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What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society?
#3163908 - 09/22/04 08:12 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well? A majority (and i only use the word majority becuase 99.99999999999999999999999% of terrorism is caused by these dosile people) of terrorism is perpetuated by, yep you guessed it, muslims doing it in the name of islam and allah. We know this, it's no surprise, but what is the point of this culture? While I don't hate muslims (the average muslim who holds the beliefs that "allah" supposedly teaches, which is a small minority.) I do dind it harder and harder to understand what their goal is as a culture. The one goal I know they have is the elimination of Jews and those that are allied with them (Zionists, infedels or what other key phrases that ignorant people use) for the mere reason they aren't them.
Aside from perfecting terror, killing and general unrest, what has the middle east contributed to modern day society? What inventions are they coming up with to provide it's people with an easier life? I honestly don't know. I know the culture of old came up with many inventions concerning math and science, astonomy etc. but I fail to see what they have done.
One last thing, what's up with all the dancing the muslims seem to do everytime they do something they perceive as good? I mean they're just jumping up and down...weird.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
#3163929 - 09/22/04 08:23 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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They invented the shoe bomb, although Im not sure it makes peoples lives easier, they did invent it I think.
You can't tell me that when you watch football or something that you don't jump up and down and wave your gun going lalallalallalalalalalalallalalalaa when a point is scored.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Stein]
#3163937 - 09/22/04 08:26 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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You can't tell me that when you watch football or something that you don't jump up and down and wave your gun going lalallalallalalalalalalallalalalaa when a point is scored.
not since 911..
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
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99.99999999999999999999999% of terrorism is caused by these dosile people
Depends how you define terrorism though Inny doesnt it? I would imagine the US have killed far more innocent civillians than all terrorists of any religous persuasion put together.
Terroism defined by dictionary.com "The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons."
As many people in the world view the Iraqi war as illegal that means the US have been involved in one of the bloodiest terrorist assaults ever known.
I wonder how much terrorism, in your sense of the definition, we would have seen if the US hadnt perpetuated so much "legal" terrorism?
Guess we will never know the answer to that one.
Im not too sure what contributions modern arabs have made to science etc but obvioulsy during their history they have contributed alot. whats your point here Inny anyway?
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One last thing, what's up with all the dancing the muslims seem to do everytime they do something they perceive as good? I mean they're just jumping up and down...weird.
Yeah its much more "cultured" to pump your fist in the air shouting U-S-A, U-S-A...
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: GazzBut]
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Depends how you define terrorism though Inny doesnt it?
Aristoltilian(sp) law: things are what they are. Don't try to avoid the topic.
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As many people in the world view the Iraqi war as illegal that means the US have been involved in one of the bloodiest terrorist assaults ever known. ....blah blah blah.....america is evil...blah, blah blah.
wrong, next. the rest of your babble will be ignored because it doesn't answer the question i'm asking.
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Im not too sure what contributions modern arabs have made to science etc but obvioulsy during their history they have contributed alot. whats your point here Inny anyway?
i'll take this as you can't find a thing they have contributed to society, i'm still open for input.
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Yeah its much more "cultured" to ...blah, blah, blah....USA USA
babble babble babble...
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
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Oh the irony....
Lets cut to the chase inny what lame ass xenophobic point are you trying to make here?
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: GazzBut]
#3164148 - 09/22/04 10:15 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lets cut to the chase inny what lame ass xenophobic point are you trying to make here?
no point, I just want to know what they have contributed to the advancement of man. What have they contributed?
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
#3164167 - 09/22/04 10:20 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oil?
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
#3164177 - 09/22/04 10:21 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well, if I'm not mistaken, they preserved the wisdom of the ancient Greeks while Europe was in the Dark Ages. I believe they also contributed many advancements in medical technology, creating some of the first hospitals. They meticulously copied and recopied manuscripts, and created paper(the pulp kind, not the papyrus kind of the ancient days). As for what they've done since the Renaissance, all I can think of is they figured out how to strap bombs to their chest and take as many civilians with them as possible.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Evolving]
#3164223 - 09/22/04 10:32 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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That would be a good one if they invented it, hell the West had to show them how to drill and refine it. Unfortunatly oil is a contribution by the dinosaurs.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: silversoul7]
#3164241 - 09/22/04 10:39 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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As for what they've done since the Renaissance, all I can think of is they figured out how to strap bombs to their chest and take as many civilians with them as possible.
correct, they can contribute the invention of the homocide bomber and the bomb jacket.
The middle east was the beginning of it all and there is no doubt that they have contributed to society back then but as the world becomes more civilized, they seem to be digressing.
so we should get this in perspective:
modern Contributions to man:
Dinosaurs: Oil Muslims: Homocide bombers, Shoe bombers, the bomb jacket and jihad.
Can anyone else come up with some?
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
#3164247 - 09/22/04 10:41 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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They came up with good clothing for ugly women, the burkha.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Evolving]
#3164254 - 09/22/04 10:45 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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True, but some of them are pretty hot...
modern Contributions to man:
Dinosaurs: Oil Muslims: Homocide bombers, Shoe bombers, the bomb jacket, jihad, the burkha.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
#3164261 - 09/22/04 10:46 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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"Homicide" Bombers? You watch too much Fox News.
Isn't any bomb that kills someone (as most bombs intend to do) a 'homicide bomb'? What distinguishes the bombs you're referring to is that they kill the detonator at the same time--hence the non-ridiculously-spinned term 'suicide' bombs.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
#3164270 - 09/22/04 10:49 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you replace 'islam/muslims' with ' 3rd World/Developing Nations' is the result any different?
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Tao]
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> If you replace 'islam/muslims' with ' 3rd World/Developing Nations' is the result any different?
Donno... I haven't seen too many nomadic african suicide bombers in the news... of course, if they don't have oil there is no reason why I would expect to see them on the news...
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Tao]
#3164283 - 09/22/04 10:52 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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"Homicide" Bombers? You watch too much Fox News.
If theye were to go into the middle of a large field and yell "allah akbar" and press the button then they would be suicide bombers, when their key purpose is to kill others then it is considered a homocide.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
#3164327 - 09/22/04 11:05 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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While I don't hate muslims (the average muslim who holds the beliefs that "allah" supposedly teaches, which is a small minority.)
WRONG! I work next door to a massive mosque which takes around 300 Muslims in for prayer 5 times a day and numerous others inbetween. These are mainstream Muslims (not the small minority). Often I hit the pavement as they are coming and/or going from their prayers and services. There they are, hundreds of them on the pavement, one can barely move. There I am, a non-muslim, trying to get through the midst of it. Are there any bombs? Is there any jostling? Does anyone push me or spit? NO There is much smiling and friendliness, the people are kind and curteous as they make way for me, these mainstream muslims are suprisingly normal, or would be to someone who lives in a frightened xenophobic Western community. Oh, maybe the shawar-ghemi's might be a bit too scary!...ooooo! They look like ghosts in those outfits and they speak in more then one language, how scary! The community I live in (a borough in the midst of a major city) is made up of probably 40-50% muslims, living side by side with Christians, Hindus and basically every faith including Pagans, Heathens and the Damned Faithless. We live well together. The multiculturality is dazzling and the community functions well. People get on well across the borders of faith. When the politicians began their rhetoric to divide us, I for a short time felt fear they would divide our community. Thankfully we are stronger than their forked tongues. We still live as one, we know none of this current war is about our differences of faith, we know it is to feed the greed of the politicians and their masters. Maybe you should get off your ass and buy a plane ticket and try experiencing the world first hand....take some valium, you might not be able to cope with different cultures too easy by the sounds of your rhetoric. Open your mind, you might suprise youself. Quote:
As many people in the world view the Iraqi war as illegal that means the US have been involved in one of the bloodiest terrorist assaults ever known. ....blah blah blah.....america is evil...blah, blah blah.
