definitly have to nab those other books.


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Re: Don Juan? [Re: Moxemerald]
    #3166825 - 09/22/04 10:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

one thing ive never understood about this book was that don juan was described as making a hallucinogenic smokable mixture out of psilocybin mushrooms.. it seemed carlos had a very extreame and intense time with this "Ally". I was always under the impression that smoking mushrooms had little effect, if any.. i would also like to add that over the years there has been statements made regarding the truth of this book..


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Re: Don Juan? [Re: FecalDildo]
    #3166842 - 09/22/04 10:36 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Seriously?

Also though, it says that it is a mix of a psilocybe mushrooms and 4 other plants... (that part is crucial)

On the Erowid i think it says something about this too.


What statements have been made questioning the truth?


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Re: Don Juan? [Re: Moxemerald]
    #3166902 - 09/22/04 10:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

the "little smoke" consisted of several plants plus the mushrooms were mexicana.. which i have never smoked.. maybe they hit you different


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Re: Don Juan? [Re: Moxemerald]
    #3166916 - 09/22/04 10:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I have just recently started to read the first book of the series and it has taken me by suprise. I find these books to be extremely interesting because they help you think outside the box. They help you get away from the normal and the boring and open up a whole new way of thinking for the reader. Always fun to think about the greater powers that aren't always explainable.


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Re: Don Juan? [Re: Khazad]
    #3167213 - 09/22/04 11:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

the "truth questioning statements" are a manifestation of our disbelief and doubt that we have about humans and their capabilities and their sanity and the bubble that they have created through learning what human beings are NOT..even if the book was complete fiction it would show how much of our every day reality is subjective fiction.. and anyone who cannot absorb fiction and still reflect on their life and learn from it is an egotistical bastard imo (celestine prophecy for example).. enlightenment comes through all things if enlightenment is what you seek .. if you seek to realize what human beings are not .. well isnt that limiting


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Re: Don Juan? [Re: bmarley3434]
    #3167241 - 09/22/04 11:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Please, Rephrase.


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Re: Don Juan? [Re: Moxemerald]
    #3167797 - 09/23/04 01:08 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Moxemerald said:
Please, Rephrase.


The Celestine Prophecy and the other Redfield books in his series set very basic truths in fictional works.

Castaneda's Don Juan series, fictional or not(though I believe he avowed them to be accounts of his experiences to his death in 1998), contains fundamental beliefs important to anyone seeking the shaman way.

Better?
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Re: Don Juan? [Re: Moxemerald]
    #3167884 - 09/23/04 01:23 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

As far as I know, no one has ever found proof of Don Juan's existence outside of Carlos's books.


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Re: Don Juan? [Re: Moxemerald]
    #3168049 - 09/23/04 01:57 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I believe one of the plants in the mixture was jimsons's weed. that could surely have something to do with it.

"In order to teach and corroborate his knowledge don Juan used three well-known psychotropic plants: peyote, Lophophora williamsii; jimson weed, Datura inoxia; and a species of mushroom which belongs to the genus Psylocebe."

"Don Juan's procedure to utilize the mushrooms was to let them dry into a fine powder inside a small gourd. He kept the gourd sealed for a year and then mixed the fine powder with five other plants and produced a mixture for smoking in a pipe."

"The process of "smoking" consisted of ingesting the fine mushroom powder, which did not incinerate, and inhaling the smoke of the other five plants that made up the mixture."

I too have commented in this forum about the smoking psilocybin in this book, but upon re-reading it, it makes more sense.


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Re: Don Juan? [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #3168314 - 09/23/04 02:48 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

yeah see its a common mistake but he says he eats the mushrooms he doesnt smoke them

dont miss carlos castaneda's book: the art of dreaming , its amazing. Had some really intense experiences following instructions from that book


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Re: Don Juan? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #3170098 - 09/23/04 03:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Sorry to bring this back up (only last night) but there was probably little evidence of Don Juan's existance because Juan MAtis made it a point to be ridded of all of his personal information and background.


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Re: Don Juan? [Re: Moxemerald]
    #3170136 - 09/23/04 03:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Also, I'm sure Carlos wasn't trying to prove his existance, nor any information to the public. Could you imagine people trying to get don Juan interviews? ek.


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Re: Don Juan? [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #3170192 - 09/23/04 03:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

look what was done with maria sabina.. ruined that poor ladys communication with everything she knew


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Re: Don Juan? [Re: Moxemerald]
    #3170213 - 09/23/04 03:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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