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What have christians contributed to modern society?
    #3164639 - 09/22/04 12:14 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

As a group, what have they contributed?


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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: trendal]
    #3164649 - 09/22/04 12:16 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: trendal]
    #3164651 - 09/22/04 12:16 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

They've caused death, bigotry, racism, selfrightousness and hypocrisy.  But just like all religions, the message is disrupted by the radicals in each.

original thread BTW  :thumbup:


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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: trendal]
    #3164708 - 09/22/04 12:27 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Uh, everything? It's so idiotic a question as to be hard to answer. Where should we start? The Wright brothers giving us flight? Jefferson & Co giving us the USA and the Constitution? Damn near everything, really.

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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: retread]
    #3164731 - 09/22/04 12:32 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Just because somebody is a Christian, doesn't mean that a discovery that they make should be contributed to Christians. Give me examples of something that a Christian contributed that they would not have found or discovered or done if they had not been a Christian...

The work of Mother Teresa with the poor is a good example.


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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: trendal]
    #3164738 - 09/22/04 12:34 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

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trendal said:
As a group, what have they contributed?




I'm asking: what have "Christians" contributed, as Christians.


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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: Seuss]
    #3164742 - 09/22/04 12:35 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

:thumbup:


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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3164757 - 09/22/04 12:39 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

There are good radicals and bad radicals. Some good things Christians offer are charity and they help people straiten thier lives out from bad situtions (drug addictions, divorce, etc.). While Christians have made alot of bad things happen, they have made good things as well.

We must remember that alot of bad actions were made by bad people interpereting the bible in a manipulative way. Churches look at Christians as sheep and the Christian thinks that they are sheep as well. This is unhealthy and why I do not consider myself a normal "Christian." I am no sheep.

Jesus taught love and acceptance, not "death, bigotry, racism, selfrightousness and hypocrisy" as Innvertigo said. Although the Bible has been twisted by evil people with evil agendas who have succeded and given Christians a bad reputation; Jesus did not teach these things.

A true Christian will pray for thier enemy rather than request God strike them down with wrath. In this way the enemy's [aggression or whatever] is nuetralized with unconditional love and forgiveness. Jesus would be proud to see a person praying for thier enemies. I really think that modern Christianity is a far cry from what Jesus taught durring his life and there are many who bear a cross, yet are simply sheep. They vote for what the church wants and think like the church wants and it is pretty discusting to me.

In conclusion; Jesus taught love, life, kindness, peace, joy, temperance, patience, meekness, goodness, forgiveness tolerance and faith. Jesus did not intend for evil people to do evil things under his name and teachings.


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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: trendal]
    #3164758 - 09/22/04 12:39 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

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I'm asking: what have "Christians" contributed, as Christians.




Christmas?


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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3164778 - 09/22/04 12:44 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

beat me to it, however I was going to say Santa

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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: trendal]
    #3164798 - 09/22/04 12:48 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Isn't the American Red Cross a Christian foundation? I don't know for sure so spare me.

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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: Stein]
    #3164814 - 09/22/04 12:51 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

so are the Purple Heart and Salvation army organization I believe.


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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3164816 - 09/22/04 12:51 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Christmas essentially started almost 2000 years ago, we're looking for modern day contributions remember?


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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: Stein]
    #3164821 - 09/22/04 12:53 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Our American holidays are something like Christianity laced with paganism. While the bible says to give with a cheerful heart, it says nothing about Christmas, Easter, Thanksgiving or Halloween.

In fact Christmas (and other holidays) have been morphed into marketting schemes anyways so they are now secular and more ecconomically oriented rather than religious at all.

That's my stance on holidays.


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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3164823 - 09/22/04 12:53 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

So what you're saying is that Christians invented Foundations meant to help people and not blow them up?

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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: trendal]
    #3164825 - 09/22/04 12:53 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

There's World Vision


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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: MAGnum]
    #3164832 - 09/22/04 12:54 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

I'd have to agree with you on that.

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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: blink]
    #3164840 - 09/22/04 12:57 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

There's also the IRA.


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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: Stein]
    #3164859 - 09/22/04 01:04 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

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So what you're saying is that Christians invented Foundations meant to help people and not blow them up?




ha...yep.

you see they like to help others, in theory.


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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3164867 - 09/22/04 01:06 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Well I think this threads question was anwered, better lock her up and concentrate on that other one.

