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Re: Why is Israel a stable democracy and the Arab states aren't? [Re: Zahid]
    #3165922 - 09/22/04 05:14 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)


We haven't had a Muslim state since 1924.

If Muslims want to make some kind of "pure" Muslim state, I don't
give a fuck. However, I have a feeling that it will descend into
a barbaric theocracy much like Iran.


Do you ever bother to consider geo-political conditions? Or how these
dictatorships historically came to power?

Ah...so you finally get around to kind of trying to answer my
question. I asked why Arab states were all fucked up dictatorships
and you say because of "geo-political conditions". What are these
conditions? Why are Arab governments so fucked up?

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Re: Why is Israel a stable democracy and the Arab states aren't? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3165996 - 09/22/04 05:27 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

If Muslims want to make some kind of "pure" Muslim state, I don't
give a fuck. However, I have a feeling that it will descend into
a barbaric theocracy much like Iran.


O RandalFlagg, the Omniscient One.

Ah...so you finally get around to kind of trying to answer my
question. I asked why Arab states were all fucked up dictatorships
and you say because of "geo-political conditions". What are these
conditions? Why are Arab governments so fucked up?


Because they don't observe Shariah and abuse it instead.


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Re: Why is Israel a stable democracy and the Arab states aren't? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3166042 - 09/22/04 05:36 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

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RandalFlagg said:
Why is Israel a stable democracy and the Arab states aren't?

Why have the Arabs been so far incapable of establishing democracy and stability?



It's simple, Arab states aren't run by the Jews. If we put the Jews in charge, they'd be fixed in no time... making movies, running banks and sending out stand up comedians to entertain the world.


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Re: Why is Israel a stable democracy and the Arab states aren't? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3166075 - 09/22/04 05:44 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

The USA gives aid equivalent to about one million dollars per Jew in Israel. But they don't get most of it in cash. Most of the aid the US gives is in the form of credits to purchase military technology from the US. Which theState of Israel uses to murder Palestinians. Any wonder why the US is so hated in the Widdle East? The So called Arab States are constructs of the British and the US who carved the middle east into minor states which they could manipulate for the rights to their oil. A good example of a democracy was the Democraticaly elected government of Iran, which the CIA overthrew in the 1950's when the US installed the Shaw of Iran (read American puppet) European governments did the same to many of the African countries to exploit them for their natural resources.

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Re: Why is Israel a stable democracy and the Arab states aren't? [Re: JuanMatus]
    #3166079 - 09/22/04 05:46 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

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The So called Arab States are constructs of the British and the US who carved the middle east into minor states which they could manipulate for the rights to their oil.



Name one Arab state which the US had a hand in "carving out."


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Re: Why is Israel a stable democracy and the Arab states aren't? [Re: JuanMatus]
    #3166892 - 09/22/04 08:46 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)


The USA gives aid equivalent to about one million dollars per Jew in
Israel.

There are roughly 6 million Jews in Israel I do believe. 6 million
times 1 million = 6 trillion dollars. The U.S. federal government
spends about 2 trillion per year on its ENTIRE budget. Your figures
are wrong.

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Re: Why is Israel a stable democracy and the Arab states aren't? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3166948 - 09/22/04 08:57 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

"Facts? We don' need no steenkin' facts!"


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Re: Why is Israel a stable democracy and the Arab states aren't? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3166960 - 09/22/04 08:59 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Why is Israel a stable democracy and the Arab states are not?

Because Jews work. Arabs seethe.

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Re: Why is Israel a stable democracy and the Arab states aren't? [Re: Phred]
    #3167014 - 09/22/04 09:06 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Because Arab countries are poor and Israel gets its fiscal backbone from non-Jews. Keep trying.


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Re: Why is Israel a stable democracy and the Arab states aren't? [Re: Zahid]
    #3167036 - 09/22/04 09:10 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)


Because they don't observe Shariah and abuse it instead.

So...if the U.S. completely removed itself from any involvement in
the Middle East(no money to Israel, no money to Arab regimes, no
troops in any Middle Eastern country), would the Middle East magically
turn into a paradise? What would happen? Would Shariah all of a
sudden be followed correctly and everybody would be happy? Would
the dictators still stay in power? Would the old dictators be
overthrown only to be replaced with new ones? Seriously, what
do you think would happen? Also, if the U.S. completely removed
itself from the Middle East, would Muslims still hate us?