...hmmm...well you misquoted Gazz quite substantially, tagging on your own complex - and revealing an inadequacy to see in glorious technicolour rather than in an unreal propaganda fed black and white. Perhaps you should actually read other peoples posts instead of presupposing your own complex on them. He never said America is evil....In all effect though, you said that 99.99999999999999% of Muslims are evil killers. A bold statement, completely unsubstantiated by reality. Grow up and get real man. Why are you and so many paranoid Americans so wrapped up in your own self righteous shit. If we are not with you on foreign policy, it does not mean we are against you in the sense you make out. That is your complex - fear. Try thinking in more than 2 dimensions. It's easy if you just turn off, tune in and drop out. To move others toward freedom, you must first choose it yourself. Open your inner ears and eyes. Open your outer senses, really look. Forget your conditioning. We can all move forward. p.s. Q: How many muslims terrorised America before America started fucking with their homelands, conning oil away and installing dictators? A: None! Think about it..........
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Seuss]
#3164363 - 09/22/04 11:14 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Donno... I haven't seen too many nomadic african suicide bombers in the news...
That wasn't the question posed in the thread. the question was, " what have muslims/islam contributed?"
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society [Re: Innvertigo]
#3164364 - 09/22/04 11:14 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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didn't they invent our current numbering scheme as well as some mathematic principles some thousands of years ago?
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society [Re: afoaf]
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What have muslims or islam contributed to *modern* society
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
#3164396 - 09/22/04 11:21 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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"Homicide" Bombers? You watch too much Fox News.
If theye were to go into the middle of a large field and yell "allah akbar" and press the button then they would be suicide bombers, when their key purpose is to kill others then it is considered a homocide.
Yes but 'homicide bomber' is an idiotic redundant phrase created by fox spinsters in attempt to counter the hallowed and respected ( ) phrase 'suicide bomber'--'suicide' being an adjective to distinguish them from bombers who set off bombs remotely (the more common type of bomber). 'Homicide bombers' is akin to calling an animal a 'meat-eating carnivore'. It's inane.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Tao]
#3164412 - 09/22/04 11:26 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anything that isn't arab-coddling seems like a bad idea now, hm? It's quite possible to be a "suicide bomber", but not a homicide bomber. When your goal is to kill people, and your death is just another glorious benefit of following shithead Allah, it's a HOMICIDE bomb.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: retread]
#3164435 - 09/22/04 11:33 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anything that isn't arab-coddling seems like a bad idea now, hm? It's quite possible to be a "suicide bomber", but not a homicide bomber. When your goal is to kill people, and your death is just another glorious benefit of following shithead Allah, it's a HOMICIDE bomb.
Brilliant retort . Did you even bother to read what I wrote? I imagine not. 'Bomber' is fine, but 'homicide bomber' is fucking retarded spsinster garbage that insults the audience's intelligence level.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Tao]
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Do you think that a term for someone who kills a large group of people, as well as himself, would be "suicide" or "homicide"? Since the definition of what these fuck-for-brain,camelfuckers are trying to achieve is killing other people, homicide is the causal factor. It's great, in their sick camelfucking minds, that they are dying, but the point of it isn't to kill themselves, it's to kill others. "bombers" would be OK, but "suicide" bombers certainly isn't as apt as "homicide" bombers, is it?
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
#3164509 - 09/22/04 11:49 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Here's another one, they brought theocracies back in style.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Evolving]
#3164524 - 09/22/04 11:53 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: CJay]
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WRONG! I work next door to a massive mosque which takes around 300 Muslims in for prayer 5 times a day and numerous others inbetween. These are mainstream Muslims (not the small minority).
300 is not a massive mosque BTW. 300 whole muslims? you made this assesment after from 300 muslims out of the billion that are world wide. FYI, I live about 15 minutes from the largest concentration of arabs in the US (Dearborn, MI) are they living in the middle east? Mainstrem muslims live in the middle east. Quote:
There I am, a non-muslim, trying to get through the midst of it. Are there any bombs? Is there any jostling? Does anyone push me or spit?
what's your point? What have muslims contributed to society? Quote:
The community I live in (a borough in the midst of a major city) is made up of probably 40-50% muslims, living side by side with Christians, Hindus and basically every faith including Pagans, Heathens and the Damned Faithless.
they aren't in the Middle east, answer the question, what have they contributed to society? Quote:
...hmmm...well you misquoted Gazz quite substantially
No shit! Quote:
you said that 99.99999999999999% of Muslims are evil killers
reading comprehension isn't your strong point is it, I said 99.99999999999999% of terroism is caused my muslim (implying extremists). Lord if you're going to make a stand, at least understand what the topic is aboot. What have they contributed (the original question)? Quote:
Grow up and get real man. Why are you and so many paranoid Americans so wrapped up in your own self righteous shit. If we are not with you on foreign policy, it does not mean we are against you in the sense you make out. That is your complex - fear. Try thinking in more than 2 dimensions.
what the fuck are you babbling aboot? answer the question or remain moot. Quote:
Q: How many muslims terrorised America before America started fucking with their homelands, conning oil away and installing dictators? A: None!
do some research junior...please do some research.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Tao]
#3164556 - 09/22/04 11:58 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes but 'homicide bomber' is an idiotic redundant phrase created by fox spinsters in attempt to counter the hallowed and respected () phrase 'suicide bomber'
no, homocide bomber is what they are, Aristotilian law again, "a" is "a" things are what they are. Giving them a fluffy name doesn't make it so.
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'Homicide bombers' is akin to calling an animal a 'meat-eating carnivore'. It's inane.
not even close, bad analogy.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: retread]
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It's great, in their sick camelfucking minds, that they ....
A bit off topic here, apologies... but when you speak or post like the above example, it makes you sound like a regular on the Jerry Springer Show. (In other words, very uneducated, full of hatred and bigotry, etc...) Any valid point that you might have made has been lost because of the slang wording and vulgarities used. I understand that the topic is emotional, but falling to the level of calling others camelfuckers, ragheads, or any other stereotypical name puts you on the same level as the people spouting about infidels and evil empires.