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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: retread]
    #3164868 - 09/22/04 01:06 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

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Uh, everything? It's so idiotic a question as to be hard to answer. Where should we start? The Wright brothers giving us flight? Jefferson & Co giving us the USA and the Constitution? Damn near everything, really.




So i guess we can give credit to Arabs for many things too. Let's see , where should we start.

THe Middle East had towns, libraries, and began written history while the west was still in stone age tribes. The city of Babylon flourished for 2 thousand years, know of another city that accomplished such a feat? The first legal code that was written where the strong should not oppress the weak came out of Mesopotamia. Bahgdad was built around the same time that Islam rose. The coined the first rhymed poetry, explored geometry, and created our number system.

During Europe's dark age, Arab scholars calculated the circumference of the Earth. 600 years later, the church conceded that it was not flat.

Then the west somehow has a social evolution that was far quicker than other civilizations in terms of technology and warfare. Out of this spawned the Crusades. Next major change.. WWI, the fall of the Ottoman empire and the begining of Western intervention in its modern form. Under a Leauge of Nations mandate.. the lands got divided by French and British rule. We break up countries simply by drawing lines in the sand, later we create Isreal, who had no business there to begin with. What was done to them in the past was a tragedy, but the fix was a 1000fold problem waiting to be created.

The rise in the oil industry writes the rest of history. We feed waring nations weaponry to both sides. We issue pre-emptive strikes against nations who have done nothing to us. We set the stage, then we ensure a level of hostility that will benefit us..and then we blame them? And you have the audacity to point your finger at them? their society? their sociological evolution? An area that was once far superior to us.. and due to military intervention for land, religion, and economics.. we have raped and destroyed again and again and again.

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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: DigitalDuality]
    #3164921 - 09/22/04 01:20 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

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THe Middle East had towns, libraries, and began written history while the west was still in stone age tribes. The city of Babylon flourished for 2 thousand years, know of another city that accomplished such a feat?




Did you forget about the Azteks and Mayans? they built pyramids the same age if not older than the Egyptians.

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and created our number system.




The mayans are credited with inventing the number "zero" (i believe)

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the lands got divided by French and British rule. We break up countries simply by drawing lines in the sand, later we create Isreal, who had no business there to begin with.




I thought it was americas's fault? The Isreallites have just as much right to be there as the Kurds or sunies.


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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: retread]
    #3164941 - 09/22/04 01:25 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

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Uh, everything? It's so idiotic a question as to be hard to answer. Where should we start? The Wright brothers giving us flight? Jefferson & Co giving us the USA and the Constitution? Damn near everything, really.



Actually, Jefferson was a Deist, not a Christian.


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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3164942 - 09/22/04 01:25 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

The mayans are credited with inventing the number "zero" (i believe)

No, that was the Arabs. The Babylonians invented a symbol to represent nothing about 200-300 BCE.


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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: Seuss]
    #3164954 - 09/22/04 01:27 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

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Just because somebody is a Christian, doesn't mean that a discovery that they make should be contributed to Christians. Give me examples of something that a Christian contributed that they would not have found or discovered or done if they had not been a Christian...

The work of Mother Teresa with the poor is a good example.




Given this, if alot of negatives have come out of it due to hypocrisy then it was NOT done out of christianity. If anything good comes out of TRUE christianity then it is only going to be good based on the teachings of the bible... of which in summation is love


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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: trendal]
    #3164961 - 09/22/04 01:29 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Correct me if Im wrong but isn't this thread about christians? So, when we point out stuff they did and organizations they created to help others you guys quickly change the subject and talk about arabs who can count to zero.

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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: trendal]
    #3164966 - 09/22/04 01:30 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

I was making a comparisson between the west and Mid East, excuse me leaving out Central/South america. When writing about the longevity of Babylon, i was comparing to western cities.

Israel l was created in 1948. If Isreal has a right to be there, then maybe all settlers ancestors should be welcome back to Europe no? Maybe all blacks in America should be welcome back to Africa is they so chose. Maybe we should hand back this land to Native Americans? The fact is, the damage was done.. there was no fix. We didn't carry on with life, we tried to fix the past.. which reeks the same attitude taken among slave reparations here in the states.

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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: Stein]
    #3164974 - 09/22/04 01:31 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

I was correcting something Innvertigo said. If I disagree with something you post you'll know about it, don't worry :wink:


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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3164982 - 09/22/04 01:33 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

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I'm asking: what have "Christians" contributed, as Christians.