The following of Shariah is not a necessity in ensuring
freedom. There are many democratic and prosperous countries
around the world that are not ruled by Shariah. Is "correct" Shariah
something that is needed in the Middle East? If it is
not existent or not followed correctly will Arab countries continue to
flounder?

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Re: Why is Israel a stable democracy and the Arab states aren't? [Re: Zahid]
    #3167047 - 09/22/04 09:12 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)


Because Arab countries are poor

Sitting on top of the world's largest collection of oil..and
pumping and selling millions of barrels a day is not what I
would call poverty.

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Re: Why is Israel a stable democracy and the Arab states aren't? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3167065 - 09/22/04 09:13 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

RandalFlagg said:

Because Arab countries are poor

Sitting on top of the world's largest collection of oil..and
pumping and selling millions of barrels a day is not what I
would call poverty.



Relying on a single export is not how a country becomes prosperous, no matter how valuable that export is.


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Re: Why is Israel a stable democracy and the Arab states aren't? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3167113 - 09/22/04 09:20 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Without Western intervention, dictatorships would gradually fall to Islamic revolutions.


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Re: Why is Israel a stable democracy and the Arab states aren't? [Re: silversoul7]
    #3167117 - 09/22/04 09:21 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)


Relying on a single export is not how a country becomes prosperous,
no matter how valuable that export is

Well, it's not my fault if they haven't figured out how to diversify
their economies.

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Re: Why is Israel a stable democracy and the Arab states aren't? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3167127 - 09/22/04 09:22 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

RandalFlagg said:

Relying on a single export is not how a country becomes prosperous,
no matter how valuable that export is

Well, it's not my fault if they haven't figured out how to diversify
their economies.



Nor did I say it was. I was merely explaining why having oil does not make a country rich.


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Re: Why is Israel a stable democracy and the Arab states aren't? [Re: Zahid]
    #3167131 - 09/22/04 09:23 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

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Zahid said:
Without Western intervention, dictatorships would gradually fall to Islamic revolutions.



You mean that current dictatorships would be traded for new dictatorships.


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Re: Why is Israel a stable democracy and the Arab states aren't? [Re: Zahid]
    #3167143 - 09/22/04 09:26 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)


Without Western intervention, dictatorships would gradually fall to
Islamic revolutions.

Why hasn't Syria or Lebanon(countries the U.S. gives no money to)
fallen to Islamic revolutions? How would Iran's Islamic revolution
be fixed? What is to stop Islamic revolutions from ending up as
fucked up as Iran's? What is to stop the perpetual Arab strongmen
and thugs from trying to take power? Is it possible that during
the fall of the dictatorships, there would be a lot of chaos, death,
and jockeying for power?

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Re: Why is Israel a stable democracy and the Arab states aren't? [Re: Zahid]
    #3167155 - 09/22/04 09:28 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Also...you didn't answer this question:

If the U.S. completely removed itself from the Middle East, would
Muslims still hate us?

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Re: Why is Israel a stable democracy and the Arab states aren't? [Re: Evolving]
    #3167163 - 09/22/04 09:29 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

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Evolving said:
Quote:

Zahid said:
Without Western intervention, dictatorships would gradually fall to Islamic revolutions.



You mean that current dictatorships would be traded for new dictatorships.




Do you consider Khilafah a dictatorship? Do you consider the great Muslim empires of centuries past as nothing but dictatorships? Us Muslims regard Khilafah as sacred. Under Khilafah, Muslims get a social sense that Allah is nearer to us and he taking care of us under the justice of Khilafah. Under Khilafah Muslims are able to focus on our complete submission and slavery to Allah. Islamic Law is Sacred to Muslims.


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Re: Why is Israel a stable democracy and the Arab states aren't? [Re: Zahid]
    #3167194 - 09/22/04 09:34 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Zahid writes:

Islamic Law is Sacred to Muslims.

And there, in a nutshell, is the answer to the question posed in the first post of the thread. Islamic law is sacred. Individual freedom means bupkes. Submission to Allah is all.

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