I am not trying to call you down for this, nor am I asking you to change your wording. You didn't attack a poster, but a topic, which is all that I do ask. I just wanted to give some food for thought... if you want to be taken seriously by others.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Evolving]
#3164588 - 09/22/04 12:03 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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modern Contributions to man:
Dinosaurs: Oil Muslims: Homocide bombers, Shoe bombers, the bomb jacket, jihad, the burkha and theocracies.
wow, there sure is a lot of progressive contributions,
I also like how noone knows what they contributed or wants to change the subject. Most cultures have contributed something positive to the world in the last 100 years, how can it be that the muslim culture hasn't, I don't believe it.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
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Innvertigo said: Well? A majority (and i only use the word majority becuase 99.99999999999999999999999% of terrorism is caused by these dosile people) of terrorism is perpetuated by, yep you guessed it, muslims doing it in the name of islam and allah. We know this, it's no surprise, but what is the point of this culture? While I don't hate muslims (the average muslim who holds the beliefs that "allah" supposedly teaches, which is a small minority.) I do dind it harder and harder to understand what their goal is as a culture. The one goal I know they have is the elimination of Jews and those that are allied with them (Zionists, infedels or what other key phrases that ignorant people use) for the mere reason they aren't them. Aside from perfecting terror, killing and general unrest, what has the middle east contributed to modern day society? What inventions are they coming up with to provide it's people with an easier life? I honestly don't know. I know the culture of old came up with many inventions concerning math and science, astonomy etc. but I fail to see what they have done. One last thing, what's up with all the dancing the muslims seem to do everytime they do something they perceive as good? I mean they're just jumping up and down...weird.
Somebody call the waaaaaaambulance. *tips hat to afoaf*
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
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> I also like how noone knows what they contributed or wants to change the subject.
... I brought us back on subject... 
> Most cultures have contributed something positive to the world in the last 100 years, how can it be that the muslim culture hasn't, I don't believe it.
Most of the advances in the last 100 years are based on advanced science, which is difficult to do when you are represented by mostly 3rd world nations that are much more interested in "burning witches" than in science.
I could make a pretty strong argument that none of the advances discovered in the last 100 years would have been posible without contributions from the arab world... it is just that the arab world contributions are much older.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
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do some research junior...please do some research.
Well come on Inny lets hear it then what muslims terrorised the US before "America started fucking with their homelands, conning oil away and installing dictators?"
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Seuss]
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Seuss writes:
I could make a pretty strong argument that none of the advances discovered in the last 100 years would have been posible without contributions from the arab world... it is just that the arab world contributions are much older.
But the question is not what have arabs contributed, but what have those who follow the Religion of Peace? contributed. Mohammed was born in AD 571 and died in AD 632.
Stuff discovered by pre-Islamic Arabs isn't under discussion here.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: GazzBut]
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> what muslims terrorised the US before "America started fucking with their homelands, conning oil away and installing dictators?
... fucking with their homelands? Example please.
... conning oil away? Example please.
... installing dictators? I would have used different terminology: supported leadership which had interests that were in line with American government ideologies.
(Replied to GazzBut, but probably should have directed this back towards Inny)
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Seuss]
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I could make a pretty strong argument that none of the advances discovered in the last 100 years would have been posible without contributions from the arab world... it is just that the arab world contributions are much older.
not trying to send my topic into right field but the Mayan, Azteks and other South American cultures (Pre-Columbian)were using math, astronomy and engineering at the same time if not before the arabs were. So saying that there would be no advances would be premature.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Seuss]
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(Replied to GazzBut, but probably should have directed this back towards Inny)
I ignored his attempts to change the topic.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Seuss]
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... fucking with their homelands? Example please.
... conning oil away? Example please.
... installing dictators? I would have used different terminology: supported leadership which had interests that were in line with American government ideologies.
Are you trying to be funny?
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
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I ignored his attempts to change the topic.
Yeah right, more like you couldnt come up with any examples.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: GazzBut]
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isn't it tea time Gazz?
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society [Re: Innvertigo]
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
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Actually, Innvertigo, I need to correct you on something: The majority of Muslims do not live in the Middle East. Indonesia is the largest Muslim country in the world, and it has long prided itself on being a moderate Muslim nation. There are several other Muslim countries in Southeast Asia and Africa, and I think you'd have to factor in all these Muslims to get a clearer idea of "mainstream" Islam. I'd say the Middle East is where you tend to find the majority of Muslim extremists, which is one of the main reasons why people tend to associate Islam with that region.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Phred]
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pinksharkmark said: Seuss writes:
I could make a pretty strong argument that none of the advances discovered in the last 100 years would have been posible without contributions from the arab world... it is just that the arab world contributions are much older.
But the question is not what have arabs contributed, but what have those who follow the Religion of Peace? contributed. Mohammed was born in AD 571 and died in AD 632.
Stuff discovered by pre-Islamic Arabs isn't under discussion here.
pinky
Pre Islamic Arabs burried their female babies alive, married their mothers and sisters, and fought tribal wars while completely drunk off their rocker.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
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Your ignorance of Islam is fairly obvious. Only 18% of Muslims in the world are actually Arab. Keep tryin', kid.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
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dave chapelle is a muslim...his show is really funny
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: KingOftheThing]
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He's not a Muslim.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Zahid]
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Stein]
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We actually agree on something.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society [Re: Innvertigo]
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ESCAPING ARAB FAILURE
By RALPH PETERS
April 23, 2004 -- WE shouldn't be discouraged by the recent round of violence in Iraq. It was predictable. But there were two disheartening signs: * We should be troubled that, in this bloody month, none of the insurgents waved an alternative constitution - unless we count their perversion of the Koran. None of those violent men is fighting for freedom - they're fighting to strangle liberty in the cradle. They are, without exception, forces of reaction, not liberation, no matter how madly al-Jazeera twists the facts.
* Nor did the general Arab population or its leaders take a public stand against those who would renew their oppression. And those who will not defend their own freedom do not deserve to be defended by others.
Operation Iraqi Freedom has been, among other things, an attempt to give Arabs hope for a better future. The ultimate outcome won't be known for years, but we must prepare ourselves for the possibility that the Arabs are going to fail themselves again.
With sufficient troops, we can force Iraq's Arabs to behave. But we can't force them to succeed.
Ultimately, Iraq is not a test of the limits of American power. When necessary, we can do whatever must be done for our security and prosperity. Our use of force, in Iraq and elsewhere, has been remarkably - even foolishly - restrained.
If Iraq collapses into medieval fantasies and blood feuds, we still may be proud of having given this crippled civilization a last, great chance to heal itself. We've made mistakes, but their impact is minor compared to the unwillingness of Iraq's Arabs, Sunni or Shi'a, to build a free and civil society of their own.
In the United States, campus-generated political correctness was never more than a joke - capable of turning somber conservatives purple but unable to alter anything that matters. The far more dangerous form of political correctness is that which prevails in the dream-world of diplomacy: We pretend that all civilizations have equal merit.
But they don't. It's time to face up to the functional and moral collapse of the Arab world - if we can't describe the problem honestly, we shall never deal with it effectively.
Arab civilization has failed.
Disguised in part by the trappings of oil wealth, the Middle East has become humanity's sinkhole, less promising, if richer, than Africa. But no facade of garish hotels in the hollow states that line the Persian Gulf, and no amount of full-page advertisements funded by the Saudi government, can hide the truth any longer: The Arab Middle East has become the world's first entirely parasitical culture; all it does is to imitate poorly, consume voraciously, spit hatred, export death and create nothing.
Arab civilization offers its people no promising future, only rhetoric about a past whose achievements have been as exaggerated as they were impermanent. The present is a bloody, heartless muddle.
