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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: retread]
    #3164868 - 09/22/04 01:06 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

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Uh, everything? It's so idiotic a question as to be hard to answer. Where should we start? The Wright brothers giving us flight? Jefferson & Co giving us the USA and the Constitution? Damn near everything, really.




So i guess we can give credit to Arabs for many things too. Let's see , where should we start.

THe Middle East had towns, libraries, and began written history while the west was still in stone age tribes. The city of Babylon flourished for 2 thousand years, know of another city that accomplished such a feat? The first legal code that was written where the strong should not oppress the weak came out of Mesopotamia. Bahgdad was built around the same time that Islam rose. The coined the first rhymed poetry, explored geometry, and created our number system.

During Europe's dark age, Arab scholars calculated the circumference of the Earth. 600 years later, the church conceded that it was not flat.

Then the west somehow has a social evolution that was far quicker than other civilizations in terms of technology and warfare. Out of this spawned the Crusades. Next major change.. WWI, the fall of the Ottoman empire and the begining of Western intervention in its modern form. Under a Leauge of Nations mandate.. the lands got divided by French and British rule. We break up countries simply by drawing lines in the sand, later we create Isreal, who had no business there to begin with. What was done to them in the past was a tragedy, but the fix was a 1000fold problem waiting to be created.

The rise in the oil industry writes the rest of history. We feed waring nations weaponry to both sides. We issue pre-emptive strikes against nations who have done nothing to us. We set the stage, then we ensure a level of hostility that will benefit us..and then we blame them? And you have the audacity to point your finger at them? their society? their sociological evolution? An area that was once far superior to us.. and due to military intervention for land, religion, and economics.. we have raped and destroyed again and again and again.

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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: DigitalDuality]
    #3164921 - 09/22/04 01:20 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

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THe Middle East had towns, libraries, and began written history while the west was still in stone age tribes. The city of Babylon flourished for 2 thousand years, know of another city that accomplished such a feat?




Did you forget about the Azteks and Mayans? they built pyramids the same age if not older than the Egyptians.

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and created our number system.




The mayans are credited with inventing the number "zero" (i believe)

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the lands got divided by French and British rule. We break up countries simply by drawing lines in the sand, later we create Isreal, who had no business there to begin with.




I thought it was americas's fault? The Isreallites have just as much right to be there as the Kurds or sunies.


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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: retread]
    #3164941 - 09/22/04 01:25 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

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Uh, everything? It's so idiotic a question as to be hard to answer. Where should we start? The Wright brothers giving us flight? Jefferson & Co giving us the USA and the Constitution? Damn near everything, really.



Actually, Jefferson was a Deist, not a Christian.


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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3164942 - 09/22/04 01:25 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

The mayans are credited with inventing the number "zero" (i believe)

No, that was the Arabs. The Babylonians invented a symbol to represent nothing about 200-300 BCE.


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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: Seuss]
    #3164954 - 09/22/04 01:27 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

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Just because somebody is a Christian, doesn't mean that a discovery that they make should be contributed to Christians. Give me examples of something that a Christian contributed that they would not have found or discovered or done if they had not been a Christian...

The work of Mother Teresa with the poor is a good example.




Given this, if alot of negatives have come out of it due to hypocrisy then it was NOT done out of christianity. If anything good comes out of TRUE christianity then it is only going to be good based on the teachings of the bible... of which in summation is love


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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: trendal]
    #3164961 - 09/22/04 01:29 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Correct me if Im wrong but isn't this thread about christians? So, when we point out stuff they did and organizations they created to help others you guys quickly change the subject and talk about arabs who can count to zero.

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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: trendal]
    #3164966 - 09/22/04 01:30 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

I was making a comparisson between the west and Mid East, excuse me leaving out Central/South america. When writing about the longevity of Babylon, i was comparing to western cities.