Christmas?




Oh.. the Christian holiday where they changed the date in order to match the date of pagan holidays for convert purposes?

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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: trendal]
    #3164984 - 09/22/04 01:33 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Sorry it wasn't the arabs, they didn't invent the number system. It was discovered by the Indians and Mayans.

http://web.ask.com/web?q=who+invented+the+number+zero%3F&qsrc=0&o=0

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/gen99/gen99535.htm


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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: DigitalDuality]
    #3164995 - 09/22/04 01:35 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

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Oh.. the Christian holiday where they changed the date in order to match the date of pagan holidays for convert purposes?




hey, he never asked wether or not it was a good idea.


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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3165006 - 09/22/04 01:37 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Gonna have to disagree

http://www.andrews.edu/~calkins/math/biograph/biozero.htm
http://www.seekonk.k12.ma.us/WebQuests/MesopotamiaWQ.html
Mesopotamia was a civilization full of many creations. The people of Mesopotamia developed a mathematical system based on the number 60. Other accomplishments included the creation of the first calendar and the worlds first clock: the sundial. Evidence of their mathematical systems can still be found today such as the Arabic decimal system, 60 minute hour, and 360 degrees that make up a circle.


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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3165014 - 09/22/04 01:40 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

I didn't say anything about the number system...I said that the Babylonians were the first to create a symbol for zero (nothing).

The Indians had a concept of 0 long before the Babylonians, but they just used a blank space to represent 'nothing'. As I said, the Babylonians started using a symbol to represent nothing around 200-300 BCE, which the Indians then adopted and which turned into our present day symbol: 0.

http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/59074.html


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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: DigitalDuality]
    #3165029 - 09/22/04 01:43 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

that doesn't mean that they didn't discover it themselves. There were absolutly no contact between the Mayans and the arabs, so saying that we wouldn't have the number system without the arabs is not true. The mayans matches the arabs in just about all aspects of mathematics and engineering (imho), wether they did it first is hard to tell since the Mayans and Azteks weren't discovered by the East for thousands of years after many of these discoveries.


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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: DigitalDuality]
    #3165045 - 09/22/04 01:45 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

I agree with Digital. The arabs were very important to our way of life today.


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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3165053 - 09/22/04 01:47 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

So far I haven't seen anyone say that we "wouldn't have the number system" without the Arabs, except for you. Just a lot of people saying that they WERE, in fact, responsible for the numbers THAT WE DO USE NOW.

Yes, the Mayans came up with their own number system and mathematics independantly. What's your point?


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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: MAGnum]
    #3165060 - 09/22/04 01:48 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Oh, there is absolutly no doubt that they contributed (past tense) to society before they created terrorism as a way to get their points across. Since then they have digressed into a savage culture (the extremists who run it).


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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3165072 - 09/22/04 01:49 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

before they created terrorism as a way to get their points across.

Can I see some evidence that Arabs/Muslims created terrorism?


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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: trendal]
    #3165089 - 09/22/04 01:54 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

turn on your TV. Them fuckers are good.


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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3165127 - 09/22/04 02:06 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

and the West or 'christians' created machine guns, nukes and mass warfare. On a deathcount basis, it isn't even a comparison. Hell, even in iraq the comparison of deathcounts isn't a comparison.

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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3165140 - 09/22/04 02:09 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Your own country was founded on terrorism. Remember the British? God, you're so unversed. Be more like pinky - do your research, then post.


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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: Tao]
    #3165148 - 09/22/04 02:12 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

I must have missed the meetings when the christians got together for make bombs....bummer.

wow the west invented mass warfare? you mean the wars thousands of years ago were fought one on one?


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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: trendal]
    #3165175 - 09/22/04 02:19 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

But i hope you didn't miss the meeting where the Vatican turned a blind eye to the Holocaust.

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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: DigitalDuality]
    #3165183 - 09/22/04 02:20 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Don't forget aboot the child molestations, that was a bright day in Catholocism.


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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: DigitalDuality]
    #3165192 - 09/22/04 02:24 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, the Vatican should have broken out there tanks and fighter jets and homicide bombers to put a stop to that.

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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: Stein]
    #3165203 - 09/22/04 02:26 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

you see if you kill someone for your beliefs it's a good thing and people tend to have sypathy for you and your cause.