For all the oil wealth and expatriate university degrees, for all the hired-in expertise and Western "engagement," Arab civilization has degenerated to a point where it provides the rest of humanity nothing useful of its own design - while offering its own citizens only a culture of blame, corruption and lethargy.
It's a matter of culture, not race. In the free atmosphere of America, Arabs do as well as anyone else. All populations have their share of talent - but the oppressive environment of the Middle East enervates those individuals it does not crush entirely.
Iraq has been given a chance to break free of the thrall of a bankrupt culture, to establish a rule-of-law democratic government observant of human rights. But the chances are increasingly good that Iraq's Arabs will fail to achieve and maintain even minimal standards of good governance.
The time has not yet come, but, contrary to the sort of diplomatic wisdom that so long protected Saddam, we can walk away if Iraq's Arabs refuse to help themselves. And we can break up the country to protect the Kurds - a far better solution than turning Iraq over to the venal brokers of the United Nations.
The failure of Arab civilization in our time is the greatest such disaster in mankind's history. And, bitter though we find the proposition, the failure is so colossal that it cannot be neatly contained. Whether in Iraq today or elsewhere tomorrow, we cannot fully extract ourselves from this problem simply because our enemies won't let go.
If Iraq chooses failure, we can leave. But we'll be back, somewhere in the Middle East. Because, as we saw on 9/11, the Middle East will continue to come to us. Blame is the opium of the Arabs, and the sweetest blame for their failures is that directed at the United States (and, of course, Israel). It is our power itself, not its uses, that enrages Arabs trapped in their self-made weakness.
The oft-cited examples of the Arab world's problems, from a lack of interest in secular education and a poor work ethic to staggering corruption and the oppression of women, are symptoms, not root causes, of Arab failure. Past a certain analytical point, we come up against the wall of our own taboos - we cannot admit that the psychological premises of an entire civilization might be dysfunctional. Arab failure isn't about that which has been done to the Middle East, but that which the Middle East has done to itself.
Iraq still has a chance, if a slimmer one than we had hoped. But even if Iraq's Arabs disappoint our ambitions, our efforts will have been worthy and our losses not in vain. Intervention was unavoidable, whatever the critics say. Continued passivity in the face of the Middle East's implosion would only have made the price higher in the end.
We all would be better off were the Arabs to surprise us by building healthy, prosperous, modern societies. We would be foolish not to wish them well. But we would be equally foolish not to prepare ourselves for the consequences of their accelerating failure.
Ralph Peters is the author of "Beyond Baghdad: Postmodern War and Peace."
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Go that 15 minutes, with an open mind...you can do it!
Well I find your retorts amusing considering your original post was essentially the dressing up of a put down. In the throws of which you spend more time talking about Muslim terrorists than asking a simple question; and yet when anyone else broaches this same subject matter you deem they are going off track.
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While I don't hate muslims (the average muslim who holds the beliefs that "allah" supposedly teaches, which is a small minority.)
So the average muslim is a small minority?
Do some research man
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I do dind it harder and harder to understand what their goal is as a culture. The one goal I know they have is the elimination of Jews and those that are allied with them (Zionists, infedels or what other key phrases that ignorant people use) for the mere reason they aren't them.
'The one goal I know they have is the elimination of...'other cultures'..'for the mere reason they aren't them.' Sounds like you reading some US Administration rhetoric into Islam.
Do some research Propaganda Boy.
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What inventions are they coming up with to provide it's people with an easier life? I honestly don't know.
Comfort being the main goal of your life...no wonder your outlook is so infantile and demanding.
Well one thing they have certainly provided modern society with is a challenge, one you are rising to rather poorly.
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99.99999999999999999999999% of terrorism is caused by these dosile people
So your mainstream Muslim, who is not the average Muslim, yet is in the majority and still further yet does not belive that 'allah' teaches - these are the people doing all of this? Convoluted xenophobic bullshit or what - do some research!
hey, and ok, a mosque of 300 may not be massive by Meccan standards, but at the end of a row of terraced houses it is pretty freakin big, and a lot larget than the christian church 200m up the road.
And you beleive the Mosque's congregation are not mainstream muslims? I guess not by that convoluted way you look at the culture, fashioning it to your fears.
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Mainstrem muslims live in the middle east.
ok right. Look simpleton - go do some research. Of the 'billion or so' you quote, a lot actually live around the world. Hey are you actually trying to tell me that some wierd cult extremists live 15 mins down the road from you? No wonder you are scared. Wake up Propaganda Boy!
It seems that despite my global travels through several muslim nations, and now living in a city of nearly 20 million with a massive muslim population, and actually within a million strong district with at least a third of that being muslim. (While in the microcosm) working right next door to a mosque that towers into the sky, on streets with largly muslim owned shops and houses amongst the many faiths present.
It seems that despite this you believe I have not experienced mainstream Islam, only the minority? Do some research please! Look at the real world man, not some piped-paranoia-pulp-feed-tv.
Try to stop thinking in 2D - yes that bit from my first post that you had trouble with - it does have import.
'What have muslims contributed to modern society?'
Well modern muslims have quite clearly contributed a challenge to you, as I said, you are not doing to well on that one though.
Muslims as the larger entity reaching back into time (as in the question) have contributed many things we rely on as primary ingredients for the functioning of all modern thought and technology.
Do some research...open your eyes...turn off the TV....go down the road with an open mind- you CAN do it!
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society [Re: Great_Satan]
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oh please.....I almost cried. How noble and just the US government and military has been in its recent graciousness toward these now ungrateful Iraqis.
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from a lack of interest in secular education and a poor work ethic to staggering corruption and the oppression of women,
might as well say this about the 'West' too, of the not too distant past. Why was that ever allowed to evolve?
There are extremists on both sides of this cultural divide, today. That is more like the problem blocking a peaceful future than any one culture in itself.
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The time has not yet come, but, contrary to the sort of diplomatic wisdom that so long protected Saddam, we can walk away
Which nation entered the 'love affair' with president Saddam???
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Iraq has been given a chance to break free
Some 'chance' the US government has given this lot! Some chance! Heheheheheheheheheh
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
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C: you misquoted Gazz quite substantially I: No shit!
oh, and please try to stop deliberately misquoting people.... Putting words into their mouths, one might say, is an extremely poor tactic.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Zahid]
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Zahid said: He's not a Muslim.
yes he is... not a hard liner, but he is muslim....
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: KingOftheThing]
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Does he pray?
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: KingOftheThing]
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He is not a muslim unless zahid says he is. What have muslims contributed, please?
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: zappaisgod]
#3166460 - 09/22/04 07:19 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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What have you contributed?
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Zahid]
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I built a few houses and came up with a few ideas about how to do it. I'm petty clever for a slacker. What have several million bending-over five times a day whackadoos contributed in several hundred years? That IS the theme of this thread, not what zappaisgod has done. Feel free to pop up with something.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Well, for starters Muslims pay Alms.
What have people with your agnostic/atheist beliefs have done?
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Zahid]
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I don't have or need a "People". I am I. What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society?
This is hilarious. You can't come up with anything so you attempt to besmirch the scholar????? A rather cuntish strategy, wouldn't you say?
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: zappaisgod]
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So, only Muslims get the honor of being generalized? 
