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OfflineHamurabi
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no need to pasteurize! just nuke!
    #3158995 - 09/21/04 06:45 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

hello guys a few days ago i tried to pasteurize poo for my first time and i failed because my poo got infected with mold:-(
and it stopped colonising at 50% after 15 days!

now i said... what the hell... and i nuked my poo in the microwave for 10 minutes.
Now it is 80-85% colonised with just healthy mycelium:-)

So if i will succeed finally i think that i will always nuke any more and not pasteurize!

just to share my thought


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Re: no need to pasteurize! just nuke! [Re: Hamurabi]
    #3159331 - 09/21/04 11:57 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Here's a little tip. The reason a lot of people use poo is because of all the nutrients it has. These nutrients tend to cause your shrooms to be nice and potent. Now even though it is growing, your poo is probably pretty low on nutes cause you microwaved it. So if you were using poo for a nice potency jump, too bad. If you were just in it for bulk, have fun.


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Re: no need to pasteurize! just nuke! [Re: Dark_Raider]
    #3160113 - 09/21/04 03:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

how does microwaving destroy nutrients? if that were the case, microwaving vegetables and other things would just kill all the value in the food. i think this is a stinky pile of you know what...


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Re: no need to pasteurize! just nuke! [Re: ZeroArmy27]
    #3160967 - 09/21/04 06:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

anyone else to tell us if this is true about the nutrients or not?


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Re: no need to pasteurize! just nuke! [Re: Hamurabi]
    #3160975 - 09/21/04 06:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

ur heating up the spores and the psylocybin and the psylocin, i think ur fuckin with potency.


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Re: no need to pasteurize! just nuke! [Re: Hamurabi]
    #3160981 - 09/21/04 06:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

wait sorry im an idiot, stoned....lol


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Re: no need to pasteurize! just nuke! [Re: lsdwanted]
    #3161052 - 09/21/04 07:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

lol
i nuked just the poo not the colonised/colonising poo

any inputs please on this>?


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Re: no need to pasteurize! just nuke! [Re: Hamurabi]
    #3161066 - 09/21/04 07:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I would say the only risk of microwaving poo comes from contaminates not loss of nutrients. Pasteurization occurs at very specific temperatures (if the temps get too high the poo can sterilize, causing bacterial bloom) so winging it with a microwave can only be risky at best.

But I may be wrong. Good luck.


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Re: no need to pasteurize! just nuke! [Re: MycoCat]
    #3161185 - 09/21/04 07:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i wish that you are wrong:-) hehe

so, the sterilizination of the poo works? or it destroyes the nutrients or sth?


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Re: no need to pasteurize! just nuke! [Re: Hamurabi]
    #3161199 - 09/21/04 07:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

If you let the poo get too hot it will sterilize, which then causes a risk for bacterial bloom. So basically you're at a much higher risk for contamination if you do not pasteurize the poo correctly (the poo cannot get above 185?F).

If you can get access to an oven, the Oven Bag Pasteurization Pictorial is easy: http://www.shroomery.org/index/par/23705


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Re: no need to pasteurize! just nuke! [Re: Hamurabi]
    #3161465 - 09/21/04 08:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You can check out these posts. He seems to be having good results with microwaving poo.

Here

and

Here



Also, have you tried this with straw? I would be interested to see if this works with straw as well.


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Re: no need to pasteurize! just nuke! [Re: Hamurabi]
    #3161532 - 09/21/04 08:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

No actually microwaving doesn't destroy hardly any nutrients at all. I read somewhere that its one of the best methods to not lose nutrients in your vegetables, and the way that destroys the most is steaming. Probably because the nutrients get lost in the water which isn't used.

All microwaving does is heat up the water molecules in the substance, not the actual substance so if anything damages the nutrients it would be the heat.


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Re: no need to pasteurize! just nuke! [Re: Worf]
    #3164476 - 09/22/04 01:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Steaming is the BEST way to cook vegetables and anyone with a girlfriend with an eating disorder who has seen many nutrionalists will tell you that. Microwaving is also good for vege's too though, your right about that. Its just that when steamed vege's arent in the water so the nutes and vitamins cant go into the water, you are thinking of boiling (the way that destroys the most vitamins, doesnt even destroy either, it just goes into the water)

Myco's right, its not nutes you kill, its the helpful bacteria that fight off contams. Id bet you got lucky but I dont think that it could be considered tried and true yet at all until you can repeat the process everytime with different kinds of shit (different kinds of poo, not just different shit :smile: )


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Re: no need to pasteurize! just nuke! [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3164767 - 09/22/04 02:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I dunno about all that killin' of nutes, but I've learned in several chem classes that an increase in temperature just speeds up the rate of reaction. I guess you could consider it a catalyst (technically it's not).


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