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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: Stein]
    #3165219 - 09/22/04 02:28 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

They seem to publicly downcry every other tragedy in the world. But oh yeah.. at the time they didn't like Jews too much did they? So i guess it wasn't a tragedy to them.

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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: trendal]
    #3165226 - 09/22/04 02:29 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Under the banner of serving God,,,
I guess christians have contributed many many artistic and architectural advances over the centuries.
They also burned a lot of ugly chicks at the stake.

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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3165229 - 09/22/04 02:30 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

but if you're a priest and jackoff on an alter boys back then they condemn you...bosh flim shaw religion is a such a scam.

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    #3165258 - 09/22/04 02:38 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

ha ha....jackoff bad / homocide good!!


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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: ld50negative1]
    #3166749 - 09/22/04 08:17 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

If anything good comes out of TRUE christianity then it is only going to be good based on the teachings of the bible... of which in summation is love

The only love in the Bible that I can find is in the actions and teachings of Jesus as described in the four Gospels: Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.

Much of the rest of the Bible is full of hatred, condemnation, intolerance, revenge, and bigotry on the part of God as well as people. It's also got some great descriptions of God inflicting pain, suffering, pestilences, swarms, diseases, and assorted other nastiness on entire populations indiscriminately.

Noah's flood supposedly killed by drowning not only those who 'deserved' so horrible a death, but also innocent children.

The death penalty (the anti-love if ever there was one), is required punishment for numerous transgressions. Most executions are to be carried out by stoning but a few require burning alive. In some cases, God performs the execution himself; Lot's wife, for example, when she looked the wrong way.

Premarital sex is also cause for execution by stoning as is prostitution and adultery. See Leviticus and Deuteronomy.

A direct example of the (lack of) love in the Bible:

Genesis 9:5-6 "And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand an accounting from every animal. And from each man, too, I will demand an accounting for the life of his fellow man. Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed."


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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: DigitalDuality]
    #3166771 - 09/22/04 08:22 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

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So i guess we can give credit to Arabs for many things too. Let's see , where should we start.





Um, ok, I guess we could. I don't see how it would pertain to the topic at hand, perhaps if a thread existed called "What have arabs contributed to modern society", it would be a bit more appropriate. You certainly can't post this cloptrop in the thread about MUSLIMS, as these things existed before a horny camel fucked an ugly arab prostite and she shat out Mohammed.

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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: trendal]
    #3166782 - 09/22/04 08:24 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

As a group, what have they contributed?

What has theology in general contributed, though all of the following also applies to Christians specifically:

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We have already compared the benefits of theology and science. When the theologian governed the world, it was covered with huts and hovels for the many, palaces and cathedrals for the few. To nearly all the children of men, reading and writing were unknown arts. The poor were clad in rags and skins -- they devoured crusts, and gnawed bones.

The day of Science dawned, and the luxuries of a century ago are the necessities of today. Men in the middle ranks of life have more of the conveniences and elegancies than the princes and kings of the theological times. But above and over all this, is the development of mind. There is more of value in the brain of an average man of today -- of a master-mechanic, of a chemist, of a naturalist, of an inventor, than there was in the brain of the world four hundred years ago. These blessings did not fall from the skies. These benefits did not drop from the outstretched hands of priests. They were not found in cathedrals or behind altars -- neither were they searched for with holy candles. They were not discovered by the closed eyes of prayer, nor did they come in answer to superstitious supplication. They are the children of freedom, the gifts of reason, observation and experience -- and for them all, man is indebted to man. -- Robert Ingersoll
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3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: trendal]
    #3166790 - 09/22/04 08:26 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Great art.

I'm no christian, in fact I find their dogma to be far too uptight, but I still find their contribution to worldwide culture to be profound.

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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: Diploid]
    #3166791 - 09/22/04 08:26 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

:thumbup:


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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: retread]
    #3167580 - 09/22/04 10:29 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

you truly do have some built up tension and hatred towards various groups don't you?

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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3167592 - 09/22/04 10:31 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

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They've caused death, bigotry, racism, selfrightousness and hypocrisy.  But just like all religions, the message is disrupted by the radicals in each.

original thread BTW  :thumbup:




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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: trendal]
    #3167611 - 09/22/04 10:34 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

The christians of today are wolves in sheeps clothing. the illuminati has hi jackets the religion and now all americanized christians worship money hate and satan and dont even relise it

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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: retread]
    #3169266 - 09/23/04 09:04 AM (19 years, 7 months ago)

ummmm, i rather think that one could not characterize thomas jefferson as a christian...
maybe a deist, but not a christian...