Keep trying.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Zahid]
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Just asking if all those billions of muslims have ever contributed anything to modern society. Anything at all. Come on think of something, just one thing. All of you against me and I'M WINNING.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: zappaisgod]
#3166647 - 09/22/04 07:57 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Not to be overly technical, but Muslims contributed Islam to modern society. *shruG*
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I'm STILL ahead. Actually, I think, I'm ahead further than before. Maybe Z-boy doesn't want your kind of help
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Muslim women contributed oily, camel-feces reeking ladies to society, does that count?
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: retread]
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I've oiled some women. I think I'm still ahead in the polls.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Take this into context (don't let me down): There is only one Muslim here, me - and 1.5 billion else where who I don't know; and who YOU don't know. Some personal advice (and these are not my words): Don't post in PA&L if you're drunk off your ass.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Zahid]
#3166805 - 09/22/04 08:30 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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If I tie up arab women, force them to do my bidding, and make them hide their racial nastiness, will Allah love me?
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: retread]
#3166891 - 09/22/04 08:46 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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You need fucking help.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Zahid]
#3166917 - 09/22/04 08:51 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well, lend him some rope then.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Evolving]
#3166938 - 09/22/04 08:55 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Jesus, Allah, Yhwh, anything would be good for retread.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Zahid]
#3167374 - 09/22/04 09:58 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why is it when I do it, I'm damned. Doesn't Moham require such treatment to women?
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: retread]
#3167434 - 09/22/04 10:05 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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No, Muhammad taught others to teach women with respect if they fear God.
That kind of disgusting shit you're spewing off would be punished by a painful stoning in an Islamic state.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Zahid]
#3167468 - 09/22/04 10:10 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oh yea? I don't need to go to Iran to get stoned!
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: retread]
#3167472 - 09/22/04 10:11 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Grow up.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society [Re: Innvertigo]
#3167475 - 09/22/04 10:11 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Not even gonna read this whole thread, but... What has anyone contributed to society. Shit people still die left and right for no good reason, still a lot of hate and intolerance all around. Hell america is the only industrialised nation that doesn't have national health care, the only industrialised country in the WORLD that doesn't provide basic health care for all it's citizens. That doesn't come off as very civilised.
But whatever, not gonna pick on any one country. Individuals have contributed to "society" I guess. The people who discover new medicines and other sciences that improve the quality of life. The problem is there are a lot of layers of people, government and bullshit that usually prevent those benefits from reaching everyone.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society [Re: unbeliever]
#3167548 - 09/22/04 10:22 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hell america is the only industrialised nation that doesn't have national health care...
Thank goodness! Sadly, that state of affairs is temporary. Bush's disastrous expansion of Medicare to the wrinkled is just the tip of the wedge. The US will be saddled with a Canada-style death-dealing socialized medicine system within a generation. And then there'll no longer be any place left to go to get decent medical care.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
#3168022 - 09/22/04 11:52 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Islam discovered algebra.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society [Re: retread]
#3168068 - 09/23/04 12:01 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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retread said: Muslim women contributed oily, camel-feces reeking ladies to society, does that count?
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society [Re: Phred]
#3168691 - 09/23/04 02:21 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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then there'll no longer be any place left to go to get decent medical care.
Come over to the UK, we have plenty of good medecine free and otherwise... You can pay for "the best" but if you cant afford it you dont have to worry.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: CJay]
#3168933 - 09/23/04 05:07 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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oh, and please try to deliberately misquote people.... Putting words into their mouths is great, I do it all the time, one might say, I have extremely poor tactics, but it works for me.
wow we agree on something....I have nothing to add to this.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: silversoul7]
#3168941 - 09/23/04 05:12 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Actually, Innvertigo, I need to correct you on something: The majority of Muslims do not live in the Middle East. Indonesia is the largest Muslim country in the world,
that's true, however i'm using the middle east as a genuality, from the Sudan to Afganistan and the other "Stans" in Russia.
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I'd say the Middle East is where you tend to find the majority of Muslim extremists, which is one of the main reasons why people tend to associate Islam with that region.
very true, thanks for the correction, what's funny is that i'm talking about the extremists.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Zahid]
#3168944 - 09/23/04 05:15 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Jesus, Allah, Yhwh, anything would be good for retread.
The last thing that a nutjob like retread needs is any kind of religion.
In fact it seems to me its the last thing any of us need.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Zahid]
#3168949 - 09/23/04 05:17 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Your ignorance of Islam is fairly obvious. Only 18% of Muslims in the world are actually Arab. Keep tryin', kid.
That's why my original question mentions Muslims, maybe i should write it in arabic next time (arab is a genuality junior) noone cares about the sutble differences.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: zappaisgod]
#3168951 - 09/23/04 05:20 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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What have several million bending-over five times a day whackadoos contributed in several hundred years?
That's some funny shit...I actually laughed.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Zahid]
#3168955 - 09/23/04 05:22 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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What have people with your agnostic/atheist beliefs have done?
answer the question pray boy, why are you denying the topic? If you want to know the answer to that question, feel free to start your own thread like trendle did.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Zahid]
#3168956 - 09/23/04 05:23 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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So, only Muslims get the honor of being generalized?
well if you can name another culture that hasn't contributed, feel free to add your own, to date we've only come up with one culture, that would be the muslims.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: retread]
#3168960 - 09/23/04 05:27 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Muslim women contributed oily, camel-feces reeking ladies to society, does that count
to be fair there are a lot of hot looking muslim/arabs, there are plenty that I live around that i'd hit in a second.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society [Re: unbeliever]
#3168972 - 09/23/04 05:35 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Not even gonna read this whole thread, but... What has anyone contributed to society.
there's too many to list, i'm not one of these people who falls for the "what is reality" thing. Western culture has contributed quite a bit, for example, your reading this on one of it's contributions.
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Shit people still die left and right for no good reason, still a lot of hate and intolerance all around.
sure there is, this is the reason for my post.
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Hell america is the only industrialised nation that doesn't have national health care, the only industrialised country in the WORLD that doesn't provide basic health care for all it's citizens. That doesn't come off as very civilised.
yet we're the most powerful progressive nation in the world. We're doing something right.
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But whatever, not gonna pick on any one country.
too late.
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The people who discover new medicines and other sciences that improve the quality of life. The problem is there are a lot of layers of people, government and bullshit that usually prevent those benefits from reaching everyone.
WTF are you talking aboot? Cancer research, aids research, and general medicine have reached everyone in the western culture. Those scientist have contributed tons to the world (when I say western culture i'm refering to Europe and the americas)
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
#3168977 - 09/23/04 05:37 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Islam discovered algebra
go back and read the first post in this thread, There is no doubt that the arabic people have contributed in the far past, that's why I asked about modern society. We're supposed to be civilized now.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
#3168993 - 09/23/04 05:49 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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So when you say 'contributions' are you referring to technological advancements? Again, if that is the case, it is due to islam being situated in developing 3rd world nations, not due to the religion. We can extrapolate this from the trend that no 3rd world non-industrialized developing countries really contribute to technological advancements with possible exceptions of contributing native plant species for medicine (which brings up the question, is Madagascar muslim? they contributed the rosy periwinkle flower for lukemia recovery).
