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Invisibleafoaf
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the government is fucking inept
    #3164060 - 09/22/04 11:39 AM (13 years, 2 days ago)

WHAT GOOD IS A WATCH LIST IF IT'S NOT APPLIED BEFORE
THE FUCKING FLIGHT?!

This is what is wrong with our society, we've got inept people
running the beauracracies, we've got inept beauracracies and
we've got the notion that throwing more money at these defunct
organizations will somehow make them better.

good thing Cat Stevens wasn't really a terrorist

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/09/22/plane.diverted.stevens/index.html

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Singer Yusuf Islam, formerly known as Cat Stevens, was taken off a diverted United Air Lines flight from London to Washington after his Muslim name turned up on a "watch list" designed to keep terrorists from boarding flights, a U.S. Transportation Security Administration spokesman has said.

Islam, 56, took that name when he became a Muslim in the 1970s.

An FBI spokeswoman told CNN the singer's name was only matched to the watch list after the plane had departed.

Islam, a British citizen, was held in Bangor, Maine after Flight 919 was ordered to land there Tuesday.

He will be deported back to London on Wednesday, according to the TSA.

A government official said Islam was on the watch list because of "known associations and financial support to organizations believed to be aiding terrorism."

According to U.S. officials, he is an active supporter of Muslim charities.

One administration official said the singer had been in the United States as recently as May and was a recent addition to the list.

The rest of the passengers were screened and continued on to Washington's Dulles International Airport after Islam was taken off the flight.

"They said, Get ready to land,' and then they said 'Welcome to Bangor.' And we though they were joking," one woman passenger said.

"We had no idea we'd been diverted."

The Boeing 747 had about 280 passengers and crew on board when it took off from London's Heathrow Airport, United spokesman Jeff Green said.

Federal agents met the plane in Bangor, where it was on the ground for about four hours before being allowed to depart, Green said.

It landed at Dulles nearly six hours behind schedule.

According to a TSA spokesman, Islam made it through pre-screening by United and was given a boarding pass.

But after the flight took off, the U.S. Customs and Border Protection agency discovered his name was on a watch list.

The TSA was notified and requested that the plane be diverted to the nearest airport.

As Cat Stevens, Islam had a string of folk-rock hits in the 1960s and early 1970s, including "Peace Train," "Morning Has Broken" and "Wild World."

He dropped out of the music business for more than a decade after converting to Islam but returned to the recording studio periodically during the 1990s.


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Re: the government is fucking inept [Re: afoaf]
    #3164114 - 09/22/04 12:04 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

We're about as safe today as we were on 9/10/01.


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Re: the government is fucking inept [Re: Evolving]
    #3164209 - 09/22/04 12:28 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

well, i think we are a bit safer in that hijackers will have a tough time convincing passengers that they'll be alright if they just sit in their seats quietly. Any attempt at hijacking will be met with cabin resistance just like in PA.


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Re: the government is fucking inept [Re: Tao]
    #3164240 - 09/22/04 12:38 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

Good point.


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Re: the government is fucking inept [Re: Tao]
    #3164367 - 09/22/04 01:15 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

you'd sure hope so...


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Re: the government is fucking inept [Re: afoaf]
    #3164407 - 09/22/04 01:24 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

Man.. the cat is in the cradle and the silver spoon.


Cat Stevens did that song, right?


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Re: the government is fucking inept [Re: afoaf]
    #3165347 - 09/22/04 05:07 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

Well you're right. The government is inept.

However, you'll notice he boarded the flight in another country. Your subject should read the government of Great Britan country is inept. Or to be even more accurate.... the screeners there are.


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Re: the government is fucking inept [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #3165680 - 09/22/04 06:23 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

aha!

you're right.

I'm sorry.

but...still, we don't check the inbound
manifests until their already on their
way?


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Re: the government is fucking inept [Re: afoaf]
    #3165769 - 09/22/04 06:42 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

With the number of inbound flights, and the ineptitude of federal agencies..... it's a wonder it gets done at all.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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    #3165804 - 09/22/04 06:51 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)



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Re: the government is fucking inept [Re: ]
    #3165815 - 09/22/04 06:54 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

Did you ever consider reading the article?

A government official said Islam was on the watch list because of "known associations and financial support to organizations believed to be aiding terrorism."


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: the government is fucking inept [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #3165819 - 09/22/04 06:55 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

He's a closet jihadi.


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Re: the government is fucking inept [Re: retread]
    #3166376 - 09/22/04 09:00 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

Quote:

retread said:
Man.. the cat is in the cradle and the silver spoon.


Cat Stevens did that song, right?




No, it's Harry Chapin.


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Re: the government is fucking inept [Re: afoaf]
    #3166661 - 09/22/04 10:00 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

I find it amazing that the online survey has 53% of the 17,000-some votes in favor of keeping him out of the US.  :nonono:


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Re: the government is fucking inept [Re: geokills]
    #3166685 - 09/22/04 10:04 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

Do you know why he is persona non grata in Israel? He gave tens of thousands of dollars to hamas. Do it if you want but you aint coming here or going there if you do.


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Re: the government is fucking inept [Re: zappaisgod]
    #3166903 - 09/22/04 10:48 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

directly to Hamas?


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Re: the government is fucking inept [Re: afoaf]
    #3166971 - 09/22/04 11:00 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

Yep. Sad but true.

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Re: the government is fucking inept [Re: Tao]
    #3183415 - 09/26/04 07:56 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Plugging one hole out of a near-limitless number of possible avenues of attack makes flying safer, but will do nothing to thwart terroism.


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Re: the government is fucking inept [Re: afoaf]
    #3183430 - 09/26/04 08:02 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I doubt that terrorists will try to hi-jack another passenger airplane because every American knows what can happen. After the people on the PA flight found out what happened in NY and the Pentagon, they overpowered the crazy fucks and forced them to crash the plane.


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Re: the government is fucking inept [Re: downforpot]
    #3183446 - 09/26/04 08:07 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

The U.S. is gradually slipping into the pre 9-11 mind set anyway.


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