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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: trendal]
    #3170634 - 09/23/04 03:50 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

I believe there was probably only 1 Christian ever. Christian church, like any other human organization, is but a huge miss.

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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: AhronZombi]
    #3170766 - 09/23/04 04:16 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

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The christians of today are wolves in sheeps clothing. the illuminati has hi jackets the religion and now all americanized christians worship money hate and satan and dont even relise it




Nicely put.  I cannot argue with such impeccable erudition.  You are truly all you can be.  I hope you relise it, because "you da man" :thumbup:


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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: trendal]
    #3170847 - 09/23/04 04:37 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

malt liquor was invented by christians.

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    #3170873 - 09/23/04 04:42 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

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malt liquor was invented by christians.




*runs out to become a born-again christian*


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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: MAGnum]
    #3171076 - 09/23/04 05:31 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

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There are good radicals and bad radicals. Some good things Christians offer are charity and they help people straiten thier lives out from bad situtions (drug addictions, divorce, etc.). While Christians have made alot of bad things happen, they have made good things as well.

We must remember that alot of bad actions were made by bad people interpereting the bible in a manipulative way. Churches look at Christians as sheep and the Christian thinks that they are sheep as well. This is unhealthy and why I do not consider myself a normal "Christian." I am no sheep.

Jesus taught love and acceptance, not "death, bigotry, racism, selfrightousness and hypocrisy" as Innvertigo said. Although the Bible has been twisted by evil people with evil agendas who have succeded and given Christians a bad reputation; Jesus did not teach these things.

A true Christian will pray for thier enemy rather than request God strike them down with wrath. In this way the enemy's [aggression or whatever] is nuetralized with unconditional love and forgiveness. Jesus would be proud to see a person praying for thier enemies. I really think that modern Christianity is a far cry from what Jesus taught durring his life and there are many who bear a cross, yet are simply sheep. They vote for what the church wants and think like the church wants and it is pretty discusting to me.

In conclusion; Jesus taught love, life, kindness, peace, joy, temperance, patience, meekness, goodness, forgiveness tolerance and faith. Jesus did not intend for evil people to do evil things under his name and teachings.




Heheheh, Friedrich Nietzsche would argue that the above mententend "Good" things are what was degrading humanity as a whole and on the whole were bad things!

To quote from Friedrich Nietzsche's book "Also sprach Zarathustra" (Eng: Beyond Good and Evil)
In english because I don't think many on here read German,

among the principal causes which have kept the type of
"man" upon a lower level--they have
preserved too much THAT WHICH SHOULD HAVE PERISHED. One has to
thank them for invaluable services; and who is sufficiently rich
in gratitude not to feel poor at the contemplation of all that
the "spiritual men" of Christianity have done for Europe
hitherto! But when they had given comfort to the sufferers,
courage to the oppressed and despairing, a staff and support to
the helpless, and when they had allured from society into
convents and spiritual penitentiaries the broken-hearted and
distracted: what else had they to do in order to work
systematically in that fashion, and with a good conscience, for
the preservation of all the sick and suffering, which means, in
deed and in truth, to work for the DETERIORATION OF THE EUROPEAN
RACE? To REVERSE all estimates of value--THAT is what they had to
do! And to shatter the strong, to spoil great hopes, to cast
suspicion on the delight in beauty, to break down everything
autonomous, manly, conquering, and imperious--all instincts which
are natural to the highest and most successful type of "man"--
into uncertainty, distress of conscience, and self-destruction;
forsooth, to invert all love of the earthly and of supremacy over
the earth, into hatred of the earth and earthly things--THAT is
the task the Church imposed on itself, and was obliged to impose,
until, according to its standard of value, "unworldliness,"
"unsensuousness," and "higher man" fused into one sentiment.


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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: trendal]
    #3171096 - 09/23/04 05:36 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

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malt liquor was invented by christians.




*runs out to become a born-again christian*




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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: ]
    #3171141 - 09/23/04 05:44 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

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malt liquor was invented by christians.




WHAT?

Malt Liquor is beer.

Beer was invented by the Egyptians around 4000 BC.