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Tao]
#3168999 - 09/23/04 05:56 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Again, if that is the case, it is due to islam being situated in developing 3rd world nations, not due to the religion.
Indonesia is not a 3rd world country, neither is Saudi Arabia, Egypt, etc. I'm not too picky on the contributions, anything will do. Have they helped with medicine, positive social change, inventions, cultural influences (minus homocide bombers)
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: zappaisgod]
#3169011 - 09/23/04 06:10 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I built a few houses and came up with a few ideas about how to do it. I'm petty clever for a slacker.
The Muslims of the world have built more houses and many greater more impressive buildings than one can shake a stick at. I'm sure to do all that they must have had a few ideas how to....
Pretty clever for:
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: CJay]
#3169025 - 09/23/04 06:20 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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The Muslims of the world have built more houses and many greater more impressive buildings than one can shake a stick at
really? modern buildings?
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
#3169026 - 09/23/04 06:21 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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There you go again - obviously lying (consistently and deliberately quoting untruly)is your forte.
Man maybe you should join a debating society and perhaps they can introduce you to the art.
Very poor, very very poor, very very very poor.
Keep on putting words in peoples mouths, false words that are your words, stops you having to consider any alternate realities doesn't it?
Why even ask someone elses opinion? You might as well talk to yourself.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society [Re: Innvertigo]
#3169028 - 09/23/04 06:26 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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yet we're the most powerful progressive nation in the world. We're doing something right.
....the most powerful maybe....or at least the most armed.
The most progressive....not these days bud
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: CJay]
#3169029 - 09/23/04 06:27 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Innvertigo, you are the best and I want to hang out with you
thanks, you're not too bad yourself.
(this will continue until you learn readin comprehension)
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
#3169032 - 09/23/04 06:29 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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go back and read the first post in this thread, There is no doubt that the arabic people have contributed in the far past, that's why I asked about modern society. We're supposed to be civilized now.
Your question was: What have Muslims contributed to modern society.
I'd say that algebra has been extremely important - modern society's scientists and mathmeticians would be lost without it
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
#3169034 - 09/23/04 06:30 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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That mosque next door to my workplace is pretty modern my man. Double glazed and all.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: CJay]
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wow, one mosque? that's absolutly fascinating. I wonder what Italian contractor built it?
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
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You don't even know who you are repliying to - You are the one who need comprehension practice
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Innvertigo, you are the best and I want to hang out with you
Who said that? Why did you put it in quotes?
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: CJay]
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sarcasm identification is not your strong point is it?
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: GazzBut]
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GazzBut writes:
The last thing that a nutjob like retread needs is any kind of religion.
GazzBut, you know the rules of this forum. As a matter of fact, you admitted to a "fair cop" when I busted you for rules violation less than a week ago. Calling a poster a "nutjob" is a flame. Flaming isn't allowed in the forum.
Can you give me a reason I shouldn't recommend you for a banning?
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
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pretty funny, I have to admit, but when I look around I see foreign contractors and poorly paid sweatshop workers making most of the stuff that gets used around here - for people of all creeds. It's a pretty funny situation all around.
And actually, I saw the Mosque built, it was pretty recent, only a year ago. Strangley it was swarming with Muslims the whole time.
Personally I think 'religion is the downfall of man' - monotheistic religion being particularly bad.
Actually any cultural over-fixation is nastily detrimental. Culture is a way of dealing with local conditions in a local time. However people in general have trouble seeing any relativity. That is a major problem all around, species shortsightedness.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
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whit is not yours is it
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
#3169049 - 09/23/04 06:46 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society?
Awnser :
http://www.geocities.com/mutmainaa/history/muslim_inventors.html
Google is your friend, no need to ask such a simple question with google as you aid.
Unless of course you just wanted 6 pages of drivel to read.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: CJay]
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pretty funny, I have to admit, but when I look around I see foreign contractors and poorly paid sweatshop workers making most of the stuff that gets used around here - for people of all creeds. It's a pretty funny situation all around.
I have an Italian contractor friend that drives a Ferrari, so he's paid pretty good.
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Personally I think 'religion is the downfall of man' - monotheistic religion being particularly bad.
Absolutly, all religions are under fire because of fundamentalists, that includes Christians, Hindus, islam and other major beliefs. The only exception concerning islam is that it appears to be supported by the majority since you have people like Zihad validating murderers. The average muslims of the world should be ashamed of what these people have done to their religion.
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Actually any cultural over-fixation is nastily detrimental. Culture is a way of dealing with local conditions in a local time. However people in general have trouble seeing any relativity.
Relativity should never be used when that relativity is concerning murder, murder is what it is.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
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Relativity should never be used when that relativity is concerning murder, murder is what it is.
So there is no difference between a suicide bomber killing civillians and a US soldier killing civillians?
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: GazzBut]
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context my man, please learn it. Have you come up with any contributions muslims have made? (you've been awfully quiet) You've had a full day to think aboot it.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
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I was not implying that Italian contractors (and foreign contractors in general) are paid a pittance. They are certainly not around here either.
The stuff that comes from sweatshops (like most of the trainers from Muslim Indonesia)is however in that bracket, hence my coupling an adjective to 'sweatshop' and using that word in the first place.
Basically what I found funny 'all around' is that someone from somewhere outside the locality generally makes most of what any modern culture consumes.
When I spoke of relativity, I did not mean in terms of murder. I meant that what might be a useful cultural prerogative at one time, is certainly far from it another.
As for methods and numbers of murders, killing, and maiming - so far none on the planet has perfected and achieved this in any way as great a fashion as the moderns.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
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Have you come up with any contributions muslims have made?
How about the greatest sportsman of all time?
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Loki]
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Loki said: Unless of course you just wanted 6 pages of drivel to read.
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The_Red_Crayon said: Islam discovered algebra.
Shiek Arafat has 19 kilos of C4. He has 10 11 year old boys brainwashed to have the C4 strapped to them. If each of the 10 children gets 3 kilos of C4 strapped to them, how much more C4 would Hamas need to purchase to ensure that each child becomes a martyr.
Mohammed has 8 wives. One wife upset him by not wearing her Burkha and walking behind him 3 yards in public. If he beheads her, what percetange of his wivery did he execute?
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math is fun...
I'll ask again to all those who may have missed the question. What contributions has the muslim culture made to modern society. Please keep all contributions to society within the last couple hundered years ago since we are now civilized people.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
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Sadly, I expected more from you.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Zahid]
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I don't really expect much from you at all. Tell me, what has your culture brought the world? What positive aspects have muslims used to further humans as a whole?
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
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Innvertigo said: Indonesia is not a 3rd world country, neither is Saudi Arabia, Egypt, etc. I'm not too picky on the contributions, anything will do. Have they helped with medicine, positive social change, inventions, cultural influences (minus homocide bombers)
http://www.aneki.com/Developing_Countries.html (Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, etc.) Though I don't know why I'm even bothering to respond to you, I'm sure you'll just talk out of your ass again and make shit up or throw out unfounded assumptions/generalizations.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Tao]
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Though I don't know why I'm even bothering to respond to you, .
Yet you do, why?
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I'm sure you'll just talk out of your ass again and make shit up or throw out unfounded assumptions/generalizations.