Israel l was created in 1948. If Isreal has a right to be there, then maybe all settlers ancestors should be welcome back to Europe no? Maybe all blacks in America should be welcome back to Africa is they so chose. Maybe we should hand back this land to Native Americans? The fact is, the damage was done.. there was no fix. We didn't carry on with life, we tried to fix the past.. which reeks the same attitude taken among slave reparations here in the states.

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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: Stein]
    #3164974 - 09/22/04 01:31 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

I was correcting something Innvertigo said. If I disagree with something you post you'll know about it, don't worry :wink:


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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3164982 - 09/22/04 01:33 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

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I'm asking: what have "Christians" contributed, as Christians.




Christmas?




Oh.. the Christian holiday where they changed the date in order to match the date of pagan holidays for convert purposes?

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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: trendal]
    #3164984 - 09/22/04 01:33 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Sorry it wasn't the arabs, they didn't invent the number system. It was discovered by the Indians and Mayans.

http://web.ask.com/web?q=who+invented+the+number+zero%3F&qsrc=0&o=0

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/gen99/gen99535.htm


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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: DigitalDuality]
    #3164995 - 09/22/04 01:35 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

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Oh.. the Christian holiday where they changed the date in order to match the date of pagan holidays for convert purposes?




hey, he never asked wether or not it was a good idea.


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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3165006 - 09/22/04 01:37 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Gonna have to disagree

http://www.andrews.edu/~calkins/math/biograph/biozero.htm
http://www.seekonk.k12.ma.us/WebQuests/MesopotamiaWQ.html
Mesopotamia was a civilization full of many creations. The people of Mesopotamia developed a mathematical system based on the number 60. Other accomplishments included the creation of the first calendar and the worlds first clock: the sundial. Evidence of their mathematical systems can still be found today such as the Arabic decimal system, 60 minute hour, and 360 degrees that make up a circle.


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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3165014 - 09/22/04 01:40 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

I didn't say anything about the number system...I said that the Babylonians were the first to create a symbol for zero (nothing).

The Indians had a concept of 0 long before the Babylonians, but they just used a blank space to represent 'nothing'. As I said, the Babylonians started using a symbol to represent nothing around 200-300 BCE, which the Indians then adopted and which turned into our present day symbol: 0.

http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/59074.html


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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: DigitalDuality]
    #3165029 - 09/22/04 01:43 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

that doesn't mean that they didn't discover it themselves. There were absolutly no contact between the Mayans and the arabs, so saying that we wouldn't have the number system without the arabs is not true. The mayans matches the arabs in just about all aspects of mathematics and engineering (imho), wether they did it first is hard to tell since the Mayans and Azteks weren't discovered by the East for thousands of years after many of these discoveries.


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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: DigitalDuality]
    #3165045 - 09/22/04 01:45 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

I agree with Digital. The arabs were very important to our way of life today.


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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3165053 - 09/22/04 01:47 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

So far I haven't seen anyone say that we "wouldn't have the number system" without the Arabs, except for you. Just a lot of people saying that they WERE, in fact, responsible for the numbers THAT WE DO USE NOW.

Yes, the Mayans came up with their own number system and mathematics independantly. What's your point?


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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: MAGnum]
    #3165060 - 09/22/04 01:48 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Oh, there is absolutly no doubt that they contributed (past tense) to society before they created terrorism as a way to get their points across. Since then they have digressed into a savage culture (the extremists who run it).


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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3165072 - 09/22/04 01:49 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

before they created terrorism as a way to get their points across.

Can I see some evidence that Arabs/Muslims created terrorism?


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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: trendal]
    #3165089 - 09/22/04 01:54 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

turn on your TV. Them fuckers are good.


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Re: What have christians contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3165127 - 09/22/04 02:06 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

and the West or 'christians' created machine guns, nukes and mass warfare. On a deathcount basis, it isn't even a comparison. Hell, even in iraq the comparison of deathcounts isn't a comparison.

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