The Egyptians are credited with the invention of sandals, the folding chair, beer, wine, mead, and more recently writing (Due to recent discoveries that show there invention of writing predated the Sumerians and the Mesopotamians.)

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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: trendal]
    #3171168 - 09/23/04 05:51 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

The moralizing tripe of Tolkien and C.S. Lewis. :rolleyes:

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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: trendal]
    #3172130 - 09/23/04 08:51 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

reggae?

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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: ]
    #3172291 - 09/23/04 09:15 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Black Jesus is a homeless evangelical street preaching prophet. He has devoted his life to delivering the Lord's blessed word to the social pariahs of Minneapolis, MN's lower east side. In the projects, amidst prostitutes, crack heads, drunks, pimps, and thieves, wearing his signature white terry-cloth robe, Leroy Pontrell Perkins shares his special brand of salvation.



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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: trendal]
    #3172346 - 09/23/04 09:22 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

i think christians and christ brought allot to society. but the people of modern day america arent christians they are unknowing slaves to a religion hijacked by satan. worshiping the devil w/o even knowing it, they think they follow jesus

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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: AhronZombi]
    #3173838 - 09/24/04 05:27 AM (19 years, 7 months ago)

These what have....contributed threads are really cracking me up!

Great stuff.

Hey - it seems that though religions have been important landmarks in human evolution, and though their ethos may be 'good'. In practice and at large they are basically all repressive, oppressive and excuses for forming (supposedly) 'divinely ordaned' human hierarchical systems. (Convenient for the top dogs!)

Bullshit in other words.

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the people of modern day america arent christians they are unknowing slaves to a religion hijacked by satan. worshiping the devil w/o even knowing it, they think they follow jesus




That sounds like monothestic religion all over. All monotheistic religions.

Who needs religion? Jesus wasn't a 'Christian', he was himself.
The lesson from Jesus is - don't listen to those knobheads with the big book, listen to your soul, walk out the door.

The Bible's a pretty good yarn though I must say, especially if you like a good violent story where people throw their daughters out to be raped and killed by the mob at the whim of God's angels, endless warring etc

Jesus' attempt to change that tack, seems to (after his life - if he really did live) fallen flat on its face. People in general just love rules and patriarchal hierarchies I guess.

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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: trendal] * 1
    #24147760 - 03/08/17 11:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Almost the entirely of western Civilization. Kinda of a stupid question. Christians have garrenteed rights for all, how is Islam doing currently with women's rights? Gay rights? Etc. Care to comment? I'd love to hear it.

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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: AhronZombi]
    #24147762 - 03/08/17 11:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Nailed it. The bible and Christians are great. But 90% of Christians I know haven't read the Bible so how would they know either way. Satan energy attacks ignorant people, and ignorant people are the only ones believing Christians oppress them by being against transsexual nutjobs sharing bathrooms with little girls. Haha

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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: Syzygy_420]
    #24147770 - 03/08/17 11:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Damn this thread is old as fuck how'd you find it ?? :oldthread:


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    #24173279 - 03/18/17 09:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Judao-Christian culture contributed modern society to modern society, there wouldn't be "modern society" if it weren't for them

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    #24173472 - 03/18/17 10:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Modern political philosophy already existed in Ancient Greece, and we would have had a man on the Moon about a thousand years ago had the braindead slave culture of Abrahamism never infected Europe.

Christians have contributed less than nothing - the rest of us have had to drag them, kicking and screaming, into modernity.


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    #24173481 - 03/18/17 10:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: viktor]
    #24173728 - 03/19/17 12:18 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Modern political philosophy already existed in Ancient Greece, and we would have had a man on the Moon about a thousand years ago had the braindead slave culture of Abrahamism never infected Europe.

Christians have contributed less than nothing - the rest of us have had to drag them, kicking and screaming, into modernity.




Seems to me more like Christianity created the best environment historically speaking for innovation to occur. It also held the West's culture and society together. That might be changing now though I guess. Too many people seem to be embracing secularism and the government (globalism) as their new "God" or "religion."

Benjamin Franklin, Signer of the Declaration of Independence "[O]nly a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters."

"Whereas true religion and good morals are the only solid foundations of public liberty and happiness . . . it is hereby earnestly recommended to the several States to take the most effectual measures for the encouragement thereof." Continental Congress, 1778


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From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to selfishness;
From selfishness to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: Rainman420]
    #24173937 - 03/19/17 04:53 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

What does "true religion" have to do with Christianity?


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