Then this is a great opportunity for you to clear up these assumptions and generalizations, if you can.
What was the purpose of that link? It was as useless as your replies.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
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Yet you do, why?
Like I just said, I do not know why. It is a mystery.
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What was the purpose of that link?
To demonstrate to you that clearly you do not know the definition of "developing" or "3rd World" nation.
Here's a quick lesson:
1st World = United States, Canada, Western Europe, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Israel and Japan.
2nd World = Former communist nations
3rd World = All others.
Oh and "Developing Countries" = PC term for "3rd World Countries"
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
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And to answer your original question of this thread, what have they contributed? Again, like Loki, I recommend a website.
There you will find links like:
http://www.byegm.gov.tr/YAYINLARIMIZ/newspot/2003/july-aug/n7.htm
"Prof. Ali Erdemir stated that his invention may be viewed as an artificial diamond and has the same properties as a real diamond. The invention can be used in several ways, from the storage of hydrogen and other gases to long-term usage of materials in space modules."
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Tao]
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To demonstrate to you that clearly you do not know the definition of "developing" or "3rd World" nation.
Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Indonesia aren't third world countries. Who determines this? I've been to Egypt and Saudi Arabia and while they're not as prosperous as other countries, they aren't 3rd world countries. Etheopia, Somalia and Uganda are 3rd world countries, but I digress from the original question. What have muslims contributed to modern society?
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1st World = United States, Canada, Western Europe, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Israel and Japan.
2nd World = Former communist nations
3rd World = All others.
Oh and "Developing Countries" = PC term for "3rd World Countries"
that's a pretty broad definition I wonder how Brazil feels about being called a third world country, also South Africa. You might want to update your list. But I digress from the original question. What have muslims contributed to modern society?
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Tao]
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to date these are the contributions to society by the muslim culture. I did ask for "Muslim contributions" in the generic sense so the score is:
1 positive contribution: "imitation diamonds"** 6 negative: Homocide bombers, Shoe bombers, the bomb jacket, jihad, the burkha,, women's rights
** "Prof. Ali Erdemir stated that his invention may be viewed as an artificial diamond and has the same properties as a real diamond. The invention can be used in several ways, from the storage of hydrogen and other gases to long-term usage of materials in space modules." Prof. Erdemir also noted that he developed this technology with Prof. Michael McNalian of Illinois University and Prof. Yury Gogotsi of Drexsel University.
you forgot the last part of the quote, but i'm sure it was an accident. This is an amazing discovery even though the discovery was made using western facilities and equipment.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
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Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Indonesia aren't third world countries. Who determines this? I've been to Egypt and Saudi Arabia and while they're not as prosperous as other countries, they aren't 3rd world countries. Etheopia, Somalia and Uganda are 3rd world countries,
Ah, okay. See, when I was referring to '3rd world developing countries', I was referring to the generally accepted term used in comparative politics, separating industrialized, non-industrialized and former communist countries from each other, not the 'arbitrary-Innvertigo-based-on-a-few-personal-travels' definition. Sorry for the mix-up.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Tao]
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Ah, okay. See, when I was referring to '3rd world developing countries', I was referring to the generally accepted term used in comparative politics, separating industrialized, non-industrialized and former communist countries from each other, not the 'arbitrary-Innvertigo-based-on-a-few-personal-travels' definition. Sorry for the mix-up.
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1st World = United States, Canada, Western Europe, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Israel and Japan.
2nd World = Former communist nations
3rd World = All others.
Oh and "Developing Countries" = PC term for "3rd World Countries"
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that's a pretty broad definition I wonder how Brazil feels about being called a third world country, also South Africa.
Another fine example of your reading comprehension skills and the care with which you read people's posts. A+ for you!
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Tao]
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3rd World = All others.
What about Brazil? Or were they once communist?
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Tao]
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There has to be one more positive thing the muslims have contributed. I mean there's 1.5 billion of them and you managed to find one. I'm not saying that they haven't, rather i'm saying that I don't know, I need you bright minds to enlighten me. You have the floor, make the case. Have they contributed to human rights? I'd guess no, how about women's rights? Are they willing to be part of the global ecomony or global community?
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
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3rd World = All others.
What about Brazil? Or were they once communist?
I lived in Brazil for half a year. It is FAR different from an industrialized country. Perhaps downtown rio and sao paulo seem industrialized, but other than that...
Brazil is close to being industrialized, but regardless this has fuck-all to do with the point: The fact that Muslim nations have not contributed as much to advance modern society is due more to their being developing countries rather than their individual religion/culture.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Tao]
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Brazil is close to being industrialized, but regardless this has fuck-all to do with the point:
wow we agree on something, your points have "fuck-all" to do with the question being asked, yet you continue to babble on. I merely asked a question and noone has supplied me with even one example. You, admittedly, have provided one that qualifies under the question I asked even though he wasn't the sole person who invented it. Quote:
Perhaps downtown rio and sao paulo seem industrialized, but other than that...
have you been to some area of the United States like Arkansas and Mississippi? They would qualify for 3rd world. Point being is that 3rd world status presumes that these countries are poor. Quote:
The fact that Muslim nations have not contributed as much to advance modern society is due more to their being developing countries rather than their individual religion/culture.
Could it possibly be that it is there religion that is holding them from being a positive mark of modern society? and from advancing into a higher level country?
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Innvertigo said: There has to be one more positive thing the muslims have contributed.
The Hookah.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
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civilised......you mean industrialised. There have been civilisations on Earth for a lot longer than 200 years. And no religion in itself has contributed anything since the times of industrialisation. Industrialisation and technology promote secular power, a no-no for true religion I would think. (Of course the diamond type thing, and others have come from across the board of religions - but this is usually seen as playing God by the core of monotheistic religion, by any monotheistic religion. It is frowned upon as questioning the power, completeness and just law of the supreme and tyrannical Father...) However the rich industrial nations rely on cheap Muslim (and Hindu and Christian, and a hella lot Chinese) labour to make most of their stuff. That is certainly a hearty contribution to modern life, if a dubious one on the part of Modern businesses which delight in the oppression that keeps profits up. Contributions from the heart of any religious culture to modern life were all made long ago, and form the fundamental blocks and precursors needed by modern society to carry on its way. But contributions to modern life they certainly are. It is not a case that Muslims have contributed nothing, yet all the other world religions have massively influenced invention etc. They are all on the same playing field. None is any lower or higher than the other.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Evolving]
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The Hookah
that's a good one. When I was on guard duty in Saudi arabia (1991) the Saudi guards were smoking something out of them, my buddy and I asked if we could have a hit but they wouldn't let us. It was about 2-3 feet tall. So I stand corrected they do contribute to society and directly affect me. Nice find.
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civilised......you mean industrialised.
no, I mean civilized, that's why I wrote civilized. Quote:
They are all on the same playing field. None is any lower or higher than the other.
I agree, I never said any one religion or group of people is better than the other rather some groups have provided the world with positive influences while others haven't either as much or at all.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
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What has your culture brought to the world?
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Zahid]
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you're using it right now.
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you're using it right now....(echo)
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What am I using? The internet? Great, you have Al Gore... he happens to believe his culture has lost its way.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Zahid]
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don't forget aboot the computer and the information boom thereafter.
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Great, you have Al Gore... he happens to believe his culture has lost its way
A. Al Gore never invented the internet b. Al Gore is a dipshit.
what has your culture provided us with? Besides suffering.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Zahid]
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I'm only going to put down a couple corrections to "your" *sniker* tripod site
The invention of the telescope (not a recent discovery)
Zihad says: Abul Hasan is distinguished as the inventor of the Telescope, which he described to be a ?Tube, to the extremities of which were attached diopters".
Correction:
Galileo Galilei, an Italian scientist, made the first telescope.
Who invented soap?
Zihad says: The credit for manufacturing soap goes to Arab chemists, who introduced it to the world.
Correction: The credit for manufacturing soap goes to the Romans, who introduced it to the world.
Zihad says: Mir Fatehullah Khan is known to history as the inventor of gun and gunpowder.
False, it was the chinese.
That web site is not only rediculous but insults those that actually invented those things and many others. It's laughable at best. That was a sad attempt. All you have to do is type in "who invented "x"" and you'd get your answer.
With all that aside, if you've been reading this thread, you'd know that I was asking about modern society since we are civilized people. There is no doubt that arabs contributed back in the day to set up what we are doing today, however, back then they didn't terrorize the world.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
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Sources, please.
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Take your time.
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clicky 1 clicky 2 clicky 3
I thought it was obvious but apparantly for you it wasn't.
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Direct sources please,
not links to search engines.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Zahid]
#3175232 - 09/24/04 01:45 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Those are direct sources. Like em or not. if you choose not to click on the hundreds of links pointing to the same answer then that's your problem. we learned those 3 things in grade school, i could probably go through your *snicker* tripod site and discount many of those discoveries but that would take me off topic. What modern contributions has your culture made? oh, that's right you live in Canada, so that would be your culture. You probably can't even play hockey..ha
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
#3175244 - 09/24/04 01:49 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm still waiting on your sources.
And my culture is definately not Canadian.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Zahid]
#3175267 - 09/24/04 01:54 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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your culture is Canadian. Canadians have contributed a lot to society to move it forward. If I was you, i'd be proud of the Canadian culture.
why wait, they're 2 posts up. click on clicky 1 then click on the 1st link and presto! you have your source (then click on the hundreds of other links if you think that one is a fluke (it seems everytime I do a search on muslim contributions that same website comes up, hmm makes ya wonder)
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
#3175286 - 09/24/04 01:58 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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So, any Muslim in Canada immediately abandons his Muslim culture? I don't think so. I am not a nationalist. Nationalism is a frowned upon by any practicing Muslim. As far as I'm concerned I'm just a mumeen (Believer) living amongst the Kaffirs.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Zahid]
#3175323 - 09/24/04 02:06 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Fair enough, however I'd much rather be a kaffir directing my own life then a religious sheep following a fairy tale. For each his own I suppose.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
#3175342 - 09/24/04 02:09 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Zahid]
#3175349 - 09/24/04 02:10 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dude, you're a white, 19-year-old kid from Canada who was raised Christian. You had no Muslim culture to lose.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: silversoul7]
#3175390 - 09/24/04 02:21 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm not white (I'm part Lebanese-Indian and Anglo Saxon), I'm not 19, and I wasn't raised a Christian.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Zahid]
#3175403 - 09/24/04 02:23 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Either you're lying now or were lying before(or you just lie consistently).
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: silversoul7]
#3175422 - 09/24/04 02:27 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lied about what?
I am mostly white because my father was part Lebanese and Indian while my mother was completely Anglo Saxon.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Zahid]
#3175518 - 09/24/04 02:48 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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So did you covert after your car accident? Or were you already Muslim and you just had some sort of awakening?
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Gijith]
#3175561 - 09/24/04 02:55 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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The later, and previous I guess. My parents are not very religious and never raised me as such.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Zahid]
#3175577 - 09/24/04 02:58 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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So are you REALLY Islamic, or are you like a white kid that listens to rap, has dreads, and thinks that hes a black gangsta, g?
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: retread]
#3175586 - 09/24/04 03:00 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have Arab blood in me, does that constitute as 'Islamic'?
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society [Re: Zahid]
#3175988 - 09/24/04 04:51 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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No, that makes you an arab.
I find it funny though that you live in a western nation which the middle east deems evil.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society [Re: Innvertigo]
#3175994 - 09/24/04 04:52 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I was born here.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society [Re: Zahid]
#3176003 - 09/24/04 04:55 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I figured you'd want to travel to mecca the first chance you could afford a ticket.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society [Re: Innvertigo]
#3176008 - 09/24/04 04:56 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have already been.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society [Re: Zahid]
#3176043 - 09/24/04 05:05 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I bet that was a fun-packed vacation
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society [Re: Innvertigo]
#3176057 - 09/24/04 05:09 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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It was spiritual. I began to cry when I saw the Kaaba, alhamdulillah.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society [Re: Zahid]
#3176064 - 09/24/04 05:10 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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not surprising, you do seem like one to cry at the drop of a hat....or turpin.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society [Re: Innvertigo]
#3176073 - 09/24/04 05:13 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Innvertigo, I cried because the soothing light of Allah enveloped my heart when I saw the Kaaba. Everyone was teary, and everyone was constantly wiping their eyes. We are Allah's slaves.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society [Re: Zahid]
#3176086 - 09/24/04 05:15 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Innvertigo, I cried because the soothing light of Allah enveloped my heart when I saw the Kaaba. Everyone was teary, and everyone was constantly wiping their eyes. We are Allah's slaves.
Slaves being the appropriate word. The only reason they cried is because they're too brainwashed to see reality.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society [Re: Innvertigo]
#3176096 - 09/24/04 05:17 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm not here to argue theology.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society [Re: Zahid]
#3176198 - 09/24/04 05:49 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Are you here to address the point of the thread? Got any examples of contributions to modern society made by Islam or by Muslims?
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society [Re: Phred]
#3176208 - 09/24/04 05:52 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I already went through this.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society [Re: Zahid]
#3176236 - 09/24/04 06:01 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Then give additional examples or move on. Stay on topic for a change.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society [Re: Phred]
#3176249 - 09/24/04 06:05 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Poke your green pitch fork elsewhere, you always intervene when the bickering has already ended. I was pretty much done with this thread until you came in.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society [Re: Zahid]
#3176341 - 09/24/04 06:32 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Zahid, it looks like that link you provided was full of lies - typical.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society [Re: Innvertigo]
#3176353 - 09/24/04 06:35 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Seems Zahid has the right idea about his religion--I respect that
Invertigo upon reading all your responses i discovered something about you...but i'll refrain from saying it because it will dictate the way you respond to it
oh and a link yes---http://rds.yahoo.com/S=2766679/K=arab+contributions+to+society/v=2/SID=w/TID=E168_130/l=WS1/R=9/H=0/IPC=us/SHE=0/SIG=125iseuip/*-http%3A//www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/980422/1998042208.html
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society [Re: Evolving]
#3176373 - 09/24/04 06:39 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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You gonna hiss all day, or are you going to pounce?
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society [Re: Zahid]
#3176512 - 09/24/04 07:15 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I thought you were "pretty much done". Apparently not.
*click*
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